Does your new nation serve free cookies to its capsuleers? If so, I'm in.

I hadn't considered cookies, but I suppose there's no reason we wouldn't have them. More importanlty though we will not bow down to the slave masters of old and new. We will not allow the likes of the New Order or their ilk to repress us. We will be free and will have a home amongst the stars as is our right.

So no slavery? Just freedom and liberty, within the lengths of anarchy?

That is the vision. True freedom guided not by the overbearing powers above, but by the people. Liberty through unity. We will be what mankind was destined to be.

YEESSS! Where have you been all my life?

I support your cause, count me in. I'm tired of the current state all of the nations are at.

Awkwardly smitten conversation, here. And why rusted? Surely you can afford new ships. Maybe some chrome.

Well, I look forward to flying with you good sir.

I support this. I like the idea of a new nation... if you ever wish to have some new faces in the near future, perhaps we could talk. I may have some pilots within Clone Red Creations whom may be interested in joining forces with you. If the majority wish to move, I might follow suit.

In rust we trust.

You mention the New Order. Do you intend to keep them out of Huvilma? If so, you have my support. I would give about anything to system that is free of those braying donkeys.

Well actually, I believe Huvilma is mostly low sec, so New Order thugs wouldn't show up around there anyway. Their style of 'combat' is limited to high sec griefing only.

Yeah, the idea behind this seems great. Very attractive to me, at least.

But call me a nitpicker, superficial or just greedy, but what caught my eye here is... 100% tax rate? What's that about?

Yeah, great idea, buddy. But no.

We are an anarcho-communism.

Looks more like communalism to me.

Communalism? I don't think I understand, sir. We follow the basic concepts of an anarcho-communism to include absolute democracy, from each according to their ability, to each according to their need. Our miners and industrialists feed the nation, our warriors defend our workers, and our leaders serve the people. There is no need for one man to control everything and there is no need for a person to horde or steal resources from the many. I don't think that we qualify as a communalism, though I may be wrong.

Our main system is Alakgur and we have had recent expansions of New Order members into this system. In fact we are currently at war with a sect of New Order dogs that have been station camping miners in Rens and nearby systems. We obviously cannot stand by while they do this. We will make this part of New Eden a hell for these swine.

So, with regards to your great stand against the Order. You are now about 8 billion isk down, where we find ourselves roughly 5 billion isk richer. Are you ready to concede your defeat & admit you cannot stand against us? Or shall we continue this a little longer?

To a true anarcho-communist money is irrelevant.

These guys are just playing at it though, so probably yes.

So, with regards to your great stand against the Order. You are now about 8 billion isk down, where we find ourselves roughly 5 billion isk richer. Are you ready to concede your defeat & admit you cannot stand against us? Or shall we continue this a little longer?

Also, madam, this little forum was where I tracked you down in the first place. We declared war on that little **** poor excuse for a New Order sect solely to draw you out. Now the evidence is present and I've proven my lack of desire for ISK. Two things accomplished this round: 1) proved the true nature of my corp (a true anarcho-communism) and 2) to show that the New Order isn't about anything but scamming and griefing. I think that was well worth 10 Billion of the Fiat Currency of the Corrupt Capitalists that led to such criminals as yourselves being created.



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(OOC: This **** is gonna be fun. New Order definitely didn't fail to deliver. They've created content and given me something to test my RL philosophies against. I honestly love you ladies/gents and can't wait to see how far this experiment goes. Gonna make great anecdotal evidence for my dissertation. See you in game, Black.)

Hey just so you know, crazy guys can just give Ophidia Black isk any time they want. No complicated schemes involving raging while loosing billions in spaceships in a war you declared necessary. Seriously, just "Give Money" and I bet you'll even get a smiley face email from her (especially if its a billion you are giving her).

We are an anarcho-communism.

That is the vision. True freedom guided not by the overbearing powers above, but by the people. Liberty through unity. We will be what mankind was destined to be.

I give the same advice to all, who wish TRUE FREEDOM, how to achieve it with the fastest way possible.

1. Grab a shuttle
2. Find an indigenous uninhabited planet.
3. Land there
4. Undress yourself, put all your clothes into shuttle
5. Launch shuttle back to the orbit with all your clothes and posessions.
6. Live with the animals, like an animal, enjoying your beloved TRUE freedom.

Freedom requires a social context in order to have meaning. What you describe is not freedom, but simplicity for its own sake.

You tried to build your rebel empire on our ground! You wardecd our agents to murder them while enforcing the law you self accepted when entering new order territory!

You think this is over? Your gang of bot-aspirants is not welcome in New Order territory. Your miners will be bumped on sight until you drop your false believes and pledge your loyalty to our Supreme Protector James 315.

Your ISK and your tears will fuel our efforts to make highsec a better place for months.

Excuse me, but I referenced to social context as well. I didn't say live alone, but rather "live with animals". This is a proper social environment for someone, addicted to freedom.

You would be hard pressed to make an argument that contact with animals is a social context. They are not capable of the interactions humans perform that are considered "social". If you do however consider animals to be capable of providing social context or a society, then this discussion is pointless as you have no comprehension of the basic terms involved.

It is not really hard to access that kind of information through any working neocom. Speaking about comprehension of basic terms involved. R-right.

Next time try to press a couple of buttons yourself in the neocom before writing, my profession is to fight gallenteans, not to educate them in basic terms.

First a foremost, your law means nothing to me as long as your members "enforce" it through scams and dishonesty.

Third, my miners don't even operate in highsec on a regular basis. We mine WH space and lowsec, places your weak order is too afraid to operate in. When we are in highsec we fly with large fleets with security and support. Obviously not botting.

As for your last line, I will not shed a tear for a lost ship or ISK. We have better things to worry about than a three man corp of wannabes trying to pretend to be part of something bigger. We have a nation to build. So, though I've enjoyed this distraction between more important things, I'm done with this game and I'm off to more important things. You are a mere nuisance and nothing more than a pesky insect.

All in all, the New Order couldn't be a better contrast to my philosophies and I look forward to seeing how this experiment runs its course.

Third, my miners don't even operate in highsec on a regular basis. We mine WH space and lowsec, places your weak order is too afraid to operate in.

Believe it or not, a dictionary suffices for common discussion:
Social: "of or relating to society or its organization."
Society: "the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community."

Animals are not people and thus cannot organize in a society. This is unbelievably obvious despite your attempt to look for an elaborate definition of social so as to define your term outside of common language. This conversation has ceased to be useful or amusing. Have a good day.

"A nation for the capsuleer by the capsuleer."

Yeah, good luck with that.

When we are in highsec we fly with large fleets with security and support.

We have better things to worry about than a three man corp of wannabes trying to pretend to be part of something bigger.

I can't wait until he gets to the part about watery tarts throwing out swords.

I apologize for that. A three man corp was a bit an overkill as it took only one agent to obliterate that large fleet with security and support.

Poor odin. It must be so very hard to ignore reality in favor of wherever you live. The New Order holds ever true to eliminating bots and bot aspirants. For you to be so butthurt you must have been awaken from your afk slumber at some point by the buzzer of your ship entering structure. The very ideal you try to attain is how the New Order IS. We dont quibble over ships or mods, we give freely to each other for the greater good. Isk does not drive us, but what does instead is the want for EVERYONE to actually PLAY the game they pay for. Not afk doing laundry or running to the store without docking, not alt tabbed watching youtube videos, but actually AT the keyboard. Is mining boring to you, do you hate it, but you dont know what else to do? Convo a New Order member! Besides being the upholders of truth, light and justice, we all have a career which enjoys us the luxury of enforcing the no bot policy that CCP has at our leisure. Personally, i take offense to the insults you ignorantly hurl at the general misunderstanding that you have for the NO. I am ALWAYS polite, i offer a gracious 60 seconds to respond, and in some cases i even snuggle my cat right up against a noncompliant miners hull, just to be sure he gets ample opportunity to save himself a loss. Take ANY other instance in game, fleet warfare, faction warfare, etc., if you go afk people lose their ships. There is no empathy from the 90% of active participants in this game, when we feel that someone making isk, and undercutting the market prices of actual players while not even in the same room as your computer should be allowed to profit.
Isk, like respect is only earned through the actions of the hard working.

Yet another place you have failed to do your research my friend. I and several of my fellow Agents live full time in WH space. I look forward to hopefully coming across one of your mining OPs.

First a foremost, your law means nothing to me as long as your members "enforce" it through scams and dishonesty.

Second, how are we bot-aspirant? Do you even know what aspirant means? I will not give loyalty to a person that was not given a mandate from the people. He placed himself into his position through unjust means.

Third, my miners don't even operate in highsec on a regular basis. We mine WH space and lowsec, places your weak order is too afraid to operate in. When we are in highsec we fly with large fleets with security and support. Obviously not botting. [Haha. For future reference when I don't capitalize "order" I'm not referencing the whole New Order, just his weak little sub-sect. I don't even think that man even leaves his station, he just spends all his time watching his buddy Karak do all the work.]

As for your last line, I will not shed a tear for a lost ship or ISK. We have better things to worry about than a three man corp of wannabes trying to pretend to be part of something bigger. We have a nation to build. So, though I've enjoyed this distraction between more important things, I'm done with this game and I'm off to more important things. You are a mere nuisance and nothing more than a pesky insect.

Actually, my reasons for this were simple. You see, I just proved my point. ISK means nothing to us.... ISK is nothing.

We are an anarcho-communism. Every member of the Syndicate has access to free ships/equipment and eventually we will be making sure that our members have access to their Pilots Licenses without any direct costs to them.

But to summarize.... I knew I was being scammed.

First the permits. I have no issue with this at all after looking into them. My only issue with the CODE as it stands now is the language regarding a "hierarchy" and the fact that it places miners at the bottom of this class system. This essentially places the worker class at the bottom. Something I can not agree with. This is actually some debate within the Syndicate at this time on whether we are going to simply adhere to the permit system to prevent any further issues in the future. I personally wanted to incorporate a couple of the New Order corps in my area into our alliance/nation with the purpose of instead of spending the 10m ISK on permits funding their knights. I was hoping to nullify the need for the hierarchy by replacing it with a horizontal system in which councils made up of knights, miners, industrialists, etc could "govern" their separate segments of the population whilst a High Council elected by these "sub" councils dealt with any issues that arose between the separate groups. I was, however, turned down because I was supposedly diluting the CODE (which I may have been). Had these corps elected to join my alliance/nation, the High Council would have drafted into the Common Law of New Huvilma the CODE as a framework for a myriad of aspects within the nation. I still may do this, as I do see the CODE as having merit, minus the hierarchy.

The final point I will reply to is your arguments regarding the vision of the Syndicate. Yes, it has been a flaw of communism, socialism, and all their forms that some work others leech. The same issue arises in capitalist societies, wherein the wealthy leech and those on welfare leech. I plan to solve this by instituting an accounting measure that truly brings the "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" in line with "those who do not work, do not eat" philosophy. Equality is inherent, but leeching being from the top or the bottom is by definition trying to place one above another. No one can be allowed to steal the equal rights of another. The Common Law and Social Contract will both reflect this concept in both spirit and word.

As for the scam.... that was more meta than in game. I wanted to show from an outside frame of reference that the capitalist ideology leads some to commit crimes/scams because money is the basis by which we currently measure success and worth. The scam itself was simple: pay this the war ends, pay this next amount and we will return any ships lost during the war. I paid said amounts, then magically Black's connection dropped. She then returned and said she never received the second amount for the ships and moved to try and get the full amount a second time. By this point, I had already proven my point for this level of the meta-experiment so I didn't continue forward. Simple scam really, and likely quite effective (even if you aren't purposely dumping ISK into an experiment for a dissertation that will be written a couple years from now).

AFK? Theme park?? Bot??? The hell man, these people on crash or something?

As for the scam.... that was more meta than in game. I wanted to show from an outside frame of reference that the capitalist ideology leads some to commit crimes/scams because money is the basis by which we currently measure success and worth. The scam itself was simple: pay this the war ends, pay this next amount and we will return any ships lost during the war. I paid said amounts, then magically Black's connection dropped. She then returned and said she never received the second amount for the ships and moved to try and get the full amount a second time. By this point, I had already proven my point for this level of the meta-experiment so I didn't continue forward. Simple scam really, and likely quite effective (even if you aren't purposely dumping ISK into an experiment for a dissertation that will be written a couple years from now).

[quote=Cuci Cairi]You can take the Minmatar out of the rust, but you can't take the rust out of the Minmatar.

(OOC: This **** is gonna be fun. New Order definitely didn't fail to deliver. They've created content and given me something to test my RL philosophies against. I honestly love you ladies/gents and can't wait to see how far this experiment goes. Gonna make great anecdotal evidence for my dissertation. See you in game, Black.)

In response to the New Order members here. I don't afk mine.

And I'm all for this. That is why I do AFK mine.

What again?

This thread is gold, but those 2 quotes above can't both be true, unless of course you have multiple personalities, then I can se how this might work.