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Matthew
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Posted - 2006.02.24 10:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Marcus Tedric
Now, the real rub for me comes with multiple characters on the same account (alts) and second-, third-, multi-accounts.
Underpining all my views is that there is an inherrent RP element - and one plays a character in-game - a single character. Just like in real life.
I know several people who play their 2 chars as a pair suffering from multiple personality disorder - RP?
Many others roleplay their 2 chars as brothers, twins, illegally double-activated clone.....there are ways of RP'ing it if you want to be creative about it.
Originally by: Marcus Tedric
What's wrong is many aspects of human nature - the desire to win and dominate. Sadly people will do whatever they can to achieve that and, when they aren't sufficiently skilled at playing the game (as they probably aren't in RL) to get to that point, then they'll use whatever 'cheat' they can.
Running 2 accounts properly simultaneously requires a lot more skill than doing the same with just 1. If they suck playing 1 char, they'll suck playing as 2 as well. The people I know with 2 accounts got the second not to make up for them sucking on 1, but that they wanted the challenge of more.
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Dematone
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Posted - 2006.02.24 10:28:00 -
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I suggest to ban all players, since they are cheating, as they have an advantage having one account, above those who do not have an account, because the latter do not want to invest money into having an account!
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ian666
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:12:00 -
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Nope, 2 accounts isn't because you still pay the monthly fee, plus I use one for Pirating and the other as a money machine to fund my Evil side ! both take my time its just that some of us can multi task and other can't ! live with it, or get a job so you can have both 
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Deja Thoris on 24/02/2006 11:39:27
Originally by: Annya Avishnaya
dumb logic
While we're on a train of stupid logic...
Ban people with one account! They are effectively paying $20 per month for unlimited ISK earning potential
This is clearly against the EULA
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:39:00 -
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My own personal view is it's not fair.
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lol, lifes not fair mate.
have or have not, its always going to be " unfair" to those that have not.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Morpheus Dreadnor
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:43:00 -
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umm i have 7 acounts.. one for each thing i wanna do in the game. i know one who have 20 acounts he mines masively im told.. well aslong as people dont use a third party program i cant see how its cheeting u pay for the acounts.. and thus its not cheeting.. just the fact some say it is is odd.. may i sugest u just buy more acounts..
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Deltarri
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Posted - 2006.02.24 11:47:00 -
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2 accounts are equal to 2 different game entities. You are making the conclusion that 2 different accounts are the same just becuase they are held by that person.
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KHEN
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:09:00 -
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2 accounts => more isks
more isks => easier to buy GTCs
IMO it's not cheating anymore since buying GTC for in game currency has become allowed by ccp.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.02.24 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Annya Avishnaya
Edited by: Annya Avishnaya on 24/02/2006 08:40:31a whine about not having rl income equal to other players
if others wish to pay for multipple accounts each month, it means they have multiple characters, and each is PAID FOR.
This is not cheating, and whinage about lack of RL income being a disadvantage is not going to get you anywhere.
If you are so disadvantaged in RL, then you shouldn't be spending RL $ on a game to begin with...there is this thing called PRIORITY that people apply to RL and the incurred expenses.
Eve is not a nessesity (gasp), it is entertainment.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:09:00 -
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rofl, the logic behind this thread escapes sanity.
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Turia
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:10:00 -
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No.
Is it cheating because I have an Opteron and EVE rarely hits 35% CPU, and other people have maybe PIIs and thus get lag not from the cluster, but from their own computers? My money is being an unfair external advantage!
Is it cheating because I have a job and have to go to it, whereas others can sit around playing all day? Others' money is being an unfair external advantage!
Is it cheating because my ISP sucks and your's does not?
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Turia
Is it cheating because I have a job and have to go to it, whereas others can sit around playing all day? Others' money is being an unfair external advantage!
QFT, best analogy in the entire thread.
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Sendraks
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:04:00 -
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Turia hits the nail on the head and made the point I wanted to make.
I can spend more money to upgrade my P.C, my internet connection and god knows what else to give me a smoother Eve playing experience. That is an advantage over other players as a result of me spending money in the real world.
I have a second account because I wanted to create a mining/refining alt and didn't want to put my combat character on hold. To create this character has taken time and a lot of ISK to train him up and get him into a mining barge. Its not as if I started the second account and "OMGISKFALLFROMSKY" the moment I logged my first toon in.
Yes the second account makes life easier because you can perform different tasks at the same time, but you still need to make the effort to do those tasks.
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:16:00 -
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the issue is very delicate.
Almost all free MMO's strictly forbid the simultaneous use of more than one account. Many don't let you have a 2nd accoun anyway.
Since there is money involved here though, it wasn't unexpected that CCP would let you give em more money 
Even though I'm against the use of multiing in general, complaining about this would be excessive.
Originally by: Oveur
I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
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Grayplate
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:23:00 -
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No I dont think that it is cheating or illegal as I am not able to devote time fully to both accounts at the same time..
I have two accounts, one is my miner and training the right way (learning skills first etc) and this acct is my rat/mission runner.
Does having 1 3 or 33 accounts give me any real advantage over the person that has only 1 account? ehhh arguably yes, for every other account I have more isk coming in, BUT I also have double the output and my time is now divided between each subsequent account.
1 account all my time and isk goes into it.
2nd account now makes me money as long as it is logged in and I am paying attention to it BUT also doubles the isk output. I have to buy skills, ships, materials etc for this account to enable it to make me money.
How does this matter anyways? How is it any different then me ganging up with X person and splitting the isk hauled in by mining or ratting?
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:31:00 -
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my name is monty and i have an alt.
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Dakath
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:31:00 -
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CCP is the sole arbiter of the EVE universe. Since they allow multiple accounts it is clearly not "cheating".
Having multiple accounts does indeed confer an in-game economic advantage.
There is nothing stopping you or anyone from having more than one account. Want more power? Get more accounts. They are not all that expensive. If I can afford more than one on my pittance of a real-life salary anyone can. 
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St Dragon
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:33:00 -
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I REALLY recomend getting a second account, Iuse mine as my hauler. My main sits at belt mining jaspet 3 hours a day most days of the week result is im rich.
Its also perfectly legal i pay for both accounts and i dont use macros.
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:51:00 -
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A cover op alt is a must have for any FC.
Or a hauller alt is a must have for any hard core industrial...
I have 2 account.
1 main, and the other account have a cov op / figtrt and a hauller / Frighter pilot trained...
I wish I had the cash for a 3rd to run missions in empire... :)
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2006.02.24 15:02:00 -
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Quote:
Underpining all my views is that there is an inherrent RP element - and one plays a character in-game - a single character. Just like in real life.
Well the back of my two EVE boxes from 2003 said this was an MMOG NOT an MMORPG... your argument is lost in the facts.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.02.24 15:16:00 -
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If I could afford 5 accounts and several computers I would earn lots of money in eve, so I can sort of see where the OP is coming from.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.02.24 15:33:00 -
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Well if someone can afford 2 (or more) accounts they have the fullest right to get them.
But most people use their 2nd (or xth) account just as a slave for their main. (I know i would)
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2006.02.24 15:38:00 -
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All you're really cheating is yourself of a greater sense of accomplishment.
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Tevrai
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Posted - 2006.02.24 16:50:00 -
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In the U.S.:
You pay $15.00/month for ONE account.
I pay $30.00/month for TWO accounts.
What's not fair?
Asteroid death dealer, they never saw it coming!
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.02.24 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kerushi on 24/02/2006 16:58:10
3 accounts
me, production, research and market (int/mem)
2nd production and research for more slots (mem/int)
3rd freighter hauler and soonÖ tobe combat char (per/will)
hardly making more money then with 1 account but it makes life alot easier being able to haul and do factory/lab jobs on the alts when away in another region
not to mention being able to chat in different "local"`s 
edit: and no, i don`t mine 
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DaveW
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Posted - 2006.02.24 17:28:00 -
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"does someone owning or using two accounts constitute cheating?"
No...., it dosen't.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2006.02.24 17:32:00 -
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This doesent bothere me if they can afford more than one account, more power to them, but i think its true, everyone i know who has more than 2 accounts has alot of isk, i wont mention any names cough*kayosoni*cough*Mongo peck*
these people have tremendous amount of isk, but i hardly think a few peolple with multpiple accounts really effects gameplay that much.
Selling time cards for isk is far far worse IMO.
Jacques 4tw - Hanns
I watched Hanns beat up Chuck Norris yesterday -zhuge liang
That is such a lie, it Buck Rodgers - Cortes
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Rusty PwnStar
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Posted - 2006.02.24 19:45:00 -
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Cheating???? No sorry it isn't.
I had 2 accounts when I started and took CCP up on their offer so ended up with 4 accounts.
To get the full game play out of eve, 1 account just isn't enough tbh.
I have a miner, 2 PvPers, R&D/Mission runner.
Oh and I now have a another account with a Hauler/frieghter pilot.  so thats 5.
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EzTarget II
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Posted - 2006.02.24 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: EzTarget II on 24/02/2006 20:07:59
I've not read all the thread, but I've got 2 accounts, I know a few of the dev's for FFET have multiple accounts, hell even t20 has multiple accounts *checks old posts on www.eve-ffet.com, there it is*, what's wrong with someone having more money than sense?
One guy in the old CA had 10+ accounts, I think the most owned by one person is romoured to be about 15.
These people pay to play the game with these multiple accounts, so let them, at the current isk prices on ebay your looking at having to make 1 bil isk / month and sell it on ebay to pay for about 20 accounts - now I know selling isk on ebay is not allowed by the EULA, but I don't know anyone that can make 1 bil / month running 20 accounts on their own, hell I'm not even factoring in the cost of electricity, hardware replacements if it breaks, etc...
multiple accounts is not cheating, using ebay is cheating, using macro's is cheating. The way some people are talking even using TS / Vent is cheating.
I use my 2 accounts to mine for 1 hour a day (if I'm lucky) and that ore is refined (I've not even trained up the refine skills) and I build frigs that I sell at knock down prices to the new players. Granted one character is maxed out production, and the other is a noob, but I'm only mining in a Prophecy with 6 Miner 2's and a tormentor with 2 miner 1's... If I'm running an agent mission and need hauling, I use my noob character to haul the loot around in a sigil, I also us the noob character to talk to the new players in one of the noob corps. Apart from that the only other use of a second account (apart from a dedicated hauler) is a region price check person, I have no other need, I can not use the 2 accounts at the same time to rat hunt, or run agent missions, but for mining it's perfect.
Oh and I never use ebay, I only checked the prices just now to see what you would need to make / month to pay for multiple accounts (100mil is about 2 accounts by the looks of it)
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Li'ly
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Posted - 2006.02.24 21:05:00 -
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What about ppl like me, that have too much time to play eve than others do, are that cheating too? |
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