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Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:32:00 -
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Cuci Cairi wrote:Are you asking for exposure simply for the sake of exposure? In this context, it would seem the individual is not what matters, but the action they perform. Why desire the celebrity of the one who committed the action? It seems like an unseemly method of attempting to counterbalance the news you do not like.
Why? Quite possibly because publicising the action while censoring the identity of the person who enacted it is a waste of time and resources when the goal is to provide a beacon of inspiration and hope to the masses.
In this context, could you explain in a little more detail what you judge unseemly about this method? O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |

Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2013.12.03 23:42:00 -
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Anslo wrote:Che, do you have anyone in mind as an award candidate? Well, actually, I would prefer someone I did not know. Someone whose work has gone unnoticed. But if that's not gonna be the case, maybe the Ishukone Corporation?
Nightmares - A short story by Ch+¬ Biko |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:21:00 -
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Unfortunately several messages did only make it through the network in such a garbled state that they where effectively unreadable. For clarity and readability, the messages in question have been omitted from this discussion.
((I have deleted several rule breaking posts and those quoting them. Please keep it on topic and in character.)) ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Erys Charantes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.04 00:22:00 -
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This gets my vote. |

Driselle
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Posted - 2013.12.04 01:30:00 -
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I've been watching the IGS ever since I returned to my pod about a month ago, and haven't seen anything but bad news. I'd fully support a return to something positive. Minmatar Miner (and part of a consortium of the same) |

Cuci Cairi
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.04 02:56:00 -
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Ollie Rundle wrote: Why? Quite possibly because publicising the action while censoring the identity of the person who enacted it is a waste of time and resources when the goal is to provide a beacon of inspiration and hope to the masses.
In this context, could you explain in a little more detail what you judge unseemly about this method?
By creating publicity and celebrity, one runs the risk of turning the actions into popularity contests. Instead of actions being performed for their own sake, a culture of celebrity and limelights can begin to outshine any work actually done - maybe even get to the point where words and celebrity alone could qualify someone to win such an award. Is this a guaranteed result? No. But it is a perpetual risk of publicity-based functions. "Unbless'd thy hand! GÇö if in this low disguise Wander, perhaps, some inmate of the skies." |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:30:00 -
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The Aidonis Foundation will need to work very hard for me to greet their return to the limelight with anything but disdain.
They can start by choosing their 'winners' more carefully. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2013.12.04 05:42:00 -
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Cuci Cairi wrote:By creating publicity and celebrity, one runs the risk of turning the actions into popularity contests. Instead of actions being performed for their own sake, a culture of celebrity and limelights can begin to outshine any work actually done - maybe even get to the point where words and celebrity alone could qualify someone to win such an award. Is this a guaranteed result? No. But it is a perpetual risk of publicity-based functions.
You're making a slippery slope argument then.
The Aidonis awards are not decided on via popular vote or publicity-based functions. The outcome is not based on who features more often in the lead-in celebrity stories of tabloid media operators. They are decided on merit by the Foundation itself and they often go to men and women that confound the popular opinion on who should receive them. They have been publically announced several times in the past and at no point did the outcome you note as a risk eventuate.
As such there seems to be little chance of it descending into the popularity contest you fear it will. These are some of the factors the slippery slope aspect of your position ignores, some of the factors which would almost certainly prevent the smooth slide from cause A to effect B.
Is it a risk? Yes, but one so negligible as to be insignificant. It is not a guaranteed result, it is not even a likely result. O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
1066
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Posted - 2013.12.04 06:55:00 -
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All too often in these dark and perilous days it is all too easy to forget those who strive not towards ignorance, but understanding; not towards fear, but courage; not towards conflict, but accord between all mankind. To forget such men and women, whose strength of conviction, moral fortitude, and ethical virtue drive them towards the pursuit of peace is to forget the best that humanity can accomplish. That is what the Aidonis prize has always sought to remind for me: the best we as humanity can accomplish.
I can thus say only that your goal is a laudable one, Mr. Biko, and it is an endeavour I support wholeheartedly. |

Cuci Cairi
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.04 15:26:00 -
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Ollie Rundle wrote:
You're making a slippery slope argument then.
The Aidonis awards are not decided on via popular vote or publicity-based functions. The outcome is not based on who features more often in the lead-in celebrity stories of tabloid media operators. They are decided on merit by the Foundation itself and they often go to men and women that confound the popular opinion on who should receive them. They have been publically announced several times in the past and at no point did the outcome you note as a risk eventuate.
As such there seems to be little chance of it descending into the popularity contest you fear it will. These are some of the factors the slippery slope aspect of your position ignores, some of the factors which would almost certainly prevent the smooth slide from cause A to effect B.
Is it a risk? Yes, but one so negligible as to be insignificant. It is not a guaranteed result, it is not even a likely result.
Certainly it is not insignificant when you commonly hear people claiming the Foundation has lost any honor or value due to their past choices. Do you not think this will affect their future decisions in an attempt to stay relevant or respectable? And this is all assuming that the performers of charity or aid are actually worthy of this kind of publicity. "Unbless'd thy hand! GÇö if in this low disguise Wander, perhaps, some inmate of the skies." |

Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
97
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Posted - 2013.12.05 07:14:00 -
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Ollie Rundle wrote: The Aidonis awards are not decided on via popular vote or publicity-based functions. The outcome is not based on who features more often in the lead-in celebrity stories of tabloid media operators. They are decided on merit by the Foundation itself and they often go to men and women that confound the popular opinion on who should receive them. They have been publically announced several times in the past and at no point did the outcome you note as a risk eventuate.
Cuci Cairi wrote:Certainly it is not insignificant when you commonly hear people claiming the Foundation has lost any honor or value due to their past choices. Do you not think this will affect their future decisions in an attempt to stay relevant or respectable?
I have highlighted those parts of my previous post that are most relevant to your query. From where I stand, your argument seems to hinge on the insignificantly small risk that a body which has never run with popular opinion will suddenly decide it is of utmost importance to their process.
O. Rundle The Synenose Accord Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated. |

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
163
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Posted - 2013.12.05 07:36:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:All too often in these dark and perilous days it is all too easy to forget those who strive not towards ignorance, but understanding; not towards fear, but courage; not towards conflict, but accord between all mankind. To forget such men and women, whose strength of conviction, moral fortitude, and ethical virtue drive them towards the pursuit of peace is to forget the best that humanity can accomplish. That is what the Aidonis prize has always sought to remind for me: the best we as humanity can accomplish.
I can thus say only that your goal is a laudable one, Mr. Biko, and it is an endeavour I support wholeheartedly. Well spoken, Gesakaarin-haani. Sentiments I share as well. |
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