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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:20:00 -
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Um they have huge attributes and the will surpass my char in no time with the 4mil sp gap i grew. this is not fair at all.
noob starting with 16 perception, thats does sound right at all, or a noob with science lvl 5 
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Adjodlo
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:25:00 -
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You sound like a noob yourself. All characters (including the new ones) are limited to 30 total attribute points. Find something else to whine about.
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Adjodlo
You sound like a noob yourself. All characters (including the new ones) are limited to 30 total attribute points. Find something else to whine about.
anyone can have 100mil sp, what im saying is that they will be able to abtain skills much more quicker than i could which in turn surpass me cuz im newer than most.
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Forumite
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Meeko Gloom
Originally by: Adjodlo
You sound like a noob yourself. All characters (including the new ones) are limited to 30 total attribute points. Find something else to whine about.
anyone can have 100mil sp, what im saying is that they will be able to abtain skills much more quicker than i could which in turn surpass me cuz im newer than most.
Maybe you didn't understand what he said.
Your beef is that the new bloodlines have "unfair stats" right?
Well they don't. All bloodlines, new and old, have a total of 30 stat points. The only thing that changes is how they're laid out between the stats. It means that while this new character may train some skills faster than you due to his high stats, he will train others much slower. That 16 stat equates to over half of his total stat points, and means that any skill using another stat will likely train more slowly than yours.
So stop whining.
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Bbllaarrgg
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Adjodlo
All characters (including the new ones) are limited to 30 total attribute points.
This chap is indeed correct, although, it has to be said some of the new bloodlines do have slightly more favourable attributes, or in the case of the achura getting science 5, better starting skills.
However it does not make much difference to training times. If you look around at some of the previous threads on this topic there were even some hard numbers worked out in relation to training times which showed this.
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Wartogg
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Forumite
Originally by: Meeko Gloom
Originally by: Adjodlo
You sound like a noob yourself. All characters (including the new ones) are limited to 30 total attribute points. Find something else to whine about.
anyone can have 100mil sp, what im saying is that they will be able to abtain skills much more quicker than i could which in turn surpass me cuz im newer than most.
Maybe you didn't understand what he said.
Your beef is that the new bloodlines have "unfair stats" right?
Well they don't. All bloodlines, new and old, have a total of 30 stat points. The only thing that changes is how they're laid out between the stats. It means that while this new character may train some skills faster than you due to his high stats, he will train others much slower. That 16 stat equates to over half of his total stat points, and means that any skill using another stat will likely train more slowly than yours.
So stop whining.
the longest skills are perc, correct?
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Hal Mondo
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:46:00 -
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its adding a new angle to the game.
life isnt fair, so get over it, or get a new alt 
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:51:00 -
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Sorry sir, we dont serve alcohol here. Plz take your whine somewhere else.
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Niki Silver
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:03:00 -
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To the OP. Even though Perception is an important attribute, any char that starts with 16 Percept is going to be a gimp IMO. All the noobs think all they need is ship skills and weapons skills, sorry but they are dead wrong.
I was looking at the option of starting another account and creating an Achura. 10 Perc, 10 Intel, 8 Will, 8 Mem, and 3 Cha sounded awful nice to me. Then I sat down and did some math and discovered that it would take this new char with 'unfair stats' at least 14 years to catch up to my main char.
So relax a lil bit. Yes, the new bloodlines have attribute distributions that are more desirable then the old ones, and they will help newer players get going quicker. This is a good thing, Eve always needs new players, mmo turnover is a high. For the game to survive it must adapt to help out the new guy.
If you are so worried about it, why don't you jsut re-roll? You said you only have 4 million SP, that is what? 3 months worth of points? Not much at all. Take advantage of the second account offer, park the new char in a station and do learning skills, etc. Then train supporting skills and such for a few months, then ditch your current char and make the other one your main, problem solved.
No offense Meeko, but in your post you are complaining about a 'noob' starting with better attributes and overtaking you within a year or so. Well I have news for you - with only 4 million points, you are still a noob yourself.
If you don't plan on playing Eve for several years then it doesn't matter anyway. If you do, then it might be worth your while to re-roll or start a second account.
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Corunna ElMan
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:04:00 -
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Not only does each bloodline have the same number of stat points, there's another reason why "fairness" doesn't apply here.
Nothing prevents you from making one of these characters for yourself.
Clear enough?
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J Dubbs
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:07:00 -
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aye if you think a new bloodline char is gonna surpass you in no time urrm make a new bloodline char as your main, problem solved XD
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Failin Zhar
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Meeko Gloom
Um they have huge attributes and the will surpass my char in no time with the 4mil sp gap i grew. this is not fair at all.
noob starting with 16 perception, thats does sound right at all, or a noob with science lvl 5
A chap with 16 perception will most likely not be a nber pvp:er. You can't really do well in pvp without many defensive skills which all go on...int. Fairly balanced stats will always be better in the long run, nuff said.
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anthonieak
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:12:00 -
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Let come got all my attributes on 23. So whats there too catch in
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:15:00 -
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Actually, the same guy that made the program to calculate optimal starting stats figured out that with the ability to unlimitedly shift stats around for a total of 30 points, 18 points in perception was the best thing you could have.
If you would calculate the training time of EVERY skill in the game, the best stats would be 1 in everything and 26 in perception.
Perception is actually really Godception for a main. Science alts, sure they benefit from int and mem and stuff, but regardless of your chosen career you WILL end up training perception skills all the time.
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Orree
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Corunna ElMan
Not only does each bloodline have the same number of stat points, there's another reason why "fairness" doesn't apply here.
Nothing prevents you from making one of these characters for yourself.
Clear enough?
QFT
I already have a number of characters and accounts and Im thinking about starting another just to try one of these new ones out.
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Unuthiel
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Unuthiel on 02/03/2006 21:20:30
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Well they don't. All bloodlines, new and old, have a total of 30 stat points.
Which would be the end of the subject, except that all attributes are hardly equal. High starting Perc/Int >all for fighters, insofar as there is any difference. All the people saying "Everyone gets 30 points" are deliberately ignoring the fact that some stats are far more useful than others. I won't switch, simply because I play Amarr for RP purposes, but the Achura monk, or the Khanid Cyber Knight can start with really high Perc/Int, which for fighting characters gives them a nice leg up.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Failin Zhar
A chap with 16 perception will most likely not be a nber pvp:er. You can't really do well in pvp without many defensive skills which all go on...int. Fairly balanced stats will always be better in the long run, nuff said.
Please stop pretending you know what you're talking about.
My char is pure pvp, around 2/3rd's of my skills are perception primary. There are only a few mil here and there devoted to defensive skills.
Perception is god.
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:25:00 -
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lmao at all you fanboys who even try and defend Achuras stats. 'They all have 30 attribute points' - yeah that would mean something if all attribute points had same weight. Don't come here telling anyone that Charisma is as useful as Perception or Intelligence. I guess it's okay as it allows newer players to catch up faster, but to say that they are balanced with the other races holds no credibility whatsoever.
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Oriana Fallaci
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:26:00 -
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I think its not really fair to tell the guy to simply scrap his old 4 million char and start anew. There should have been some sort of skill transfer option for players below say 5 million SP (possibly with some penalty).
That said, being an older player, I dont have any problems with giving the younger ones a small headstart.
Perception 16 rules and is way better than any other stat distribution for PvP, even if you go really, really heavy on ewar - the perception skills just have a much higher rank, and are requirements for most ships.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:28:00 -
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I'm amazed they kept the Science 5 starting character idea... and put it on the best new Bloodlines... which are on the ALREADY most popular race. Pretty sad really.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Perception is god.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:33:00 -
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Boo-hoo, get over it
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Calynus
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Calynus on 02/03/2006 21:37:06
I just don't understand why they made the new Gallente bloodline have so much Charisma when it's the most useless stat in the game. That's 3/3 high-Charisma gimped out bloodlines for Gallente.
I am kicking myself (hard) for roling Gallente after seeing how useless that stat is. 8 starting Charima is completely gimp. Now I have to make a choice about whether or not to keep my 1.8m SP character that's less than 2 months old, or reroll an Achura, because their initial stats are so good and so well balanced to a combat-oriented character it's stupid.
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asdfasdfad
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: asdfasdfad on 02/03/2006 21:44:02
I feel so hamfisted but theres no way im hell Im starting a new char(and Im certainly not paying for that priveledge) :p I just finished my learning skills and Im ****** if Im gonna waste another month or good money doing it again even if it means Im gonna be severely handicapped as I progress in this game. I guess Ill have to substitiute said handicap by being a sly, ballsy sob and blag my way past the scrubs :p btw my char is ZiGG Nub for some reason its posting on a deleted alt :s
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GlimmerMan
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: GlimmerMan on 02/03/2006 22:23:44
Originally by: Adjodlo
You sound like a noob yourself. All characters (including the new ones) are limited to 30 total attribute points. Find something else to whine about.
Can't be true, the Amarr > Amarr alt I created last week came out as:
8 Int
7 Per
3 Cha
15 Will
6 Mem
= 39
My base (crappy) attributes are:
7 Int
6 Per
9 Cha
11 Will
6 Mem
= 39
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:26:00 -
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It's unfair becuase not all stats are equally viable.
So a stat point in charisma is worth say .4 when wighted in relation to the amount of charisma skills in the game, Whereas Perception would be wieghted at around 1.8
PErception is a better stat then Charisma, end of discussion.
PRoposal to fix blobbing and make Charisma useful.
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:30:00 -
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Christ, now this just isnt cool.
Im still crying about giving my self lots of charisma :(
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:36:00 -
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It's not fair cuz perception is God.
It is fair because you all start at the same time.
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:38:00 -
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Where can i see what the new races/blood lines tribs will be?
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Cursed Prophet
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:42:00 -
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I'm confused guys. I'm a noob at the game and when I opened up the new character I saw Achura arent the highest base perception (caldari) the old character is. So why would this help a noob like me? I mean I just made a Achura with 12 perception and 11 int. All the other stats are like 8.. Am I missing something? I think the old character can get like 14 in perception and thats it. So where are you getting 16?
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