Big expensive ships are meant to be powerful, so I don't understand the constant nerfing of big ships due to their strength. Large ships are meant to be powerful

An all Vs Nyx can drop 20 sentries. Fifty supercarriers (Not an unreasonable amount for N3, PL, CFC etc to drop) can drop as many sentries as two hundred ishtars.

A blob of fifty supers, plus their friendly neighbourhood titans, can only be defeated by a bigger blob of supers and titans, and with a thousand garde IIs on the field, they're just going to paste any subcaps that come near them. They become impossible to tackle, let alone damage.


Why do you want to play supercapitals online? No-one else does.

The sentry nerf does make sense to some extent. Perhaps then have the +3 to drones only apply to fighters and fighter-bombers. and a +1 to normal drones. (like normal carriers)

Plus a drone bay size increase wont really affect anything, but make them a tad more useful in that they can remain in combat. for more than a few bombing runs.

I must admit, i do agree with you on the fact that if supers drop 17/20 sentries each it may get a bit much. But only a single fleet of Ishtars, which there often are a few of in large battles will drop 1250 sentries.

250 Ishtars - 1250 sentries ----> for same amount of sentries on would need over 60 Supers

nerf(buff) all caps with with 20% dmg per level insted of +1 drone per level.. that way caps cannot field up to 15 drones if they use DLA's(which is nerfing them self anyway)

An all Vs Nyx can drop 20 sentries. Fifty supercarriers (Not an unreasonable amount for N3, PL, CFC etc to drop) can drop as many sentries as two hundred ishtars.

A blob of fifty supers, plus their friendly neighbourhood titans, can only be defeated by a bigger blob of supers and titans, and with a thousand garde IIs on the field, they're just going to paste any subcaps that come near them. They become impossible to tackle, let alone damage.


Why do you want to play supercapitals online? No-one else does.

And so what ? I can also complain that Dominix can drop 5 sentries and vexor just 3. And poor tristan just 1 sentry and poor tank.

Your arguments are ********. Commiting such amount of money and time to drop supers should be rewarded.

And i don't even have super or i'm not even close to buy one or even willling to buy it.

But i can see what is your problem. That the others guys got more supers and you would lose.

And so what ? Get over it they invested more time and money into characters to build those supers, train those alts.

Everything must be build around CFC being able to outblob everyone with numbers ? That's your game design.

IRL in modern warfare numbers don't count that much but technology, money and quality of stuff you are using. It's not stone age in EvE either - those with money and power should be able to outperform masses with sticks and stones.

An all Vs Nyx can drop 20 sentries. Fifty supercarriers (Not an unreasonable amount for N3, PL, CFC etc to drop) can drop as many sentries as two hundred ishtars.

A blob of fifty supers, plus their friendly neighbourhood titans, can only be defeated by a bigger blob of supers and titans, and with a thousand garde IIs on the field, they're just going to paste any subcaps that come near them. They become impossible to tackle, let alone damage.


Why do you want to play supercapitals online? No-one else does.

What, so, because PL/N3 have 400 supers, they should never lose any fight ever, and we might as well log off when the watchlist lights up? How is that good game design?

Why is it a good thing to have 50 people be able to defeat 250 every single time, with zero losses, zero risk and zero fun for the other side? Did you forget that we are playing a GAME? I've been on the wrong side of overwhelming supercap numbers, I've been in many a fleet that has stood down in the face of the opposition mass logging in supercaps that we couldn't match and stood zero chance of even scrating the paintwork of, and you're telling me that those situations should be ENCOURAGED, and that they are somehow good for the game?

If you're accusing me of thinking the CFC should be able to blob everything out of existence, then what are you suggesting? That N3/PL just be able to superblob everything out of existence instead?

The ships that make this game fun are frigates to battleships. If all the larger ships disappeared it would probably be better for the game.

Maybe freighters and orcas could remain. They're not so bad.

How about making them even more expensive? If you want to field 50 of them, you risk losing so much ISK you may not be able to recover!

That is the worst thing I have heard so far. I truly hate frigates and rather enjoy capitals. if less people flew the small ****, the game (for me a least) would become a lot more fun.

Yes, it should be that way.

If they have the highest number of the most powership ships in the game, why should they not be at an advantage? There are better ways to balance supercarriers if it's felt that major fights will become NOTHING but capital fleet fights. How about making them even more expensive? If you want to field 50 of them, you risk losing so much ISK you may not be able to recover!

Nerfing them so they are barely better than a handful of subcaps is not the right answer IMO, too much homogenization.

Supercaps and Titans have been a problem for a long time and no one has apparent answers.

The reason that most PvPers in the large alilances continue to roam into lowsec is because sub cap warfare in null sec is restricted to structure timers with huge fleets and possible hotdrops.

The coalitions exist as they do because:

1. It is too easy to move huge vessels across the whole of known space
2. It is too cheap to move huge fleets of huge vessels across the whole of known space
3. It is easy to get a fleet into a blockaded system using cloak / cyno / titan bridge


Resolve these issues.


something along the lines of...

Significantly increase the logistical cost of moving these ships further than the edge of the current region (both in time, manpower and fuel). Give the Titan bridge a mass restriction, unless it is jumping through itself, where it becomes unlimited but exhausts a huge amount of fuel.

...would be a start

Why do you want to play supercapitals online? No-one else does.