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Corp 5py
Trolol0l
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:04:00 -
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"Rat"
Everybody uses the name to refer to asteroid belt NPC's , but where did the name come from ? Why 'ratting' and not something else, like 'npc-ing' or something similar
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1599
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:05:00 -
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NPC Pirates.
Pirates.
Pi-"rat"-es.
Rats. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6391
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:05:00 -
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Pirate EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Nantwig Mutbrecht
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:06:00 -
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it's a fitting metaphor. belt rats are like vermin in the cargo of a ship. gotta clear them out every once in a while |
Pezazz
Kitsune Corporation
5
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:22:00 -
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I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest. |
Fr3akwave
Space Road Truckers.
5
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:35:00 -
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Pezazz wrote:I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest.
The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though. |
culo duro
EveryoneVersusEveryone.com EveryoneVersusEveryone.com.
358
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:40:00 -
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Fr3akwave wrote:Pezazz wrote:I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest. The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though. No one would admit if they did on these forums. |
Dangirdas Bachir
Monstrosity Inc
510
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Posted - 2013.11.25 08:45:00 -
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culo duro wrote:Fr3akwave wrote:Pezazz wrote:I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest. The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though. No one would admit if they did on these forums. I did. EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
749
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Posted - 2013.11.25 09:12:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: NPC Pirates. Pirates. Pi-"rat"-es. Rats.
This mainly.
Esp since there's a need in Eve to differ between players behaving (and calling themself) pirates and the NPC pirates.
Nantwig Mutbrecht wrote:it's a fitting metaphor. belt rats are like vermin in the cargo of a ship. gotta clear them out every once in a while Probably not a primary reason, but likely boosting reason one.
Fr3akwave wrote:Pezazz wrote:I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest. The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though.
The "enter sewer, kill rats, collect coins, rinse and repeat" line (or similar) goes back to board games (and later moos/muds). Most often used to describe boring grind that low level characters are forced to perform by lazy DMs or game designers.
And as a sidenote. "Mobs" was originally short for "mobiles" or "mobile monsters". The fact that "mobs" has a RL meaning did of course also contribute.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4709
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Posted - 2013.11.25 09:31:00 -
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Dangirdas Bachir wrote:I did. L++gner !
Liar !
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Dangirdas Bachir
Monstrosity Inc
510
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Posted - 2013.11.25 09:33:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Dangirdas Bachir wrote:I did. L++gner !
Liar ! You wanna fight about cu nt???! EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H |
Cavalira
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
205
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Posted - 2013.11.25 10:05:00 -
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Dangirdas Bachir wrote:culo duro wrote:Fr3akwave wrote:Pezazz wrote:I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest. The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though. No one would admit if they did on these forums. I did.
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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
716
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Posted - 2013.11.25 10:14:00 -
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it's from old MMORPGs, I think EverQuest: the first NPC you got to kill were just rats. So "ratting" became slang foir generic NPC farming
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Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4709
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Posted - 2013.11.25 10:19:00 -
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Dangirdas Bachir wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Dangirdas Bachir wrote:I did. L++gner !
Liar ! You wanna fight about cu nt???! Ja ! Bring Dein Tier !
Yes ! Bring your mount ! |
Corp 5py
Trolol0l
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:12:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:it's from old MMORPGs, I think EverQuest: the first NPC you got to kill were just rats. So "ratting" became slang foir generic NPC farming
Humm, looks plausible. Everquest was launched in 1999, eve a few years later, I can see the transition of slang terms between the 2. The 'rat' cold then be enforced by the piRAT naming.
Altho, a counter to the everquest rat naming origin would be that overall, 'grinding' has become the MMO term for just killing NPC's for extended periods of time. |
Anomaly One
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:17:00 -
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I know that in some MUD games 14 years ago, you "rat" in dungeons/rooms by killing rats to get gold.
edit: since 1997 *~~*running my own mission and have some class bully run up and blow me up because they think its funny, then give the excuses that I was just firing fireworks at you*~~* |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
749
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:31:00 -
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Anomaly One wrote:I know that in some MUD games 14 years ago, you "rat" in dungeons/rooms by killing rats to get gold.
edit: since 1997 Yep, and you can add almost 10 years to that since I know that the term was used in that meaning in muds pre-1990.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
716
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Posted - 2013.11.25 13:29:00 -
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http://www.thenoobcomic.com/index.php?pos=22 |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
2510
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Posted - 2013.11.25 13:40:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: NPC Pirates. Pirates. Pi-"rat"-es. Rats.
This mainly. Esp since there's a need in Eve to differ between players behaving (and calling themself) pirates and the NPC pirates.
This.
It is used to make a clear difference between a NPC Pirate and a player who yells Yarr at the end of every phrase aka a player pirate Want to have some chat in game? Need help to get into the game as a new player? Just join my channel: Crazy Dutch Guy |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
766
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Posted - 2013.11.25 13:42:00 -
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I never even needed it explained to me. It made sense right from the get-go.
Kids, these days.... That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:01:00 -
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GÇ£RattingGÇ¥ as a term to grind hordes of small and useless NPCs goes way back in the history of computer RPGs. The whole GÇ£pirateGÇ¥ thing sounds more like a backformation to make this old term fit within a new environment where there are no rodents to kill for 10 XP + 1 gold each. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
165
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:08:00 -
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Wanted to be the first person to answer this correctly, but many already have!
Rats. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
491
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:08:00 -
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culo duro wrote:Fr3akwave wrote:Pezazz wrote:I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest. The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though. No one would admit if they did on these forums.
sure I would. But its typical to bad-mouth wow in the same sentence.
Rat in Eve = Mob in any other MMO. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17519
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:18:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Rat in Eve = Mob in any other MMO. I don't knowGǪ
GǪwasn't the point of mobs that they could follow you from room to room (hence GǣmobileGǥ)? EVE rats don't really do that.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
771
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Batelle wrote:Rat in Eve = Mob in any other MMO. I don't knowGǪ GǪwasn't the point of mobs that they could follow you from room to room (hence GǣmobileGǥ)? EVE rats don't really do that.
More likely related to the mobs of them you can form and destroy because of the relative power level of an player character toward NPC. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:48:00 -
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Ive heard that players close to going up a level would say "I'm going to go kill some rats to level up" and that quickly became "I'm going ratting." http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
750
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Batelle wrote:Rat in Eve = Mob in any other MMO. I don't knowGǪ GǪwasn't the point of mobs that they could follow you from room to room (hence GǣmobileGǥ)? EVE rats don't really do that. Technically (if I remember my RPG days of yonder), what you describe is a roaming or prowling monster (some really ebil ones even hunt players down).
Mobiles are simply anything that can move around at all.
And in the moo/mud case they are actually objects and not just fancy text in the room description.
But caveat emptor, I haven't played either board RPGs nor moo/mud for like 10-15 years and at my age I'm allowed to both ramble about and forget stuff.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2297
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:21:00 -
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Apologies, but it reminds me of Haggle:
"Rats everywhere. Everywhere I see rats. Always looking at me with their beady little eyes. I show them. I show them all."
"Rat-kabobs! Get your tasty rat-kabobs! Get them while they're hot!"
"In the trash...always in the trash...that's where the money is!"
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17528
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Posted - 2013.11.25 22:33:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Technically (if I remember my RPG days of yonder), what you describe is a roaming or prowling monster (some really ebil ones even hunt players down).
Mobiles are simply anything that can move around at all. Yeah, maybe. I can't say that the lingo is up to snuff 20 years after having last played one of those games. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
471
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Posted - 2013.11.25 23:14:00 -
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When I first heard of eve, I pictured the rats one PCGamer reviewer once complained about having to kill dozens of in his Everquest review. Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
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