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DutchGunner
Direct Support Initiative
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Posted - 2013.12.01 22:48:00 -
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Greetings fellow capsuleers and readers of this summit,
This broadcast will cover the current findings of the research project Tranquility. This research project has been started to get a better understanding of the Sansha technology and to look for a way to prevent their current Incursions.
The first part of the findings are related to the ships and tactics that are employed by the Sansha forces in a Incursion area. The published information from The Synenose Accord has been a big help for this. All the information that will be published in this broadcast can be found freely. The project has been working on connecting the different types of information together to come to these findings.
The overall attributes of the ships employed in the Incursions shows a distinct purpose for each ship class. Though they often share a similar hull design, they will have completely different attributes based on their intended purpose. What is remarkable is that the resistance to the different damage types are equal across the board. While this makes them stronger as individual ships, it also allows for a specific targeting priority when fighting the Incursion forces. No actual ship information has been retrievable as the deployed ships are incomparable to the reverse engineered ship classes for capsuleer use. Scanner and salvage attempts at the destroyed ships have not given any additional insights. Perhaps this was intentionally done to avoid the technology behind the ships to fall into empire or capsuleer hands.
An absolute marvel of starship construction is the Revenant class mothership. It has a huge shield resistance and a vast amount of shield for protection. It's defenses are immunity to electronic warfare and a vast amount of fighter bombers. The only reason why interdictors are not needed to avoid the Revenant flagship of each incursion to run, is that it's the lynchpin of each Incursion. Upon the destruction of the Revenant, each incursion will end. This leads to the theory that the Revenant in each incursion is needed to allow for additional forces to be deployed into the area and to effective coordinate the Incursion.
The biggest question that remains is how the Sansha are able to sustain the losses they suffer. At the outbreak of the incursions and the abduction of planet population no one knew anything about the motive behind it. The fact that DNA samples of the crew would be present on reinforcements was also a big surprise. It seems obvious now that after the abductions, the abducted population has received implants based on sleeper technology. The very same implants that have been used for the creation of DUST mercenary forces. This would also be an explanation how the abducted population could perform the various tasks on starships without having ever received any training. It would seem that just as for us capsuleers, the skills can be uploaded and trained into the brain through the sleeper based implants.
How the Sansha are able to perform their Incursions have proven to be a very difficult subject. Considering the vulnerability to gravimetric ecm would indicate that the technology behind the wormholes to allow the incursion forces to be deployed is based on either gravimetric or gravitational equipment or manipulation. I believe at this time that the technology might be similar to how we operate our warp travel. Instead of pushing an object forward to a destination, a vacuum is created that sucks the object towards a destination. This theory seems to be supported by the Jove technology that allows for a better navigation between two different points in space.
I also believe that the sleepers have a role. I am currently unable to retrieve the actual logs, but a capsuleer was informed by a/the awakened infomorph that the Sansha were not creating the wormholes. As proof the capsuleer was invited to follow a/the awakened informorph to find a new wormhole on the very same location he arrived. This would suggest that a cooperation between the Sansha and Sleepers would be in order. This is most troubling indeed and needs further investigation.
My current theory is that the recovered Jovian technology is placed inside or part of the Revenant in each Incursion that allows for additional forces to be deployed. The Revenant would also be one if not the first ship to arrive to establish the needed passage. Considering the size and resilience of the design it would be able to make the first and less stable passage based on earlier deployed assets during end of the initial outbreak in Incursions. The deployed assets are expected to function as a triangulation for the Revenant to arrive and establish a uplink with the deployed assets. This would then allow for a pinpoint and more stable route between where the Incursion forces are gathered and the intended Incursion target.
Apologies for any lacking scientific explanations. I am not a scientist and I have done my best to understand the feedback I have received from the scientists working on this project and what I've been able to find in logs and documentation. During the following weeks trials will be performed to see if the basic theories that I've come up with and had tested as feasible or true.
Regards,
DutchGunner CEO of the Direct Support Initiative CONCORD Loyalist |

Dreygun
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.02 14:49:00 -
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Quote:I also believe that the sleepers have a role. I am currently unable to retrieve the actual logs, but a capsuleer was informed by a/the awakened infomorph that the Sansha were not creating the wormholes. As proof the capsuleer was invited to follow a/the awakened informorph to find a new wormhole on the very same location he arrived. This would suggest that a cooperation between the Sansha and Sleepers would be in order. This is most troubling indeed and needs further investigation.
Yes this is supported by my research as well. It is hard however to track down the precise conversation between the pilot and the infomorph. The idea that sleepers are in anyway invovled in Sansha travel methods is disturbing, but more than anything it returns me to my previous questions about the nature of sleeper intelligence. If they are in fact aiding the Sansha then the obvious question would be why they are not present with drones during incursions?
I would very much like to get my hands on the logs for for all encounters with the awakened informorph, if anyone can aide me in that research. |

Yu Tasogare
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:10:00 -
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Considering I have an extreme dislike of Sansha and his little Nation, any info on that madman's incursions and how they are done is welcome. so thank you Dutch. |

Logan Joriksa
Shockwave Unlimited SteRoid.
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Posted - 2013.12.02 18:20:00 -
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DutchGunner wrote:What is remarkable is that the resistance to the different damage types are equal across the board.
From details shared with numerous capsuleers and personal experiences in combating Sleepers, I believe it is worth noting that this trait extends to Sleepers as well. A convenient coincidence?
I look forward to your next report and I will be following this project with interest! Best of luck! Part of the Ship, Part of the Crew. |

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
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Posted - 2013.12.02 18:51:00 -
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This area of inquiry is to be applauded.
The ongoing threat to the entire cluster is the type of thing that should be a major priority. Please keep us up to date as things proceed. Humanity must form an impenetrable barricade against these programmable monstrosities.
In fact a capsuleer "Incursion" into the heart of Sansha space to eliminate this plague once and for all should be organized. It is time to hunt the predators in their den. "Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |

Yu Tasogare
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
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Posted - 2013.12.02 19:33:00 -
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Slaver Filth wrote:This area of inquiry is to be applauded.
The ongoing threat to the entire cluster is the type of thing that should be a major priority. Please keep us up to date as things proceed. Humanity must form an impenetrable barricade against these programmable monstrosities.
In fact a capsuleer "Incursion" into the heart of Sansha space to eliminate this plague once and for all should be organized. It is time to hunt the predators in their den. I couldn't agree with you more. However, it's probably easier said than done... |

DutchGunner
Direct Support Initiative
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Posted - 2013.12.02 19:59:00 -
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I thank you for the current feedback that seems to confirm at least part of the current theories that have originated from this project. However I would like to stress that this project and DIRSI do not support any military actions against the Sansha Nation in it's own territory. The project is only focused on understanding the technology behind the current Incursions and to find a way to stop the Incursions not to destroy or invade the Sansha Nation.
Regards,
DutchGunner CEO of the Direct Support Initiative CONCORD Loyalist |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1064
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:12:00 -
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Clone Troopers have Sleeper tech implants?
Really? |

DutchGunner
Direct Support Initiative
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:40:00 -
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I can appreciate good sarcasm miss Gesakaarin, it usually makes me chuckle.
I am not stating that this report is a breakthrough. However it does connect several dots of information that seems to be related to each other and is rather scattered and fractured at this time.
Regards,
DutchGunner CEO of the Direct Support Initiative CONCORD Loyalist
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1066
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Posted - 2013.12.03 21:51:00 -
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Then you'd be able to provide third-party, independently verifiable research data that does in fact provide incontrovertible proof that the providence of Clone Trooper implants are Sleeper technology?
Unless it's just supposition? |
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:05:00 -
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Miss Gesakaarin, the Implants Clone Troopers recieve are based on retrieved sleeper technology. While they are not Sleeper implants by the strict meaning, it's well known it involves sleeper tech to make them work as it does. This information can be found on the Dust Mercenary Infoboards. To clarify, the implants are based on sleeper tech, but are not ripped from the wrecks of sleeper themselves. To elaborate on this: the implants are made by the four nations and various unaligned factions, integrating sleeper tech because it works, but we don't know why it works like that, let alone how it does. Over 17.000 New Arrivals at the Aurora Arcology! Latest Top Newsfeed: Jita Traffic Control protests against Capsuleer Tent-Cities! |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1066
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:22:00 -
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Then there should no doubt be a Galnet accessible resource verifying such, no? |

Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:38:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Then there should no doubt be a Galnet accessible resource verifying such, no?
I suppose it's okay to be lazy when others do the work for you.
"This technology was being used to create a new breed of soldier, who would not suffer from the pains of death, who would not know fear or pain or loss. It was initially created using salvage from beyond the wormholes, though we have developed our own variant since then."
-Eran
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
636
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:53:00 -
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I heard from some dusters, that they actually feel the pain, when they are hit. Or they were just pulling leg to look much braver than they are?..
Anyway, from my opinion, lack of pain in a combat situation would be befuddling, it will be like... feeling yourself not alive, dead, or being stuck in the unending dream, where you can't wake up... |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1066
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Posted - 2013.12.03 22:56:00 -
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Excellent.
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DutchGunner
Direct Support Initiative
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:10:00 -
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Miss Gesakaarin,
Project Tranquility is not about making wild queses to fill a gap in information and then try to make it believable. We do our research properly before publishing any findings.
Thank you mister Minto for providing a feed to the broadcast from President Roden.
Regards,
DutchGunner CEO of the Direct Support Initiative CONCORD Loyalist |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1066
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:16:00 -
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DutchGunner wrote:
Project Tranquility is not about making wild queses to fill a gap in information and then try to make it believable. We do our research properly before publishing any findings.
This is the IGS, everything has to be taken with disbelief and skepticism.
It's nothing personal, but when anyone and everyone tends to claim this or that, I find it's a good instinct to remain incredulous at first until proven otherwise.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:32:00 -
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DutchGunner wrote:The biggest question that remains is how the Sansha are able to sustain the losses they suffer. At the outbreak of the incursions and the abduction of planet population no one knew anything about the motive behind it. The fact that DNA samples of the crew would be present on reinforcements was also a big surprise.
You might want to run those DNA samples through a comparison between ships. I suspect you might find the same DNA showing up in on several different ships at once. Next logical evolution of a massmind ... well, you get the point.
Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

Constantin Baracca
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:26:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Then there should no doubt be a Galnet accessible resource verifying such, no? I suppose it's okay to be lazy when others do the work for you. "This technology was being used to create a new breed of soldier, who would not suffer from the pains of death, who would not know fear or pain or loss. It was initially created using salvage from beyond the wormholes, though we have developed our own variant since then." -Eran
So the Caldari had them, the Federation had them, apparently he said the Matari had them...
... Just waiting for that last shoe to drop. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
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Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
540
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Posted - 2013.12.04 07:39:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I heard from some dusters, that they actually feel the pain, when they are hit. Or they were just pulling leg to look much braver than they are?..
Anyway, from my opinion, lack of pain in a combat situation would be befuddling, it will be like... feeling yourself not alive, dead, or being stuck in the unending dream, where you can't wake up...
It might register as a different kind of pain than what you or I would feel, though, Diana. More like an indication that they have been hit to alert them to that.
But being unable to feel any pain at all, yeah, would be more of a liability. Some kind of pain is a good thing, lets you know when its time to get some medical nanos in you to avoid a unpleasant case of death. Not that death stops a duster much.
We as Capsuleers tend to die in only one fashion - having our egg cracked and brain flashfried in the scan process. With a Duster, though (and we have at least one here on IGS) they may remember all the times they've been shot, stabbed, blown to bits, run down by vehicles, or forgot to engage their inertial brake when jumping out of an MCC.
Thats gotta suck. Nothing Personal - Just Business...
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Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
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Posted - 2013.12.04 07:57:00 -
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Clone Mercs do in fact feel pain, the pain of wounds, the pain of slow or fast death. It is a price they must endure to walk around outside of capsules. We experience the emotional pain of losing our baseline crews when we get podded. "Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |

Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
180
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Posted - 2013.12.04 09:57:00 -
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Slaver Filth wrote:Clone Mercs do in fact feel pain, the pain of wounds, the pain of slow or fast death. It is a price they must endure to walk around outside of capsules. We experience the emotional pain of losing our baseline crews when we get podded.
Oh yea, how do you know this? Going to claim you're also a clone trooper in addition to all the other titles you cling to?
-Eran |

Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
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Posted - 2013.12.04 19:02:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Slaver Filth wrote:Clone Mercs do in fact feel pain, the pain of wounds, the pain of slow or fast death. It is a price they must endure to walk around outside of capsules. We experience the emotional pain of losing our baseline crews when we get podded. Oh yea, how do you know this? Going to claim you're also a clone trooper in addition to all the other titles you cling to? -Eran Ah the little hunting animal snaps maliciously at the heels of a master again, sit! Down boy!
I employed a technique you with your lack of social graces are no doubt unfamiliar with, I sat down and had a conversation with clone mercs about their experiences in combat and dying. A hunting animal such as yourself can not be expected to understand such things I know. You are damned by your genetics to just follow your training, and you were trained poorly.
The little slave boy who dreams he is Amarrian, you are so pathetic it is laughable.
Now run along and troll elsewhere your childish prattling in boring.
"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.12.05 03:11:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Then you'd be able to provide third-party, independently verifiable research data that does in fact provide incontrovertible proof that the providence of Clone Trooper implants are Sleeper technology?
Unless it's just supposition?
The first generation Clone Troopers had implants of sleeper origin implanted in them. It was however discovered they were to unstable and implants derived from that technology was used instead. |

Blaise Cadelanne
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.12.05 21:59:00 -
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Arkady Vachon wrote:Diana Kim wrote:I heard from some dusters, that they actually feel the pain, when they are hit. Or they were just pulling leg to look much braver than they are?..
Anyway, from my opinion, lack of pain in a combat situation would be befuddling, it will be like... feeling yourself not alive, dead, or being stuck in the unending dream, where you can't wake up... It might register as a different kind of pain than what you or I would feel, though, Diana. More like an indication that they have been hit to alert them to that. But being unable to feel any pain at all, yeah, would be more of a liability. Some kind of pain is a good thing, lets you know when its time to get some medical nanos in you to avoid a unpleasant case of death. Not that death stops a duster much. We as Capsuleers tend to die in only one fashion - having our egg cracked and brain flashfried in the scan process. With a Duster, though (and we have at least one here on IGS) they may remember all the times they've been shot, stabbed, blown to bits, run down by vehicles, or forgot to engage their inertial brake when jumping out of an MCC. Thats gotta suck.
I have spoken with dusters, they do indeed remember every death, whether it be shot, stabbed, run down, or even suit failure during inertial braking. These experiences add up. We as capsuleers feel the emotional loss of our crews, when our ship is destroyed around us, and even we know that momentary fear as the egg cracks that the neural scanner may fail. For a duster the sheer variety of death can lead to madness. I believe that is one of the worst things about ground combat. When one dies in every way imaginable, and is some ways that are not, what is to stop them from just killing everyone and everything to prevent another death? Blaise Cadelanne The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |
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