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Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 11:51:00 - [1] - Quote I heard long long ago Tranquility has an option of Chinese( but don't know the exact period) and concealed it later. I wonder if it is due to the agency agreement of Serenity in China? Frankly speaking, as is known to me, actually many "good"( here means real hardcore,not bots, noobs,farmers which are hated by all players on the earth) Chinese are very willing to play with all players from all over the world just because the languistic obstruction baffles them. EVE now has English,Russian,German and even Japanese(THIS IS NOT A DISCRIMINATION! Just point out that There are much fewer players from Japan than from China but they still have a customized language system.) As a Chinese player, I feel very sad about this because the majority of Chinese players can not have a chance to use their talents and skills to earn people's trust, to earn people's respect, to eliminate the unfair racial discrimination on Chinese players just because most farmers and RMT organizers are Chinese( As a true player, I HATE THEM just like you !). So I want to know the main reason for this. Thank you warm-hearted guys More details if possible.
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1194	Posted - 2013.12.02 12:02:00 - [2] - Quote Which Chinese? High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 12:18:00 - [3] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Which Chinese? Chinese language
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Warfare Corp. 263	Posted - 2013.12.02 12:20:00 - [4] - Quote can you go on our server as a chines player living china? or are it all from china ppl living in other countrys that login here? edit: btw there is also no option for my mother language , as in my post im really shittie with eglish but its not hard to learn the game english to work you way trough new eden. The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Gealbhan Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 490	Posted - 2013.12.02 12:31:00 - [5] - Quote Grace Olivia wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Which Chinese? Chinese language They mean which dialect: Jiangxinese, Mandarin, Hakka etc.
Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 12:36:00 - [6] - Quote Lugalbandak wrote: can you go on our server as a chines player living china? or are it all from china ppl living in other countrys that login here? edit: btw there is also no option for my mother language , as in my post im really shittie with eglish but its not hard to learn the game english to work you way trough new eden. Yes, there is no problem with the connection and the payment. Without an option of Chinese is pretty fine with me. For your country , French and all other western countries, English is not your native language, but it is widely used in your daily life so you have many many chances to speak it, whatever willing or forced. But The situations in China are kind of different. Only people with very good education or who once majored in English have the ability to communicate in English. And do you have an idea how many Chinese players are on Severity Server? About 3-4 times as big as Goonswarm regardless of inactive players!
Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 12:37:00 - [7] - Quote Gealbhan wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Which Chinese? Chinese language They mean which dialect: Jiangxinese, Mandarin, Hakka etc. sorry lol....forgive me. of course Mandarin
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Warfare Corp. 263	Posted - 2013.12.02 13:17:00 - [8] - Quote Grace Olivia wrote: Lugalbandak wrote: can you go on our server as a chines player living china? or are it all from china ppl living in other countrys that login here? edit: btw there is also no option for my mother language , as in my post im really shittie with eglish but its not hard to learn the game english to work you way trough new eden. Yes, there is no problem with the connection and the payment. Without an option of Chinese is pretty fine with me. For your country , French and all other western countries, English is not your native language, but it is widely used in your daily life so you have many many chances to speak it, whatever willing or forced. But The situations in China are kind of different. Only people with very good education or who once majored in English have the ability to communicate in English. And do you have an idea how many Chinese players are on Severity Server? About 3-4 times as big as Goonswarm regardless of inactive players! k , so about 120k , i have no problems myself seeing chinese chit chat all over , see russian chit chat also all over. So what you saying basicly with chinese language ingame we would have lot of more ppl seeing online on TQ? o/ The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1195	Posted - 2013.12.02 13:19:00 - [9] - Quote Grace Olivia wrote: Gealbhan wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Which Chinese? Chinese language They mean which dialect: Jiangxinese, Mandarin, Hakka etc. sorry lol....forgive me. of course Mandarin Oh sorry can't help you there Im afraid High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
gfldex 670	Posted - 2013.12.02 13:39:00 - [10] - Quote CCP was required by chinese law to have a local partner that holds at least 51% of the shares. They decided against it and went with a license agreement. There where further other laws govern content in (online) games. It was a sound business decision to offload the burden of localisation (you really have to know what you do in that field) entirely to a chinese company. RMT had nothing to do with it as the farmers had arrived on TQ already. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
gfldex 670	Posted - 2013.12.02 13:45:00 - [11] - Quote Grace Olivia wrote: to earn people's trust, to earn people's respect If you play EVE well those two points should not be on the list of rewards. If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 119	Posted - 2013.12.02 13:45:00 - [12] - Quote Grace Olivia wrote: Gealbhan wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Which Chinese? Chinese language They mean which dialect: Jiangxinese, Mandarin, Hakka etc. sorry lol....forgive me. of course Mandarin Outside of China Cantonese is the most common dialect, so there is no "of course." My understanding was the separate server was directed by the Chinese government. Optic Communications is in charge of the Chinese localization, so it could be a call made by them. Maybe there is a plan to merge Serenity eventually. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook
Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:12:00 - [13] - Quote Lugalbandak wrote: k , so about 120k , i have no problems myself seeing chinese chit chat all over , see russian chit chat also all over. So what you saying basicly with chinese language ingame we would have lot of more ppl seeing online on TQ? o/ yes that means maybe there will be several thousand more active players on TQ
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1184	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:16:00 - [14] - Quote I want to run my client in the language of love. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Jove Death The Jovian Navy 224	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:16:00 - [15] - Quote Grace Olivia wrote: Lugalbandak wrote: k , so about 120k , i have no problems myself seeing chinese chit chat all over , see russian chit chat also all over. So what you saying basicly with chinese language ingame we would have lot of more ppl seeing online on TQ? o/ yes that means maybe there will be several thousand more active players on TQ Im in full agreement however CCP will have to purchase a crap ton of Icelandic TiDi hamsters for the new batch of users entering TQ Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1195	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:17:00 - [16] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: Outside of China Cantonese is the most common dialect, so there is no "of course." . +1 for this and I wish I could give you more High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:17:00 - [17] - Quote gfldex wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: to earn people's trust, to earn people's respect If you play EVE well those two points should not be on the list of rewards. no in most cases they don't. But I bet you don't know unfortunately some good-skilled players still got very unfair treatment from their corp or alliance just because they don't think Chinese players are good or worth respect. those matters are widely known among Chinese players.
Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:20:00 - [18] - Quote Jove Death wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: Lugalbandak wrote: k , so about 120k , i have no problems myself seeing chinese chit chat all over , see russian chit chat also all over. So what you saying basicly with chinese language ingame we would have lot of more ppl seeing online on TQ? o/ yes that means maybe there will be several thousand more active players on TQ Im in full agreement however CCP will have to purchase a crap ton of Icelandic TiDi hamsters for the new batch of users entering TQ Anyway in general its good for EVE to have more pilots without a hesitate and CCP will be very happy to do that.
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Warfare Corp. 263	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:20:00 - [19] - Quote Grace Olivia wrote: gfldex wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: to earn people's trust, to earn people's respect If you play EVE well those two points should not be on the list of rewards. no in most cases they don't. But I bet you don't know unfortunately some good-skilled players still got very unfair treatment from their corp or alliance just because they don't think Chinese players are good or worth respect. those matters are widely known among Chinese players. if tey can speak adn write dutch im happy to get them in my corp The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:27:00 - [20] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: Outside of China Cantonese is the most common dialect, so there is no "of course." Ahh, here it is. The plan to unite Serenity with Tranquility No need to cry discrimination etc.. My understanding is the seperate server thing is to accommodate some Chinese law. Also, the localization agreement with Optic might disallow localization in tranquility. First much obliged for the link and your explanation. But I think I have to correct one the most common mistakes----Chinese Cantonese is the most common dialect indeed, but Mandarin is the official language of China so that means every educated Chinese can speak mandarin and have a good understanding of it ,in contrary to the fact that only few people understand Cantonese regardless of it ranking first among dialects.
Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:29:00 - [21] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Iria Ahrens wrote: Outside of China Cantonese is the most common dialect, so there is no "of course." . +1 for this and I wish I could give you more oh~~ I think there is a common misunderstanding. That is not true guys.
Orravan Beautiful Losers 9	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:43:00 - [22] - Quote Grace Olivia wrote: gfldex wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: to earn people's trust, to earn people's respect If you play EVE well those two points should not be on the list of rewards. no in most cases they don't. But I bet you don't know unfortunately some good-skilled players still got very unfair treatment from their corp or alliance just because they don't think Chinese players are good or worth respect. those matters are widely known among Chinese players. A good player is a good player in any case. There's probably running jokes or misconceptions about chinese players (as for any other country by the way), but when it comes to skill, gameplay and personality, it's in everyone's sight, so the nationality doesn't matter at all. If it does, it just mean that you're playing with xenophobic idiots, and should move on to a corp/alliance where people are not that blunt and narrowminded. Finicky diplomat. Suicidal explorer. Faithful ally.
Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:49:00 - [23] - Quote Orravan wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: gfldex wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: to earn people's trust, to earn people's respect If you play EVE well those two points should not be on the list of rewards. no in most cases they don't. But I bet you don't know unfortunately some good-skilled players still got very unfair treatment from their corp or alliance just because they don't think Chinese players are good or worth respect. those matters are widely known among Chinese players. A good player is a good player in any case. There's probably running jokes or misconceptions about chinese players (as for any other country by the way), but when it comes to skill, gameplay and personality, it's in everyone's sight, so the nationality doesn't matter at all. If it does, it just mean that you're playing with xenophobic idiots, and should move on to a corp/alliance where people are not that blunt and narrowminded. Thanks.
Chinwe Rhei Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2013.12.02 14:57:00 - [24] - Quote While i understand your point of view i think the issue is one of Buisness. CCP was required by Chinese authorities to have a local hosted version of EvE to do buisness in China. That chinese partener of CCP is the one that runs Serenity. Their own contract with that chinese partener probably also requires that CCP doesn't compete for chinese players with them, by advertising Tranquility in China, or making a chinese client. Also unfortunatly EvE was not as popular in Asia (either China or Japan) as CCP hoped, because it seems asian people in general aren't into dark and gritty sci-fi as much as westeners, they seem to prefer more heroic fantasy games, or bright sci-fi like anime. A third problem is that Tranquility is i think about twice as expensive as Serenity to play, so maybe the average Chinese player wouldn't want to pay for it even if it was in Chinese.
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 770	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:38:00 - [25] - Quote Grace Olivia wrote: to eliminate the unfair racial discrimination on Chinese players Take a few seconds to remember why Serenity actually exists in the first place...
Ramona McCandless Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1207	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:23:00 - [26] - Quote Grace Olivia wrote: That is not true guys. Your definition of China may be different to that of British Chinese And Republic of Taiwan (RoC) Chinese So thats fair enough High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 1133	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:29:00 - [27] - Quote Isn't this discussion about Chinese dialects a bit off-topic? You are talking about a game, i.e. about the localization of written language. And as far as I (as someone who has no idea about Chinese at all) am aware written Cantonese etc is a really modern fad, the written language has always been Mandarin (just like the written language to the spoken Romance languages was Latin).
Inxentas Ultramar Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition 771	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:56:00 - [28] - Quote The guy implementing character sets would care because the Chinese one is HUGE. Though I would say it's not that huge to make font distribution along with other languages a size problem per s+¬. You might run into other UI issues to which the Chinese client is probably custom-tailored. Just an educated guess from a webdeveloper. Thank god for UTF-8.
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 1955	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:04:00 - [29] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: Gealbhan wrote: Grace Olivia wrote: Ramona McCandless wrote: Which Chinese? Chinese language They mean which dialect: Jiangxinese, Mandarin, Hakka etc. sorry lol....forgive me. of course Mandarin Outside of China Cantonese is the most common dialect, so there is no "of course." Mandarin is the sole official language of China. So there sort of is an "of course."
Grace Olivia Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.12.03 01:19:00 - [30] - Quote Vera Algaert wrote: Isn't this discussion about Chinese dialects a bit off-topic? You are talking about a game, i.e. about the localization of written language. And as far as I (as someone who has no idea about Chinese at all) am aware written Cantonese etc is a really modern fad and the written language has always been Mandarin (just like the written language to the spoken Romance languages continued to be Latin). Who cares whether people speak Cantonese if Mandarin is what they read and write? EVE isn't exactly known for having fancy voice-overs. Thx for your understanding. I think the topic about Chinese dialects should stop. This is off-topic and meaningless. Anyone who has learnt about Chinese will have no arguement on this.

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