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Yu Tasogare
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:02:00 -
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I have to admit over these past two weeks... it's nice being a capsuleer. I remember the first time I went into the capsule: I was nervous that I'd suffer from wet grave or mind-lock. however, after I got into the capsule for the first time, I felt free for the first time. truly free. I'm not going to lie, I have in missions killed a fair amount of people... but as unfortunate as that is, this sort of thing happens. I just hope I don't grow to actually enjoy killing... I just view it as a means to an end, with said end being making ISK. |
Ava Starfire
Stormcrows
1305
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:04:00 -
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Oh look. Another. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Driselle
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:15:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Oh look. Another. Give the young man a break, Ava. We all had to start somewhere. At least he's not going on about a wrong that needs righted or how he's gonna clean up the corruption in the system. Or bite the heads off puppies. Minmatar Miner (and part of a consortium of the same) |
DeadRow
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
146
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:15:00 -
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"I, sadly, have killed a fuckton of people.. but I wanted to get paid so whatever!"
Welcome to space, Pilot. |
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
162
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:21:00 -
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I woke up this morning as well, quite abruptly so when I stumbled out of my hammock and fell down into a stream.
Welcome to space dude, don't let the whole capsuleer thing get to your head though.
I got into this with the intention to promote peace and love. I never thought I'd end up fighting as much as I do now, but fight for a cause. I've got something I want to keep safe now, and I won't hesitate to pull the trigger to keep things safe. I found that the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Fly free.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1842
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:25:00 -
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Captain Tasogare, you ought to look up the public bio of a capsuleer named Scherezad. It is a poem.
I think it's the sort of poem you ought to be reading.
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2517
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:48:00 -
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I've read it, and interpreted it as a call for honesty. So many pilots try - in vain - to rationalize their body count and shift the blame. I know I'm guilty of that one.
Frankly, it's refreshing to see the brutal honesty of the statement "I've killed for money, but I don't really care. So long as I don't actually enjoy it I'm probably doing okay." that's an attitude to admire, I think - we're never going to accomplish anything if we wallow in self-hatred and doubt.
Capsuleers are killers. Whether we're arms merchants making money off the industry of war, or the soldiers, mercenaries and commanders doing the actual fighting, or a hybrid of both, we live on death. If you can't tolerate that fact, you shouldn't be a capsuleer. If you can, then own up to it and remain brutally, uncomfortably aware of it. It may not make you feel very good about yourself, but I'd personally prefer to be honest and faintly guilty than comfortable in my delusion and denial. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Shiori Shaishi
Terpalen Trading Corporation
64
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Posted - 2013.12.02 15:56:00 -
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Unless, as in legends, your tears can restore the dead to life, it makes ultimately very little difference whether you cry your eyes out or laugh coldly at the dead left in your wake. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2517
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:02:00 -
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To the dead it makes no difference at all, that's true.
To one's own self it's important, and to the living, it might make all the difference in the worlds. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Yu Tasogare
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:03:00 -
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thank you stitcher. i'm not gonna delude myself thinking I'm some "hero". our buisiness is war for the most part. whether it be small or big. the only ones i can think of that don't do such things are explorers and even then that's a big if. besides, it's human nature to fight, is it not? that being said, i don't enjoy killing, far from it. i feel the guilt, but i slog on through it. the day where fighting isn't needed anymore is the day I gladly will hang up my Drake, and turn to more peaceful pursuits. |
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Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
3578
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:15:00 -
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Protect yourself and the people you care about. Disregard everyone and everything else.
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Yu Tasogare
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
0
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:17:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Protect yourself and the people you care about. Disregard everyone and everything else.
i plan on doing just that Anslo. |
Zenito
Clan Katanga Caravan
27
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:34:00 -
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That's decent honesty, Tasogare.
Unfortunately, the capsuleer's business is always war. Even the most humble industrialist or explorer indirectly arms ships and feeds troops.
There are no saints here, only a myriad of excuses... ISK, nationalism, religion, racism, slavery... stick around, I'm sure you'll work your way through them all. |
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
427
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:47:00 -
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Yu Tasogare wrote:Anslo wrote:Protect yourself and the people you care about. Disregard everyone and everything else. i plan on doing just that Anslo. The pilot who has disregard for all those who mean nothing to him will suffer being blindsided by those he gave improper acknowledgement. The best way to protect yourself and what is important to you is through an expanded awareness, not by disregard. Space s a big place, but not so big our mind can not conceptualize it. Prioritize and be adaptable. Never be an easy kill, unless it has strategic merit. Situational awareness is the key to unlock the doors to success. In my humble opinion. "Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |
Yu Tasogare
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:52:00 -
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Slaver Filth wrote:Yu Tasogare wrote:Anslo wrote:Protect yourself and the people you care about. Disregard everyone and everything else. i plan on doing just that Anslo. The pilot who has disregard for all those who mean nothing to him will suffer being blindsided by those he gave improper acknowledgement. The best way to protect yourself and what is important to you is through an expanded awareness, not by disregard. Space s a big place, but not so big our mind can not conceptualize it. Prioritize and be adaptable. Never be an easy kill, unless it has strategic merit. Situational awareness is the key to unlock the doors to success. In my humble opinion. I'm not so short-sight that I wouldn't keep an eye on potential threats and disregard things other than those precious to me. and I firmly believe in the concept of adapting to new situations, |
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
427
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:59:00 -
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I bid you welcome pilot. Your honesty is the real coin of this realm. "Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |
Lasairiona Raske
Aurea Litai Industries Defiance Enterprises
44
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Posted - 2013.12.02 17:14:00 -
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Good morning, sunshine! |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2520
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Posted - 2013.12.02 17:44:00 -
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Slaver Filth wrote:I bid you welcome pilot. Your honesty is the real coin of this realm.
Only because ISK is a digital currency that doesn't come in coin form. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
427
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Posted - 2013.12.02 17:52:00 -
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We have all seen mighty alliances fall due to one dishonest member.
Honesty is the most valuable thing in all of EVE.
It might not always save you, but the lack of it is always fatal. "Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |
Dangirdas Bachir
Direct Support Initiative
706
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Posted - 2013.12.02 18:21:00 -
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Good morning. EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H |
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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
876
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Posted - 2013.12.02 19:32:00 -
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Dear Pilot,
Honesty is a much more difficult virtue to obtain than we would like to think and it is most certainly not this easily discerned in others.
None of us can reach into the will of another and claim to know the core of motivation. So, my words are not words of judgment, but words of caution to a new pilot.
As the pilot says, violence is his means to an end; the end being GÇ£making ISK.GÇ¥ He is concerned that he not begin to GÇ£enjoy the killing.GÇ¥ Indulge me for a few minutes to examine this.
FirstGǪ Generally, we become known by the means we use to achieve whatever ends we value. Now this is true most of the time. Let me illustrateGǪ
If you use the means of a land transport vehicle to deliver goods achieving the end that someone else has them, you are called by the means: GÇ£TruckerGÇ¥ or GÇ£Delivery man.GÇ¥ If you use deadly force to defend a country, nation, or sovereignty to the end that that entity is preserved you are often called a GÇ£SoldierGÇ¥ or GÇ£Home Guard.GÇ¥ If you teach, train, or mentor in a higher learning setting such that your students become knowledgeable and competent you are called: GÇ£TeacherGÇ¥ or GÇ£ProfessorGÇ¥ or GÇ£Instructor.GÇ¥ The person who uses mining, manufacturing, or trading to acquire ISK is called a GÇ£minerGÇ¥ or GÇ£industrialistGÇ¥ or GÇ£trader.GÇ¥
These and many, many more are examples of how we become called by the means we employ. What do we call someone who kills for money? Who hires out skills of violence to the highest paying company or faction or country? At best we call them GÇ£mercenaries.GÇ¥ At worst we call them GÇ£killers.GÇ¥ For capsuleers the line between soldier and mercenary is thin and it is usually ISK that triumphs over other values and so breaks the line.
SecondGǪ Almost always, we find fulfillment in the achievement and exercise of skill, aptitude and proficiency in the means we use towards the ends we desire. Seldom can we neatly keep a separation between the ends we desire and enjoyment or satisfaction in the means to achieve them. It is highly likely that if you love ISK you will end up loving the means you use to get it. We see this all the time.
We enjoy the GÇ£job well doneGÇ¥ as much or more than the ISK it brings. Beware pilot! If you kill for ISK you will almost certainly end up enjoying the kill! Honesty isnGÇÖt what you say here. Honesty is stopping yourself the very first time you fist pump a hearty GÇ£yes!GÇ¥ after a kill. I know of very few capsuleers who once choose to kill who can resist the pleasure, the satisfaction of it. DonGÇÖt let anyone here stroke you by calling you honest. No one here knows you well enough to say that. Want to be honest? Start by acknowledging that you will be called by the means you habitually use. Eventually, you will demonstrate your GÇ£enjoymentGÇ¥ by the things you choose to do.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Yu Tasogare
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
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Posted - 2013.12.02 19:41:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:Dear Pilot,
Honesty is a much more difficult virtue to obtain than we would like to think and it is most certainly not this easily discerned in others.
None of us can reach into the will of another and claim to know the core of motivation. So, my words are not words of judgment, but words of caution to a new pilot.
As the pilot says, violence is his means to an end; the end being GÇ£making ISK.GÇ¥ He is concerned that he not begin to GÇ£enjoy the killing.GÇ¥ Indulge me for a few minutes to examine this.
FirstGǪ Generally, we become known by the means we use to achieve whatever ends we value. Now this is true most of the time. Let me illustrateGǪ
If you use the means of a land transport vehicle to deliver goods achieving the end that someone else has them, you are called by the means: GÇ£TruckerGÇ¥ or GÇ£Delivery man.GÇ¥ If you use deadly force to defend a country, nation, or sovereignty to the end that that entity is preserved you are often called a GÇ£SoldierGÇ¥ or GÇ£Home Guard.GÇ¥ If you teach, train, or mentor in a higher learning setting such that your students become knowledgeable and competent you are called: GÇ£TeacherGÇ¥ or GÇ£ProfessorGÇ¥ or GÇ£Instructor.GÇ¥ The person who uses mining, manufacturing, or trading to acquire ISK is called a GÇ£minerGÇ¥ or GÇ£industrialistGÇ¥ or GÇ£trader.GÇ¥
These and many, many more are examples of how we become called by the means we employ. What do we call someone who kills for money? Who hires out skills of violence to the highest paying company or faction or country? At best we call them GÇ£mercenaries.GÇ¥ At worst we call them GÇ£killers.GÇ¥ For capsuleers the line between soldier and mercenary is thin and it is usually ISK that triumphs over other values and so breaks the line.
SecondGǪ Almost always, we find fulfillment in the achievement and exercise of skill, aptitude and proficiency in the means we use towards the ends we desire. Seldom can we neatly keep a separation between the ends we desire and enjoyment or satisfaction in the means to achieve them. It is highly likely that if you love ISK you will end up loving the means you use to get it. We see this all the time.
We enjoy the GÇ£job well doneGÇ¥ as much or more than the ISK it brings. Beware pilot! If you kill for ISK you will almost certainly end up enjoying the kill! Honesty isnGÇÖt what you say here. Honesty is stopping yourself the very first time you fist pump a hearty GÇ£yes!GÇ¥ after a kill. I know of very few capsuleers who once choose to kill who can resist the pleasure, the satisfaction of it. DonGÇÖt let anyone here stroke you by calling you honest. No one here knows you well enough to say that. Want to be honest? Start by acknowledging that you will be called by the means you habitually use. Eventually, you will demonstrate your GÇ£enjoymentGÇ¥ by the things you choose to do.
I know full well that people will call me killer, murderer, and a vareity of monikers that are far from desireable. that being said, one of my largest goals is to explore the wormholes that have popped up a few years back. I need to know how to fight when i explore the wormholes to defend myself from other capsuleers and sleeper drones as well as eventually fighting against Sansha and his little slaves. |
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
427
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Posted - 2013.12.02 19:53:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:Dear Pilot,
Honesty is a much more difficult virtue to obtain than we would like to think and it is most certainly not this easily discerned in others.
None of us can reach into the will of another and claim to know the core of motivation. So, my words are not words of judgment, but words of caution to a new pilot.
As the pilot says, violence is his means to an end; the end being GÇ£making ISK.GÇ¥ He is concerned that he not begin to GÇ£enjoy the killing.GÇ¥ Indulge me for a few minutes to examine this.
FirstGǪ Generally, we become known by the means we use to achieve whatever ends we value. Now this is true most of the time. Let me illustrateGǪ
If you use the means of a land transport vehicle to deliver goods achieving the end that someone else has them, you are called by the means: GÇ£TruckerGÇ¥ or GÇ£Delivery man.GÇ¥ If you use deadly force to defend a country, nation, or sovereignty to the end that that entity is preserved you are often called a GÇ£SoldierGÇ¥ or GÇ£Home Guard.GÇ¥ If you teach, train, or mentor in a higher learning setting such that your students become knowledgeable and competent you are called: GÇ£TeacherGÇ¥ or GÇ£ProfessorGÇ¥ or GÇ£Instructor.GÇ¥ The person who uses mining, manufacturing, or trading to acquire ISK is called a GÇ£minerGÇ¥ or GÇ£industrialistGÇ¥ or GÇ£trader.GÇ¥
These and many, many more are examples of how we become called by the means we employ. What do we call someone who kills for money? Who hires out skills of violence to the highest paying company or faction or country? At best we call them GÇ£mercenaries.GÇ¥ At worst we call them GÇ£killers.GÇ¥ For capsuleers the line between soldier and mercenary is thin and it is usually ISK that triumphs over other values and so breaks the line.
SecondGǪ Almost always, we find fulfillment in the achievement and exercise of skill, aptitude and proficiency in the means we use towards the ends we desire. Seldom can we neatly keep a separation between the ends we desire and enjoyment or satisfaction in the means to achieve them. It is highly likely that if you love ISK you will end up loving the means you use to get it. We see this all the time.
We enjoy the GÇ£job well doneGÇ¥ as much or more than the ISK it brings. Beware pilot! If you kill for ISK you will almost certainly end up enjoying the kill! Honesty isnGÇÖt what you say here. Honesty is stopping yourself the very first time you fist pump a hearty GÇ£yes!GÇ¥ after a kill. I know of very few capsuleers who once choose to kill who can resist the pleasure, the satisfaction of it. DonGÇÖt let anyone here stroke you by calling you honest. No one here knows you well enough to say that. Want to be honest? Start by acknowledging that you will be called by the means you habitually use. Eventually, you will demonstrate your GÇ£enjoymentGÇ¥ by the things you choose to do.
Some people say you are what you eat, and they too are wrong.
You can let what you do define you, or you can define what you do.
In EVE honesty defines itself, and hopefully you can define yourself as honest. That is the best pilot to fly with , an honest one. Perhaps you will be a skillful killer/ merc. Perhaps a skillful arms dealer/ builder. If you allow the enjoyment of the means to out weigh the ends, perhaps you'll lose your way.
Be first honest with yourself. "Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
36
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:30:00 -
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Here's some advice.
Do yourself a favor, and stay out of war zones. If you don't know where a war zone is, then ask people who do. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1064
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:09:00 -
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One day you fear the monsters in the dark, then another day you see all the body bags on the docks, the injured, and the dying without feeling and calm repose. I think it's on that day you realize that you're somewhere else now and the rest of humanity is still just right there. |
Dreygun
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.12.03 03:02:00 -
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I remember running a mission for an Amarrian slaving group, back before I left Amarr. I shot down a group of frigates who were attempting to smuggle slaves out of Amarr space. I activated a few of my on board lasers and the bright colors burned a rainbow in the space in front of me. A small flash as the reactors on the small vessel imploded. A shower of corpses dumped into space, I guess the cargo container the slaves had been in ruptured.
My first thought was annoyance at the fact that the agent almost certainly would take the costs of the lost slaves out of my commission.
Capsaleers have a warped view of life. I still see the faces of some of those lifeless corpses at night...
...I am not terribly proud of my past. |
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
427
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Posted - 2013.12.03 10:35:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:One day you fear the monsters in the dark,.......... As your lasers shred through the hull of the vessel you targeted and the burning twisting wreckage has both biomass and molten metal spilling into the darkness of space to be flash frozen in the horrific rictus of the painful death you just administered. The baseliners unlucky enough to have worked for your enemy or opponent or simply a target of opportunity will never be going home. You will salvage the wreck, harvest the biomass for whatever isk the market will provide, because you are a capsuler. A death merchant.
That day you realize you are the monster in the dark. "Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,-á we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "-á |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1065
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:00:00 -
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Slaver Filth wrote:
That day you realize you are the monster in the dark.
I never denied that I am, but just one among many.
Reflect long enough upon violence and you abandon the need for pretense or lies. Much better to be honest than to disgust myself with the affectations of the righteous.
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Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
1560
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:12:00 -
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Oh rise n' shine? Good morning Mr Tasogare!
Take Anatole's advice and take it easy. You'll do just fine.
Welcome to your new career sir. Fly safe ... or irresponsibly, depending on location I guess. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) CEO Nighthawk Exploration | Just an innocent explorer passing through-á pâä OOPE Pinup Calender applications |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
635
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:02:00 -
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Yu Tasogare wrote:I have to admit over these past two weeks... it's nice being a capsuleer. I remember the first time I went into the capsule: I was nervous that I'd suffer from wet grave or mind-lock. however, after I got into the capsule for the first time, I felt free for the first time. truly free. I'm not going to lie, I have in missions killed a fair amount of people... but as unfortunate as that is, this sort of thing happens. I just hope I don't grow to actually enjoy killing... I just view it as a means to an end, with said end being making ISK. Feeling free is... I know, how it was. Once I was thrown into a capsule and told to 'fly'. No orders, no instructions. It was very hard from the start, but I have found ideals, rules, and obligations, that made me human once again.
Freedom is a chaos and destruction. Freedom will rot your soul and can turn you into a mindless beast, roaming unlimited vastness of space with only purpose of purposeless existence.
Choose wisely, what to do. But I honestly wish you to find strength to overcome the freedom. To find bonds, that will hold you as Human. Bonds, like loyalty, duty, love, morals, obligations, codes, laws and regulations.
Choose wisely, for many roads are opened for you now. You can dedicate your life to duty, as a Citizen, Soldier and Human, or you can succumb to freedom and slowly turn yourself into wild useless animal.
Choose wisely, pilot. |
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