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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.23 05:15:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 23/02/2006 05:15:30 Over the course of a few weeks ive raided a number of sevens facilities and in the process found approximately 110 slaves not particularly wanting them to die in cold hard vacume, i naturally scooped them into my cargo hold and brought them back to the caldari navy station in maurasi. I sort of expected them to drift off once there, but it appears they lacked the skill nesscarry to survive in caldari society most of them are illiterate, some are barely capable of comprehending simple arithmatic i told them they could stay in my hangar as long as they kept it clean (i think they misinterpreted what i meant, i meant dont make the hangar more of a mess then it was, they actually got to work cleaning it up) Despite how clean my hangar now is, i would much rather have these folks going on their way
I personally find slavery sooo..... inefficent I would much rather not hand them back to slave traders in the hopes that the amarr will get a hint and choose a more effective mode of production I cant just kick them out, they would wind up as black market bio mass within a week if i did that
really they arent taking much initiative (i suppose its sort of darwinian, those that had initiative probably were eighter killed, or ran off to join the matari) ive got some food, water, shelter (albiet in the form of containers) and some vitoc antidote. but really they got to go can anyone help me?
I'd settle for getting them out of my hangar, but i would much rather get some ISK for it ---------------------
In 0.0 your gang rapes carebears In Soviet ASCN space, carebears gang rapes YOU!! |
Captain Sulaco
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Posted - 2006.02.23 05:36:00 -
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Whilst these unfortunate souls are in your charge could you prehaps ask then if they have anyone with basic computer interface skills. If so please have them clean up your Galnet signature, its filthy and disgusting.
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Herman Letchenstein
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Posted - 2006.02.23 05:42:00 -
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Perhaps you you should get them out of the system. They are nothing but trouble and shuld be expatriatied. Oh my, the trouble you are causing to the state. Eject them imediately.
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Masc Suiza
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Posted - 2006.02.23 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Sulaco Edited by: Captain Sulaco on 23/02/2006 05:48:51
Whilst these unfortunate souls are in your charge could you prehaps ask then if they have anyone with basic computer interface skills. If so please have them clean up your Galnet signature, its filthy and disgusting.
What he said, its outrageous, regarding the slaves. contact the U'K or similar organisation and no doubt they will be happy to repatriate them for you. Either that or undertake to intergrate them into society in situ, through hypno training and intensive education programmes to teach them a trade from which they can get gainfull employment. After all work = wages, wage = taxes, taxes = benefit to the state as a whole. Plus it is you humanitarian duty to keep them in an enviroment where the use of soap is expected not punished
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.23 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 23/02/2006 05:53:15 Edited by: Culmen on 23/02/2006 05:49:29
Originally by: Captain Sulaco Whilst these unfortunate souls are in your charge could you prehaps ask then if they have anyone with basic computer interface skills. If so please have them clean up your Galnet signature, its filthy and disgusting.
ill have you know that this signature is a reference to the famed political satirist Yakov Smirnoff Though i do adimit, i should probably change it before ISD notices ---------------------
In low sec CLS kills greifers In Soviet ASCN space, CLS kills YOU!! |
Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2006.02.23 06:42:00 -
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You can keep them around for a while and wait until your agent or that of a friend of yours finds time to organize a return to society for them. Whenever I liberate a group of slaves, I try to explain to them that they are free and what this entails, but sadly they have been so brainwashed that most of them just nod and sit in my hangar. I will never sell them - it is wrong to benefit from the suffering of another human being.
((OOCly, you could "trash" the item and claim you released them. Apart from that, there are sometimes agent offers that demand slaves, either to free them or in exchange for some other item.))
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.02.23 07:03:00 -
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The Glamour Syndicate runs a slave rehabilitation program.
The Ushra'Khan I'm sure have something to that effect also.
I suggest you research both entities thoroughly however, perhaps make contact, and form your own judgements about them and their programs suitability.
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.23 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
((OOCly, you could "trash" the item and claim you released them. Apart from that, there are sometimes agent offers that demand slaves, either to free them or in exchange for some other item.))
((actually trashing would be more kicking out of hangar, then releasing)) ---------------------
In low sec CLS kills greifers In Soviet ASCN space, CLS kills YOU!! |
Kade Jeekin
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Posted - 2006.02.23 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 23/02/2006 11:20:34 Evemail me as to location and I will come and pick the guys up and bring them to Matari space. Either that or I will add you to my address book and PM you when we are both available.
Thank you for freeing them. However, there can be no ISK reward, as this will just encourage piracy and corruption.
When their mind has also been freed, I will ask if any of them wish to work with you in the Caldari state.
Please do check the credentials of anyone who offers to "take them off your hands"
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.02.23 11:43:00 -
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I offer 750 ISK per unit, no delivery required. They will be re-integrated into society as is befitting for them. A proper job, sheltering and food will be provided in the Epitoth Fleetyards, where they will be employed for undemanding, mundane tasks. No cultural shock, no danger of them becoming victims of unscrupulous Gallente drug dealers or other criminals.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2006.02.23 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen
*snipped a lot of moronic babble*
I'd settle for getting them out of my hangar, but i would much rather get some ISK for it
Use the market then, you utter idiot, and make a profit. ----------------------------------------------
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Rukkal
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:06:00 -
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Gaius, I am appalled at your response. Slavery is a terrible injustice and the Amaar are monsterous to continue its practice. To suggest making a profit off of their misery is callous, and at best cruel. I wish Culmen the best in finding a positive solution to finding a new home to those he has rescued.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.02.23 20:25:00 -
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I had some slaves staying with me for awhile, and they seemed to like it once they found the livestock and crates of dairy products and other food, but sadly, they had to be let go., along with a few of the homeless and Marines that were with me. I see some of the slaves every now and then on different stations in Hageken, Vurorrasi, and Uososukko. Many of them are security on there, most likely due to the Marines I had employed, teaching them what they knew.
I always get a good feeling when I see them. Hard working, making a new life for themselves. It's just a shame that many of their comrades were likely killed in the fights in which I found them among the survivors.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve... This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.23 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 23/02/2006 20:42:14 remind me NOT to let them hang around the exotic dancers too much... /me shudders ---------------------
In low sec CLS kills greifers In Soviet ASCN space, CLS kills YOU!! |
Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.02.24 00:55:00 -
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Personally, I space anyone I pick up that cannot pay their way. Actually, technically, I don't pick them up in the first place. I just leave all the non-paying cargo in the cannister I found them in.
Cargo hauling costs money. Not to mention when it comes to slaves, the Caldari Navy never buys the line, "I was going to free them as soon as I docked!"
I do mark the cannister, in case someone else wants to take the economic loss. Junk I think... ---
Karl Mattar LT, CAIN
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Masc Suiza
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Posted - 2006.02.24 01:10:00 -
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Slavery is a diplorable industry, imagine an entire workforce not paying taxes...*shudders*
The reason the Caldari State is the most economically successful and stable is because we strive to get what you pay for. I routinely free slaves, and then offer them paid employment suitble to their skills. Alot of my personal security officers are Matari, they are loyal, faithful, and obey my orders as they would the word of God, what more can a commander ask of her troops?
Midshipman Suiza
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2006.02.24 02:04:00 -
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Well economicly it's better to have them become productive members of any soceity. If former slaves get well paid jobs they will want to spend their ISK on goods. Offcourse that is a good financial injection into the economical structure. There will be some that take up arms and go join the struggle against the Amarr Empire or just the slaverunners in them. That can't be helped unfortunatly.
On the bright side however. a podpilot more in space means another bigger custumer for ships, modules and ammunition.
So you see. A free slave is economically more interesting then just a slave. A slve is held under deplorable conditions and thus not being able to buy the somewhat more expensive products.
So my suggestion is to just hand them over to the Ushra Khan so they can become productive mebers of soceity and at some point start buying goods and increasing wallets all over the place.
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.24 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Masc Suiza Edited by: Masc Suiza on 23/02/2006 06:18:48 Plus it is you humanitarian duty to keep them in an enviroment where the use of soap is expected not punished
Think about the kind of buisness opertunities that would be opened to the state soup industry if the amarr were to end slavery i seriously doubt the fruity smelling/skin softening gallente soap can cope with the kind of filth thats built up over the years It will take the strength of caldari soap to clense the universe! ---------------------
In low sec CLS kills greifers In Soviet ASCN space, CLS kills YOU!! |
Luigi Thirty
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Posted - 2006.02.24 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: Luigi Thirty on 24/02/2006 03:51:56 What about Amarr soap? You pray and pray and hope it works.
I can't stand the stuff.
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Herman Letchenstein
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Posted - 2006.02.24 09:23:00 -
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Again I must reinterate. I hate to dissagree with my fellow Caldari but, freed slaves have no place here. They are lazy and unproductive. They are nothing but trouble to the state. They bring in diseases, drugs, and basically lower Caldari morals. For a fee I could find someone to expatriate them away from here. I find this whole transmission upsetting.
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Niccolado Starwalker
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 23/02/2006 05:15:30 Over the course of a few weeks ive raided a number of sevens facilities and in the process found approximately 110 slaves not particularly wanting them to die in cold hard vacume, i naturally scooped them into my cargo hold and brought them back to the caldari navy station in maurasi. I sort of expected them to drift off once there, but it appears they lacked the skill nesscarry to survive in caldari society most of them are illiterate, some are barely capable of comprehending simple arithmatic i told them they could stay in my hangar as long as they kept it clean (i think they misinterpreted what i meant, i meant dont make the hangar more of a mess then it was, they actually got to work cleaning it up) Despite how clean my hangar now is, i would much rather have these folks going on their way
I personally find slavery sooo..... inefficent I would much rather not hand them back to slave traders in the hopes that the amarr will get a hint and choose a more effective mode of production I cant just kick them out, they would wind up as black market bio mass within a week if i did that
really they arent taking much initiative (i suppose its sort of darwinian, those that had initiative probably were eighter killed, or ran off to join the matari) ive got some food, water, shelter (albiet in the form of containers) and some vitoc antidote. but really they got to go can anyone help me?
I'd settle for getting them out of my hangar, but i would much rather get some ISK for it
Personally I find the need of slaves increasing. I am always of need of human animals to exersice my experiments. As a scientist I find it way easier to experiment on slaves then on rats, since the slaves are able to give feedback as a result. Makes my day easier to draw up my research notes you know.
This is part of the reason why I had to leave the university in the first place. UiC did not approve my research, even if it gave a success beyond anyone else at the university!!
I tell you this! Never let feelings go between you and your research and experiments! If you do, you wont get anything done, you get no results to show to your investors, and as a final conclusion: No Money
So stick to the slaves!! Theres always use for em!
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Gaius Maxentius
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:11:00 -
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Quote: So stick to the slaves!! Theres always use for em!
Indeed, I have found unwanted slaves are quite suitable for target practice. They make excellent mobile targets and are both challenging and entertaining--much better than those lifeless computer generated targets that have no incentive to evade. And, as a bonus, the productivity of my herd increases ten fold after a practice session. You really should try it--it is most exhilarating.
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Rukkal
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:43:00 -
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Herman, I found your sentiments... disturbing at best. While perhaps not of the highest moral character, ex-slaves deserve our pity. At the very least, place them on a new colony to at least give them a chance to start anew. But to refer to them as one would discuss transporting synth-rations... heartless is too subtle of a word!
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:06:00 -
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with the help of Kade Jeekin and the UK i have repatriated the slaves hopefully they'll have better luck there ---------------------
In low sec CLS kills greifers In Soviet ASCN space, CLS kills YOU!! |
Rukkal
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Posted - 2006.02.24 22:24:00 -
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Well done Culmen! I salute your efforts in this matter.
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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2006.02.24 22:48:00 -
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Good, more potential customers.
Now just have to figure out which market segment will be profitting most fromtheir freedom.
Luxurious Goods Books and learning equipment Ships Modules and ammo
Hmmm, best I invest in shipbuilding and modules and ammunition I think.
Better to try and fail, then to fail due to not trying |
Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.25 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry Good, more potential customers.
Now just have to figure out which market segment will be profitting most fromtheir freedom.
Luxurious Goods Books and learning equipment Ships Modules and ammo
Hmmm, best I invest in shipbuilding and modules and ammunition I think.
you forgot the soap industry ---------------------
In low sec CLS kills greifers In Soviet ASCN space, CLS kills YOU!! |
Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2006.02.25 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen
you forgot the soap industry
Nope, I am pretty sure that that is part of luxury goods. Soap isn't an essential to survive, anything not essential is luxury. Ergo soap is luxury.
Better to try and fail, then to fail due to not trying |
Culmen
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Posted - 2006.02.25 04:53:00 -
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in that case, im glad that i dont have galnet setup to transmit smell... ---------------------
In low sec CLS kills greifers In Soviet ASCN space, CLS kills YOU!! |
Archbishop
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Posted - 2006.02.25 17:14:00 -
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The SPCS (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Slaves) is always happy to take custody of wayward slaves.
Archbishop
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