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Lysithea
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Posted - 2006.03.02 05:23:00 -
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CCP, adding a criminal flagging element to cargo can thievery is a great idea. I applaud you for that. But, you should have changed the flagging that goes with destroying a can in a similar way.
Right now, if I steal from a can that is not mine, the owner can come after me. That is great.
If I shoot someone else's can, Concord comes and blows me up.
The crimes are similar and the punishment should be similar. If I shoot someone else's can, let them shoot me. If Concord is going to leave it up to the players to police themselves with regard to can thievery, the same should apply for can destruction.
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Jared Flame
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Posted - 2006.03.02 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jared Flame on 02/03/2006 05:28:24
But then it would have to work the other way to
"If i can shoot that persons can without concord killing me i should be able to shoot their ship"
It doesnt work 
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Hakiem
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Posted - 2006.03.02 05:31:00 -
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Or if someone else's can shoots you and concord blows it up the owner sure is not going to be happy .
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Lysithea
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Posted - 2006.03.02 05:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Jared Flame
Edited by: Jared Flame on 02/03/2006 05:28:24
But then it would have to work the other way to
"If i can shoot that persons can without concord killing me i should be able to shoot their ship"
It doesnt work
Sure it does. You are not your can. CCP could easily change the logic. If you steal or destroy anyone's can but your own, the owner can come after you. What's so hard?
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voogru
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Posted - 2006.03.02 05:38:00 -
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I agree, killing the cans should just flag you. You can already kill the can without concord by stealing the contents.
This would be a blow to the ISK Farmers as we'd be able to kill their cans instead of dropping our own can and stealing their can, which flags us anyways.
Problem with using our own cans is we have to wait 3 minutes for each can.
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Defenzer
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Posted - 2006.03.02 05:40:00 -
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Makes sense. Why should shooting someone's can be punishable by death if stealing from it isn't? The punishment does not fit the crime. Blowing up someone's can should have the same flag as stealing from it, absolutely.
Signed.
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Rendill
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Posted - 2006.03.02 05:55:00 -
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Stupid idea. Cos then can killing could be done in inties etc, and people could fly around griefing miners all day long without fear of reprisals. In fact, only a grief causer would want this system.
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.03.02 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rendill
Stupid idea. Cos then can killing could be done in inties etc, and people could fly around griefing miners all day long without fear of reprisals. In fact, only a grief causer would want this system.
well currently a greifer in an inty can just swoop in dump it in his own can
not much of a difference
i say implement it
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Kudikai
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Posted - 2006.03.02 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen
Originally by: Rendill
Stupid idea. Cos then can killing could be done in inties etc, and people could fly around griefing miners all day long without fear of reprisals. In fact, only a grief causer would want this system.
well currently a greifer in an inty can just swoop in dump it in his own can
not much of a difference
i say implement it
Exactly. The inty pilot can currently create his own can, steal the miner's ore, and blow up his own can. This suggestion doesn't necessarily create a new grifing strategy, it just makes similar crimes similarly punishable. I'd back that Lys.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.02 07:29:00 -
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150km camping WCSing cansnipers!
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Gorgonzola
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Posted - 2006.03.02 07:36:00 -
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What about the fact that you need to get right next to a can to steal from it but can blow it up from a long way away?
Or the fact that to steal from a can you need a hauler to cause any real damage were as destroying a can with your uber pvp ship is an easy way to do the same damage?
Give miners some chance pls.
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Foobie
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Posted - 2006.03.02 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rendill
Stupid idea. Cos then can killing could be done in inties etc, and people could fly around griefing miners all day long without fear of reprisals. In fact, only a grief causer would want this system.
I totally agree. Allowing players to shoot each others cans will just increase griefing.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:32:00 -
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please give a reason why you'd legitimately want to destroy it, other than greifing.
stealing it, fine, even though I jet can mine I can accept that as a possible risk, just as people trying to blow me up and steal my stuff as a possible risk, under the principle of piracy.
wanting to blow it up outright has no legitimate reason that I can think of, other than ruining the other PLAYER's day.
.. just remember that there are real people on the other side of these characters.
(exception being a quicker way to deal with enemys at war, I can see that as being a reasonable and legitimate context to do so, if you can't already)
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bumcheekcity
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:45:00 -
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The only legit reason, other than griefing would be that you'd destroyed someones ship in a war and you didn't want his buddies grabbing his can full of phat loot. Or perhaps for macrominers/isk farmers. That would rule so much.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:00:00 -
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I find the whole idea of Concord blowing ships up and not podding the captain to be incredibly hilarious. They are ready to MURDER hundreds, even thousands of crew members, but not the one person that is responsible for the crime: The ship captain. "Whoa, he is shooting someone's cheap property! Kill his crew and destroy his equipment, but don't pod him, it's against protocol to murder elite pilots!"
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nickycakes
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:05:00 -
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its ideas like this that make ccp ignore issues that actually matter.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lysithea
CCP, adding a criminal flagging element to cargo can thievery is a great idea. I applaud you for that. But, you should have changed the flagging that goes with destroying a can in a similar way.
Right now, if I steal from a can that is not mine, the owner can come after me. That is great.
If I shoot someone else's can, Concord comes and blows me up.
The crimes are similar and the punishment should be similar. If I shoot someone else's can, let them shoot me. If Concord is going to leave it up to the players to police themselves with regard to can thievery, the same should apply for can destruction.
No. Never going to happen, ever.
Even half-asleep I can think up lots of ways to ruin the lives of people if i dont get concorded for popping their cans.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Durvaul
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lysithea
CCP, adding a criminal flagging element to cargo can thievery is a great idea. I applaud you for that. But, you should have changed the flagging that goes with destroying a can in a similar way.
Right now, if I steal from a can that is not mine, the owner can come after me. That is great.
If I shoot someone else's can, Concord comes and blows me up.
The crimes are similar and the punishment should be similar. If I shoot someone else's can, let them shoot me. If Concord is going to leave it up to the players to police themselves with regard to can thievery, the same should apply for can destruction.
Here is sumadvice
Don't shoot cans,
Dont steal cans,
Dont be an ass
and u wont get owned mmkay?
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Rendill
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Posted - 2006.03.02 10:16:00 -
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I'll reiterate, all this request serves is those wanting easier ways to grief empire miners. Even thought I don't empire mine (well very rarely) I'd be disgusted to see a change like this go through.
I'm also embarassed to be playing the same game as those who suggested it.
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2006.03.02 10:26:00 -
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For those agreed on shooting cans will flag you. This might be a great idea to "clean up" secure can that has been goddamn clogging up asteroid belts
Isanamo belts for example. It looked like some tourists dumped their trash there without bothering to clean their litter up
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.03.02 10:50:00 -
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I think it's a great idea.
Gives players the option of cleaning up the millions of abandoned secure cans in empire around belts and stations, and advertising long dead corps.
My understanding is that cans take a long time to destroy.
Its not like you hit it once and it blows up, right?
So whats the difference between shooting it and stealing it.
Nothing.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.03.02 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lysithea
CCP, adding a criminal flagging element to cargo can thievery is a great idea. I applaud you for that. But, you should have changed the flagging that goes with destroying a can in a similar way.
Right now, if I steal from a can that is not mine, the owner can come after me. That is great.
If I shoot someone else's can, Concord comes and blows me up.
The crimes are similar and the punishment should be similar. If I shoot someone else's can, let them shoot me. If Concord is going to leave it up to the players to police themselves with regard to can thievery, the same should apply for can destruction.
remember how you ppl cried for criminal flagging of cans to be implemented and remember the cries when you got it.
now think how much you will cry if this gets in.
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bumcheekcity
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Posted - 2006.03.02 10:56:00 -
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I'd actually quite like the idea. It would mean solo miners would be almost forced to gang up, or go into corps, and you'd have to fly some basic protection around 1.0 systems, it would mean less mining in really high-sec hubs, and would lead to, hopefully, a slightly increase in mineral prices as slightly less is mined. Plus, of course, it'd be the ultimate tool against ISK farmers.
*Warp in, blow up ALL their cans, laugh*
Admittedly, it would also be a great griefing tool, but hey, you'd learn to adapt.
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: bumcheekcity
I'd actually quite like the idea. It would mean solo miners would be almost forced to gang up, or go into corps, and you'd have to fly some basic protection around 1.0 systems, it would mean less mining in really high-sec hubs, and would lead to, hopefully, a slightly increase in mineral prices as slightly less is mined. Plus, of course, it'd be the ultimate tool against ISK farmers.
*Warp in, blow up ALL their cans, laugh*
Admittedly, it would also be a great griefing tool, but hey, you'd learn to adapt.
have to give cans some real hp then...otherwise you would get hippokings omgwcs150kmcansnipers...and honestly thats just griefing. otherwise there is, just like the current system, too much of an option to go up jack the can and then swap the contents without having the cargo space (mayb force people to swap things to their hold before swapping cans  you cant stack things in your own hold without having room for double the smaller stack anyway :/
it COULD be a interesting idea but way to griefable like people are saying.
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Spartan III
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Spartan III on 02/03/2006 19:06:58
Please, don't waist CCPs time on things like this. Just be a little creative and you can realize that there is a way to pop someones can and concord won't come.
Step one: Drop your own can next to theirs.
Step two: Open their can and your can at the same time.
Step three: Drag all the contents of their can directly into your can.
Step four: target your can that has their stuff in it and destroy it.
Step Five: Run like a .5. boy thats outnumbered
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Vulcanlord
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:16:00 -
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I'd like to see people of the same gang recieve no flag for blowing up cans, purely because when doing missions or complex's, you often blow up cans to keep track of the crap ones vs the ones you haven't been to yet.
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Tourquemada
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:31:00 -
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Stealing from a can is an act of theft, which Concord has allowed the owner to extract justice.
Destroying a can is an act of violence(involving weapons fire), which Concord is chartered to prohibit.
It's fine the way it is, quit griping so much!
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Lysithea
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:51:00 -
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This is what hap'd that made me bring this issue up in the first place:
I was in a complex with 2 other players. In the hours we were there, we killed hundreds of rats and created hundreds of cans. As we started sifting through them, we realized most were junk and decided it best if we just destroyed the cans we didn't need. One of the guys shot one of my cans and CONCORD rushed in to blow him up.
I didn't have a problem with him shooting my can... I wanted him to destroy it. Why should CONCORD rush in to protect the can I wanted him to pop? He should have been treated like a can thief and I should have the option to shoot at him if I wanted to. It wasn't CONCORD's business.
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Tommy TenKreds
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Defenzer
Why should shooting someone's can be punishable by death if stealing from it isn't?
Let me explain the difference by way of two example, real life scenarios;
Scenario One:
A security guard observes a shoplifter in a department store. He calls for assistance and the store security team detain the shoplifter until he can be handed over to the authorities.
Scenario Two:
A gunman enters a department store and begins firing rounds into various store displays. The police are called and, for the sake of immediate public safety, they shoot the gunman dead.
Hope you followed this.
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Brede Cleary
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lysithea
CCP, adding a criminal flagging element to cargo can thievery is a great idea. I applaud you for that. But, you should have changed the flagging that goes with destroying a can in a similar way.
Right now, if I steal from a can that is not mine, the owner can come after me. That is great.
If I shoot someone else's can, Concord comes and blows me up.
The crimes are similar and the punishment should be similar. If I shoot someone else's can, let them shoot me. If Concord is going to leave it up to the players to police themselves with regard to can thievery, the same should apply for can destruction.
Ok, I agree. The punishment should be similar. So if you steal from my can then let's have Concord come in and blow you up. |
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