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Bernard IronJaw
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:07:00 -
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Is anything going to happen about Ore Thieves in this game. Me and my band of members were out doing a spot of mining when an evil looking Inquisitor floated by and nabbed some of our load. I was informed by one of my members (after I prompted him to blow the inquisitor out of the sky) that the police would attack us if we fired on him. Is this the case? If so, there should be something done about it and quickly. Else all Ore Thieves have easy pickins!
A disgruntled B. IronJaw.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:10:00 -
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sadly, yes, something will be done about it.
but until then, you could try using some secure cans..
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Grimmacker
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:12:00 -
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Hey do you have false teeth Ironjaw, your mouth looks really sucked in.
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Reluah
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:15:00 -
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well, u could declare war on there corp :P
tho, atm best suggestion is to move to lo/no sec space and mine there(as u can blow ore thiefs to eden and back without any concord coming to bust ur arse(sec lvl loss is another story tho(unless u leave empire space). Another option is to simply buy loads of secure cans and dump them into space using an indy
put a pass on them and mine while u insert stuff into the cans. and make sure an indy gets it be4 they all get full :)
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.09.05 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Asmodia on 05/09/2003 11:39:18
Edited by: Asmodia on 05/09/2003 11:38:56
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well, u could declare war on there corp :P
We did that. result: the guy who stole the ore was kicked out of the corp and the CEO paid us 10 millions for peace, because there was our fleet around their HQ :D
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.05 12:17:00 -
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This is why I demand a ransom rather than taking the cargo. My wee little Frigate can't hold that much ore (Cargo hold of about 165), but my wallet can hold lots of ISK. 
But seriously, it doesn't seem to be working so far....the people haven't paid up, so I've destroyed their containers. Simple.
Unlike a lot of Ore Thieves though, I haven't jumped to another system. I'm staying in Hodrold for as long as I can...until it gets to the point where I can barely move without some sort of Battleship sitting on me. 
Although I can see that happening fairly soon....effectively declaring war on the second largest Corp in EVE was not a smart move. 
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Asmodia
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Posted - 2003.09.05 14:57:00 -
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Although I can see that happening fairly soon....effectively declaring war on the second largest Corp in EVE was not a smart move.
Wrong ! :D Have much more targets ! More Fun ! More Money ! Total Enjoying EVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Avon
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Posted - 2003.09.05 15:04:00 -
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There are no ore thieves, you can't steal something that belongs to no-one.
"The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargohold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
This risk should be known to all players and there will be no reimbursement for ore lost this way. Also, ore "theft" is not considered harrassment so no punishment will be dealt out to those who choose to "steal". Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.
CCP has decided to meet players halfway by implementing secure containers that can be bought on the market and have the advantage of being equipped with a password lock. These containers cost money and do not hold the vast amount of ore that the regular containers do. However, with good organization and frequent ore pickups using Industrial ships, they can be very useful for large scale mining operations.
The bottom line is: If you use regular containers to store your ore you assume all the risk. Having your valuables floating in space in an unsecure container is equivelant to throwing money on the street. Should you lurk nearby and wait for someone to take the money and then attack him, the police would deal with you, not him. The same goes in Eve. If you attack a player who just took "your" ore from a regular container in a system with a security level of 0.5 or higher. You will be destroyed by Concord."
Thats what CCP says on the matter.
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Elena
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Posted - 2003.09.05 15:04:00 -
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That's it, I am digging up my ****ty frigat alt TODAY and goign ore stealin'!
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.05 15:13:00 -
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That's it, I am digging up my ****ty frigat alt TODAY and goign ore stealin'!
Thats the way my friend, let them do the work, then dump their ore into a ready made cash point. We need to just pull up take what we need and go on our way.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.05 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 05/09/2003 15:43:31
AFK miners and Carebear miners should be nerfed as well. To force them to get really earn there money and go out in the rest of the world. Ore Thiefs right now are the only means of doing this.
I don't see it happening. Scragg is right about it used as an exploit.
unless when you jet a can it says "Char's Name"'s container it won't happen.
Player jet cans and Rat loot have the same name. All you got to do is put it out from the belt in .8 space and make it look like rat loot left there and poof, killing newbs for free. Not to mention many other ways to use it.
I see only the AFK miners and carebear miners crying about this anyway.
I can see if the can is sitting right next to you when they come and steal ore as a hostile act. But if they were to impliment an idea like this I would make it so that as soon as you leave the belt and the can is no longer owned by you. That would fix the problem.
Or make it so Cops come and kill the thief only for players that are less then a week old.
CCP can't make everyone happy. If they totally kill Ore thiefs abilities. Other people will start whinning that AFK miners have it way to easy.
No if this Idea happened in game with no nerfing of the AFK/Carebear miners as well. I would start a petition agianst it, and would have alot of support. More so then the abillity to kill ore thiefs in 1.0 space.
If you want to kill ore thiefs then go to .4 and below otherwise buy secure cans.
If they really wanted to get rid of ore thiefs they would have made secure contains bottomless or expandable with how much ore you put in it. But they don't. Why, because of AFK/Carebear miners.
It would have been too easy to kill off that profession al long time ago. But EVE says you can become anything you want.
If they want to nerf that profession more. Then they should raise the the ability for Pirates(Neg sec rating players) to come into empire space and put in less cops. Or lower the amount of ore in empire space, make it real easy for a belt to disapear from over mining, so easy that it forces players to go out further.
Or make it so players over a month are not alowed to enter .8 and above belts.
Or Keep it the way it is.
I have seen Battleships in .8 systems striping belts clean leaving nothing for newb miners.
If you notice everyone goes to those systems to mine veld and other easy ore and then go out further and just mine the rest. They should go back to the old way of refilling the roid.
If you got to the .8 systems and above there is hardly any ore. I fyou go to the .2 belts for jaspet there is hardly any jaspet, Kernite, omber ect... and HUGE Veld and Scorite roids. So big you cann't even get close enough to mine them!!!
They Nerf Fighters. They Nerf Pirates. They Nerf PvP. I think they should Nerf Miners.
I heard a about a hacking skill that would allow you to hack into a secure can. That totally contradics what this poster is saying.
I say go ahead and allow this to happen. Then you will so pirates in Battleships coming in to steal your ore, go ahead and fire on them then. They would do it becuase they want your ore, but to start a fight so they can kill you for free.
I am not against AFK Miners that are newbies. I am against afk miners that are striping the belts in newb land.
I have another Char(unnamed) that ore steals. I don't REPEAT don't steal from the newby players. I see a guy in a Thorax mining with an unsecure can next to him. I go up and steal from it. And if they make that skill to allow players to hack secure cans I will make sure he gets that one too.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 15:45:00 -
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This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
An excellent point, cargo containers should not be bottomless pits.
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Torath
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Posted - 2003.09.05 15:55:00 -
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At the risk of coming out of character.
Would it not be beter to just reduce the cargo cans that are dumped to be no bigger than the cargo space of the ship it came from. That way indy pilots would be needed a lot more in corp mining instead of just running when its all finished.
You want it I got it....erm unless I sold it, then some one else has it!?! :/
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.05 15:57:00 -
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Please pick a thread to post on.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.05 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 05/09/2003 15:58:04
Just think about it a sec... They just finished with the adding of player anchored objects in space from stuff you buy like unsecure and secure containers on the market. opening those or firing on the other objects like sentry guns and such that are also player own and anchored will be a hostile act.
BUT OPENING JETISONED CONTAINERS WILL NEVER BE A HOSTILE ACT.
so if you go and buy a unsecure container off the market and anchor it in space you will notice that your picture is in the info window of the object. They are fixing it so another player opening it will be a hostile act.
BUT AGAIN OPENING JETISONED CONTAINERS WILL NEVER BE A HOSTILE ACT. and will remain bottomless from what I heard.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 15:59:00 -
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still, jettisoned cans should nto be bottomless.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:02:00 -
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still, jettisoned cans should nto be bottomless.
Jet cans are the same as loot cans from rats. If you give those a limit then you limit the loot cans as well. Do you want that??
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:04:00 -
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no, I don't want it, as a metter of fact I don't want it for the mneral ones either, but it is somewhat of a flawed concept.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:05:00 -
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How is it flawed? Other then the mods floating out in space uncontained when a ship(PC or NPC) a bottomless contain is the only way.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:09:00 -
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I guess you could argue that the objects would stick together due to gravitational pull from each other and that the container is but a representation of that pile of debris....
that satisfies me I guess....
I was just stating that the concept of a cargo container beign bottomless is kind of absurd compared to other game mechanics.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:13:00 -
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I see you point as far as Roleplaying the mechanic.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 16:26:00 -
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here is another
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