Really? So you've never sold anything you bought via the nex on the market? That does effect the game. You just got isk you did not otherwise have.

Just remember that just because something doesn't give you +5 warp scram strength doesn't mean it has no effect.

GǪexcept, of course, that I've never said anything of the kind.

How many PLEX do I pay for a Talos and the modules needed for a gank?

Oh, and Mr. MT himself even said that it's not really a universally applicable business model, but the sentiment is older than that

Do you know what RMT is? Because by your definition, it sounds like you're referring to a gaming developer making money off their own game as RMT. This is not RMT, and while microtransactions exist in the forum of Aurum, they are cosmetic and certainly not gamebreaking. Not even close.

But if it was RMT, it would be the developers themselves simply making money off their own development. I fail to see the problem there...

[So far it's been about how eve would never work as a F2P (not the topic) or denials that plex is RMT (it is).

Microtransaction system is different: you pay real $$ and some goods (items, gold, consumable) are injected from nowhere in the game.

I actually agree with him on some points. However, we have RMT currently in game. I think it's burying one's head in the sand to assume that it will not be built on. I thin that it behooves us to actually have a serious discussion about this issue rather than all the fit throwing, rage quitting, drama posts that go on and actualy find some middle ground with CCP.

If people hate RMT and microtransaction is not for some "ethical" reason. Is a matter of game echosyste.

PLEX are very different than a standard P2P/micotransaction system: when you use real money to buy a PLEX and then sell this PLEX on market for ISK those then ISKs are not created from nowhere, are produced by active gameplay, somoene (someone else, yes) ratted, missioned, traded, looted, mined to produce it. And are only transfered to you.

ISk earned from AUR and NEX store items share the same schema.


Microtransaction system is different: you pay real $$ and some goods (items, gold, consumable) are injected from nowhere in the game.

This is why the PLEX system is accepted by EVE players: does not "corrupt" the game echosystem.

No, I don't belive him.

This is getting tiresome.

If you are fully aware of the dismay and repercussions the last attempt at it caused, why are you trying to necro one of the biggest threadnaughts in eve history?

It's silly not to accept the answers when you ask for people's opinions.

It would be acceptable to leave things as they are now. This has been spelled out to you for 10 pages now.

but what about busty women in swimsuit paintings?

plex is good. Vanity items is the line for me.

With battlefield 514 not doing so well and world of valkery offering nothing new to the pay to win model. I see ever declining need to invest in ccp.

With its niche market under attack from competition, it's time for ccp to either deliver or sit down as more directed space exploration games deliver.

If ccp can deliver better then the competition, it will survive. If not, I expect microtransactions. Till then. Please stop trying to get us to agree to pay more for something I'm already paying to access.

It just seems like just another case of you refusing to accept the facts when they don't agree with your hopes and dreams.

It would be acceptable to leave things as they are now. This has been spelled out to you for 10 pages now.

Out of curiosity, from where is Eve's niche under any actual, realized threat at the moment?

Because stampings one's foot and saying 'no no no' is not an opinion

My 'hopes and dreams' are to head off another pile of stupidity. I've been around a long time now, and have a pretty good feel for the rhythm of CCP's fuckups. Rather than just sit back, and wait for the next one to come along, I figured that a proactive stance might be more productive than sitting around waiting for the forums to explode with manufactured rage again. They're non-statements and vague assertions lead me to look toward more RMT and micro-transactions as their next move.

An astonishing thing to say when exactly that opinion is not only what stopped CCP's previous attempt in its tracks but is also responsible for the more space focused work of the last couple of years.

An astonishing thing to say when exactly that opinion is not only what stopped CCP's previous attempt in its tracks but is also responsible for the more space focused work of the last couple of years.

GǪaaaaand here it comes again: what do you have to support the claim that CCP is interested in changing EVE's business model? GǣA pretty good feel for the rhythm of CCP fuckupsGǥ does not cut it.

I know! It must be Sean Decker!

I had considered adding you to my ignore list and just being done with it, but I think you seem to fail to understand me in the least.

My 'hopes and dreams' are to head off another pile of stupidity. I've been around a long time now, and have a pretty good feel for the rhythm of CCP's fuckups. Rather than just sit back, and wait for the next one to come along, I figured that a proactive stance might be more productive than sitting around waiting for the forums to explode with manufactured rage again. They're non-statements and vague assertions lead me to look toward more RMT and micro-transactions as their next move.

Judging by some people's posts, I'm not the only one that smells this sea change coming. So, you can deny it all you like, we'll see which one of us makes more isk off it.

I'll point to an earlier post by someone else about how CCP has announced that the nex, our current microtranaction location, is gettign revamped. So, if it is changing, better to grab the bull by the horns than let it run one over.

One would imagine that depends entirely on one's play style.

I'm still trying to figure out how she thinks it's a 'change' of CCP's business model to increase incentives to buy a product they sell already. I'm not sure if it's me or her that's confused on what a business model is, at this point. Most places have incentives to buy their products. Some even call it... advertising.

Did it now?

a bunch of agitators managed to whip the easily led masses into a frenzy about pay 2 win. Because being this is eve, it's easy to convince people the worst.

Further, it also revealed exactly what percentage of players really will unsub. There's no uncertainty for them if they ever do it again.

Did someone get RMT and Free to Play mixed up??

I doubt that CCP would be eager to reintroduce one of the main concerns that fueled the fire during the summer of rage. I could be wrong, but it shouldn't take much to see that a second occurrence so soon could prove far more permanently devastating. either way, revamping the NEX store leading to undesirable MT's is still highly speculative.

Also, interestingly I'd like you to share the history that you have observed that leads to this particular conclusion considering we've only once seen something similar happen, which in reality didn't even cross the line but drew intense backlash for the mere possibility that it could and lack of assurances to the contrary, and CCP is still in the mindset that they need to avoid the appearance of regression by constantly reminding us of their vision and reassurances that work is being done to that end.

I don't really agree with that assessment as even I, as someone who doesn't regularly partake in the most social aspects of the game haven't heard of anything tempting for a replacement that is out or near imminent release. For those further involved I'd wager this is even less so. I just don't see any such replacements or direct competition at the moment.

That argument falls on it's face when a large part of your business is a continued service and you customer's begin to feel that the "incentives" offered somehow compromise the service.

Your question has been answered. The core EvE players(those that enjoy EvE more than World of Tanks/Warplanes/Warships) are unwilling to accept any transactions(micro or macro) that have any impact on gameplay. This gameplay encompasses any item which has a purpose outside of the market. Now, about PLEX. PLEX is not and never has been a response to microtransactions. It is a response to illicit RMT. It was designed to be a finite commodity, just as NeX items are, that has no impact on your abilities within the game. Furthermore PLEX is the only such commodity of it's type that we are willing to accept. NeX items should forever remain avatar vanity items, while other vanity items(such as ship skins) are unacceptable as cash shop items.