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Natasha Starlight	Posted - 2006.02.27 14:14:00 - [1] Hi. My only experience with 0.0 is Lower Syndicate and am a little confused as to why it is not claimed. Is it simply because LS is a hell-hole of PvPers and too hard to hold or is there some (NPC?) reason it is not allowed to be claimed? I think I know how sovereignty works with POSs and all but am a little unsure of how NPC corps (Serps, Guristas etc.) fit in with all this. There also seems to be a lot of stations in LS but I hear people complain of "too few stations in 0.0" so is this just a non-Syndicate thing? Also all the stations in Syndicate seem to belong to NPCs, in other regions is it just player-conquerable stations all the way (which is why those regions are easier to hold?) So in summary how does sovereignty actually work? Can you just claim any 0.0 system (or is it per constellation? or region?) providing you have enough firepower and POSs or are there restrictions? What part do player-conquerable stations play? Many thanks in advance.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.27 14:16:00 - [2] if it's an NPC region, then it cannot be claimed and you will see loads of NPC stations dotted around. A non-npc region has exactly 3 conquerable stations in it (hence there "there's not enough stations in 0.0" line). You can however, build more.
Natasha Starlight	Posted - 2006.02.27 14:24:00 - [3] Edited by: Natasha Starlight on 27/02/2006 14:24:53 Originally by: Sarmaul if it's an NPC region, then it cannot be claimed and you will see loads of NPC stations dotted around. A non-npc region has exactly 3 conquerable stations in it (hence there "there's not enough stations in 0.0" line). You can however, build more. So only three conquerable stations and no others at all yes? By build more I assume you mean outposts? And finally, on the Eve map pic of what alliance controls where I see 3FA controls part of Syndicate. Is this an "informal" (no disrespect meant here guys) claim that comes about simply from living in and actively patrolling the space rather than POSs?
Auraria	Posted - 2006.02.27 14:53:00 - [4] Edited by: Auraria on 27/02/2006 14:53:46 The claim of 3FA is an informal one
Carnicx 1	Posted - 2006.02.27 15:02:00 - [5] Edited by: Carnicx 1 on 27/02/2006 15:03:34 Originally by: Natasha Starlight And finally, on the Eve map pic of what alliance controls where I see 3FA controls part of Syndicate. Is this an "informal" (no disrespect meant here guys) claim that comes about simply from living in and actively patrolling the space rather than POSs? 3FA holds an "informal" claim to a single constellation which we have lived in and defended for the last 2 years. We operate in other parts of Syndicate as well but our claim is just the single constellation. (And no offence taken since we can't make a formal claim due to the area being claimed by NPC)
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.02.27 17:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Sarmaul A non-npc region has exactly 3 conquerable stations in it (hence there "there's not enough stations in 0.0" line). You can however, build more. Actually, Period Basis has two stations, and there is one region (Providence) which has none. -------- Shinra Director
Ichabod Crane	Posted - 2006.02.27 18:56:00 - [7] Originally by: Carnicx 1 Edited by: Carnicx 1 on 27/02/2006 15:03:34 Originally by: Natasha Starlight And finally, on the Eve map pic of what alliance controls where I see 3FA controls part of Syndicate. Is this an "informal" (no disrespect meant here guys) claim that comes about simply from living in and actively patrolling the space rather than POSs? 3FA holds an "informal" claim to a single constellation which we have lived in and defended for the last 2 years. We operate in other parts of Syndicate as well but our claim is just the single constellation. (And no offence taken since we can't make a formal claim due to the area being claimed by NPC) To clarify that, we hold the constellation outside of what game mechanics will allow, hopefully factional warfare in Kali will let us change that.
Frank Dashwood	Posted - 2006.02.27 21:37:00 - [8] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Sarmaul A non-npc region has exactly 3 conquerable stations in it (hence there "there's not enough stations in 0.0" line). You can however, build more. Actually, Period Basis has two stations, and there is one region (Providence) which has none. Ive always thought provi having no stations is a bit odd tbh, i mean ok, its a crap region, but you'd think there would be 1 or 2 there somewhere. --------------------------------------- Welcome to eve, where 80% of the population hides behind a wall of smack while deceiving themselves into thinking they hold the moral high ground.
Ichabod Crane	Posted - 2006.02.27 22:05:00 - [9] Before the conquerable stations were brought in, there were alot of regions like that. Seems providence got missed off the list when they were handed out.
Dr Reinhart	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:09:00 - [10] So how does NORAD have formal claim to the qs constellation and some of the ring?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.27 23:14:00 - [11] Originally by: Dr Reinhart So how does NORAD have formal claim to the qs constellation and some of the ring? they don't have a formal claim, they have a "we live here and defend it add us to the user-made map" claim, same as every other claim on that map in systems with NPC stations.
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.02.28 09:32:00 - [12] You cannot claim sovereignty over an NPC controlled region. You can unofficially claim the space as your own and enforce a NBSI policy on the region. Lower Syndicate is claimed by OSS Alliance which is an unofficial alliance or corps who live in the area. 3FA and OSS have a NAP and are friendly towards each other. OSS runs a NBSI policy, so expect to get shot at in their space if they don't know who you are. It's only the three Empire chokepoints that are considered pirate infested. MHC, 6-C, and Y9G. These systems are difficult to defend because of the JG layout, NPC stations, and proximity to Empire space. Without a full scale occupation the best that can be acheived is scaring the Pirates away for a few hours. Outside of those systems there are almost no pirates, although there are often hostile fleets heading to attack OSS space. I cannot remember the exact border, but I think OSS claims everything behind VV-VCR.
Ichabod Crane	Posted - 2006.02.28 09:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Trac3rt You can unofficially claim the space as your own and enforce a NBSI policy on the region. I beg to differ, we dont use NBSI
Calenth	Posted - 2006.02.28 14:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Trac3rt Lower Syndicate is claimed by OSS Alliance which is an unofficial alliance or corps who live in the area. 3FA and OSS have a NAP and are friendly towards each other. OSS runs a NBSI policy, so expect to get shot at in their space if they don't know who you are. I cannot remember the exact border, but I think OSS claims everything behind VV-VCR. Technically speaking, just to clarify, that space is claimed by the Five, and the "OSS Alliance" is an alliance of those corps that rent from [5] in one way or another, either by providing defensive manpower, money, mineral support, what have you.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Calenth Technically speaking, just to clarify, that space is claimed by the Five, and the "OSS Alliance" is an alliance of those corps that rent from [5] in one way or another, either by providing defensive manpower, money, mineral support, what have you. Th is is also a reason for the NBSI policy OSS operates under. In other words, you suck roids for the five, so are in essence, Five's mining slaves. w00t My Latest Vid (16/02/06)
Native	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Calenth Technically speaking, just to clarify, that space is claimed by the Five, and the "OSS Alliance" is an alliance of those corps that rent from [5] in one way or another, either by providing defensive manpower, money, mineral support, what have you. Th is is also a reason for the NBSI policy OSS operates under. In other words, you suck roids for the five, so are in essence, Five's mining slaves. w00t You kill people for money ... that makes you slaves to your clients by your logic.
Alupigus1	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Calenth Technically speaking, just to clarify, that space is claimed by the Five, and the "OSS Alliance" is an alliance of those corps that rent from [5] in one way or another, either by providing defensive manpower, money, mineral support, what have you. Th is is also a reason for the NBSI policy OSS operates under. In other words, you suck roids for the five, so are in essence, Five's mining slaves. w00t In other words, you $uck (roids or not), so you are in essence a $ucker.
ZedLey	Posted - 2006.02.28 15:42:00 - [18] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Calenth Technically speaking, just to clarify, that space is claimed by the Five, and the "OSS Alliance" is an alliance of those corps that rent from [5] in one way or another, either by providing defensive manpower, money, mineral support, what have you. Th is is also a reason for the NBSI policy OSS operates under. In other words, you suck roids for the five, so are in essence, Five's mining slaves. w00t Could call u Bob slaves aswell tbh...
KIATolon	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:31:00 - [19] Careful eyeshadow, those are fighting words ;)
Boonaki	Posted - 2006.02.28 16:43:00 - [20] I wish I had slaves... Someone to NPC and mine for me, someone to wash my feet. Fear the Ibis of doom.
logosfold	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Native Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Calenth Technically speaking, just to clarify, that space is claimed by the Five, and the "OSS Alliance" is an alliance of those corps that rent from [5] in one way or another, either by providing defensive manpower, money, mineral support, what have you. Th is is also a reason for the NBSI policy OSS operates under. In other words, you suck roids for the five, so are in essence, Five's mining slaves. w00t You kill people for money ... that makes you slaves to your clients by your logic. Worse than that you are slaves of a remedial! I bet his wallet is nice and fat with all you monkeys paying 10% tax and all you get is T1 frigates, cruisers and mods given back that you have probably mined for to boot!
Jacinto Naysmith	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:19:00 - [22] Edited by: Jacinto Naysmith on 28/02/2006 19:20:21 Yes, it is just a "non syndicate" thing. In deep 0.0 space stations are far and few between, lower syndicate is kind of unique in having a large number of them. It really is a shame that people feel the need to troll any and all threads vaguely relating to goonfleet in some way. Please go back to your caves and stop ruining topics.
logosfold	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:35:00 - [23] I think the trolls and flames from goonfleet far outnumber anything thats been said against them. And all thats said is "when we have so many in the corp we can't controll whats said on the forums!" Boohoo!
Mr rooflez	Posted - 2006.02.28 20:24:00 - [24] Edited by: Mr rooflez on 28/02/2006 20:24:35 Originally by: logosfold Originally by: Native Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Calenth Technically speaking, just to clarify, that space is claimed by the Five, and the "OSS Alliance" is an alliance of those corps that rent from [5] in one way or another, either by providing defensive manpower, money, mineral support, what have you. Th is is also a reason for the NBSI policy OSS operates under. In other words, you suck roids for the five, so are in essence, Five's mining slaves. w00t You kill people for money ... that makes you slaves to your clients by your logic. Worse than that you are slaves of a remedial! I bet his wallet is nice and fat with all you monkeys paying 10% tax and all you get is T1 frigates, cruisers and mods given back that you have probably mined for to boot! Yes you are right, it's terrible. I sure pity those 1 week old players who have to give up 10% of all the crokite they pull in, sure gives them a disadvantage towards all the 1 week old players who aren't in goonfleet and don't have to pay tax on all the crokite they mine. If only the game mechanics allowed some way to leave a corp you are not satisfied with. It is a shame you can not leave a corp in this game, leaving goonfleet with 759 angry and discontent members who would leave at the first chance they got.
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.02.28 20:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Ichabod Crane Originally by: Trac3rt You can unofficially claim the space as your own and enforce a NBSI policy on the region. I beg to differ, we dont use NBSI I didnt say you have to, but that you could. OSS operates an NBSI policy in 'unclaimed' NPC space.
Freeside	Posted - 2006.02.28 20:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Mr rooflez Edited by: Mr rooflez on 28/02/2006 20:24:35 Originally by: logosfold Originally by: Native Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Calenth Technically speaking, just to clarify, that space is claimed by the Five, and the "OSS Alliance" is an alliance of those corps that rent from [5] in one way or another, either by providing defensive manpower, money, mineral support, what have you. Th is is also a reason for the NBSI policy OSS operates under. In other words, you suck roids for the five, so are in essence, Five's mining slaves. w00t You kill people for money ... that makes you slaves to your clients by your logic. Worse than that you are slaves of a remedial! I bet his wallet is nice and fat with all you monkeys paying 10% tax and all you get is T1 frigates, cruisers and mods given back that you have probably mined for to boot! Yes you are right, it's terrible. I sure pity those 1 week old players who have to give up 10% of all the crokite they pull in, sure gives them a disadvantage towards all the 1 week old players who aren't in goonfleet and don't have to pay tax on all the crokite they mine. If only the game mechanics allowed some way to leave a corp you are not satisfied with. It is a shame you can not leave a corp in this game, leaving goonfleet with 759 angry and discontent members who would leave at the first chance they got. I miss my NPC corp.
fmercury	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:16:00 - [27] Originally by: logosfold Worse than that you are slaves of a remedial! I bet his wallet is nice and fat with all you monkeys paying 10% tax and all you get is T1 frigates, cruisers and mods given back that you have probably mined for to boot! If you're going to post a misinformed, pointless troll, at least do it with your main
Frederick Skinner	Posted - 2006.02.28 21:57:00 - [28] Just nm Syndicate, nothing ever goes on there 'cept a few pirates running around.
logosfold	Posted - 2006.02.28 23:02:00 - [29] Edited by: logosfold on 28/02/2006 23:02:54 Originally by: fmercury Originally by: logosfold Worse than that you are slaves of a remedial! I bet his wallet is nice and fat with all you monkeys paying 10% tax and all you get is T1 frigates, cruisers and mods given back that you have probably mined for to boot! If you're going to post a misinformed, pointless troll, at least do it with your main Just shows what a **** you are mate which we all know. This is my main! Oh and how about choosing and original name as well you mindless fool!
Sigmorhair	Posted - 2006.03.01 00:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Eyeshadow Originally by: Calenth Technically speaking, just to clarify, that space is claimed by the Five, and the "OSS Alliance" is an alliance of those corps that rent from [5] in one way or another, either by providing defensive manpower, money, mineral support, what have you. Th is is also a reason for the NBSI policy OSS operates under. In other words, you suck roids for the five, so are in essence, Five's mining slaves. w00t Shouldn't you be busy doctoring up your killboard rather than trolling?
Treylis	Posted - 2006.03.01 01:39:00 - [31] Originally by: Eyeshadow In other words, you suck roids for the five, so are in essence, Five's mining slaves. w00t I made my first billion when my character was less than a month old, and I became a multibillionare around month two. If I'm a mining slave, then it's a pretty damned cushy arrangement.
Trepkos	Posted - 2006.03.01 02:14:00 - [32] Goonfleet ATTACK -------- Angel Deep Wing
Admiral Angst	Posted - 2006.03.01 04:04:00 - [33] Originally by: Trepkos Goonfleet ATTACK That's awesome. Hey, whatever works right?
Trepkos	Posted - 2006.03.01 04:07:00 - [34] Originally by: Admiral Angst Originally by: Trepkos Goonfleet ATTACK That's awesome. Hey, whatever works right? Ofcourse. -------- Angel Deep Wing
Shuttle Seller	Posted - 2006.03.01 07:57:00 - [35] Originally by: Trepkos Goonfleet ATTACK 10 Check for enemy conquerable stations/destroyable POSes 20 If found destroy 30 If not troll and attention ***** impotently on the forums 40 goto 10
Trooper B99	Posted - 2006.03.01 08:23:00 - [36] Goonfleet and likewise corps pay a tithe/fee (in their cases minerals from whats been said) to be allowed to operate in claimed space under some kind of umbrella "protection". Nothing big, nothing fancy and certainly nothing special in this game. Originally by: Sigmorhair Shouldn't you be busy doctoring up your killboard rather than trolling? sighs Take the killboard trolling nonsense elsewhere please, if you have evidence of the MC doing anything like that please bring it to our attention at the MC forums. Simply put, put up or shut up. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Sigmorhair	Posted - 2006.03.01 08:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Trooper B99 Goonfleet and likewise corps pay a tithe/fee (in their cases minerals from whats been said) to be allowed to operate in claimed space under some kind of umbrella "protection". Nothing big, nothing fancy and certainly nothing special in this game. Originally by: Sigmorhair Shouldn't you be busy doctoring up your killboard rather than trolling? sighs Take the killboard trolling nonsense elsewhere please, if you have evidence of the MC doing anything like that please bring it to our attention at the MC forums. Simply put, put up or shut up. Stop being an idiot. If you don't like people making remarks about your killboard and it's lack of accuracy, you can ask your members not to troll here - and you can fix it. It's a bit rich calling people out as trolls when your retarded corpmate made the first troll post in an otherwise friendly thread and got called on it. Stop being such a hypocrite.
Trooper B99	Posted - 2006.03.01 08:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Sigmorhair killboard discussion Take it to the MC forums with the specified problems or contact us ingame, we're not discussing it here as it's against the rules. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Sigmorhair	Posted - 2006.03.01 08:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Trooper B99 Originally by: Sigmorhair killboard discussion Take it to the MC forums with the specified problems or contact us ingame, we're not discussing it here as it's against the rules. You shouldn't have asked about it then. And trolling is against the rules as well, but it didn't stop your corpmate and a couple other people from wrecking the thread.
Yorda	Posted - 2006.03.01 10:08:00 - [40] Edited by: Yorda on 01/03/2006 10:11:59 nevermind I found them.
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.03.01 11:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Sigmorhair You shouldn't have asked about it then. And trolling is against the rules as well, but it didn't stop your corpmate and a couple other people from wrecking the thread. Sig, this is not the place. Responding to trolls in a likewise fasion only makes things worse. Our killboards are hardly bug free, and I am sure they will address any issues you may have if you talk to them privately. Please stop trolling. Unfortunately with a corp the size of Goonfleet you always get a few morons who think they are forum kings and acting like a jackass on the forums is cool. It is VERY hard to deal with people like this. Anyway, there are very few pirates in Lower Syndicate other than those who camp the chokepoints. Past the chokepoints 99% of the people you meet are not pirates, but most will shoot at you unless you have negotiated some form of NAP with their corp/organisation.

Zhuge Liang	Posted - 2006.03.01 18:18:00 - [42] Thread cleaned, don't troll and no comments / discussions about killboards/killmails. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected] Any mod that hijacks my sig will be molested while afk on irc! -zhuge MUHAHAHAH you think thats a deterrent?!?! - Ductoris

ZombyDog	Posted - 2006.03.01 19:32:00 - [43] Edited by: ZombyDog on 01/03/2006 19:35:49 I've noticed that a lot of people seem harshly critical of Goonfleet's situation within Syndicate, and I'm not sure if its because of our affiliation with the .5. in particular or just because we have been paying a "tithe" to live where we do or something else entirely. From what I gather our situation is hardly unique and it has to be appreciated that our growth as a corp would not have been possible without it. We still have a long way to go in maturing as a corp ( It is still very young in the grand scheme of things ) and Syndicate has been a great fast track to help getting there. I shudder to think how we would have faired if we stayed in empire given that we have a broad range of player types and skill levels. A point that shouldn't be lost is that OSS/Goonfleet live in Syndicate but we are not Syndicate by any means. 3FA have a sizeable holding and they as dont maintain a NBSI ( Not Blue Shoot It ) policy and as long as you are respectful in their territory you should be safe in the space they occupy. The small section of Syndicate informally claimed by the .5. and in which OSS reside as caretakers ( The term slave really doesn't fit - we are tenants ) is a dead end constellation with a pipe of systems leading to it. There is little reason for anyone one to come to visit unless they mean to cause us harm and we have to maintain an NBSI policy to keep it secure from hostiles. Other Corps and Alliances live in Syndicate as well and have informally claimed parts as their own. Yes there is a fair bit of friction where communications break down and there are certainly Pirates that like to operate in the trade routes through Syndicate so one can assmue that it isn't safe to travel through or attempt to settle in without prior discussion with its inhabitants. Syndicate is truly lawless and there is none of the stability of a region that is entirely controlled by a single Alliance. And if you ask any of us living here - thats the way we like it.
DenBrown	Posted - 2006.10.08 09:54:00 - [44] READ THIS!
DenBrown	Posted - 2006.10.08 09:56:00 - [45] READ THIS!
TuRtLe HeAd The Bratwurst Burglars	Posted - 2006.10.09 10:26:00 - [46] syndicate is unclaimable, its basically 0.0 Genesis. it has at least 1 if not 3 stations in over 75% of the region. Theres no conquerable stations, its also under the soverignty of Intaki syndicate. it got about 30 entrances to it. And millions of corps/alliances in the area. it should Not appear on the eve maps . Its also a Hole.

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