Unfortunately, welcome to factional warfare. There are lots of awoxers, that use a few tricks to gank "friendlies".

When you shoot a fellow militia member, you take a personal faction standing hit. If you are in the NPC corp and your personal factional standings goes negative, that pilot will be expelled from militia. However, there are lots of ways around this:

-Shoot cross-militia allies since there is no faction standing hit, ie Gallente shoots Minmatar
-Place awoxer pilot in a PC corporation. When that happens, the player is not expelled based on personal standings, but the entire corporation is expelled based on average corp standings. A individual player's standings are only considered in the corp average after they are in corp for 7 days. This opens up two exploits (urr, I mean workarounds). First, bounce your character between PC corp every 6 days so your personal standing is never considered. You can awox like this forever. Second, have 2 +10 characters in corp to offset your -10 standings and you can awox forever.

As far as the overview goes, I would double check your overview settings. Additionally, if the pilot joins militia and you do not have a session change, your overview will not update until you go through a session change. In other words, you are sitting on an undock and see a neutral dock up. The neutral then joins FW and undocks. You will still see them as a neutral.

FW has it own rules and shootin 'friendlies' is allowed on certain terms and it do gives certain penalties.

If you do not like those rules then you should not join FW.

Rules are fine, problem is on your thinking.

Obviously you didn't get the memo. If he just joined FW he would have shown up as in the corp, but would not have the "militia" icon yet because it doesn't take effect until after the next downtime.

thank you for taking the time to explain this to me, unlike our civilized teenaged friend here who sent me directly to wow for mysterious reasons. maybe he is in the wrong thread, whatever, i thank him also for his attention. i had no idea that this game which is so many years old still has so many holes and allows for so much cheating. that be the case (or maybe it is intended to be so) i will not pay for a product that clearly needs a lot of work (still, after all these years) although i would gladly support the company by subscription because i like the idea of this game. but if it is demoted to stupid social experiments that need not be repeated 'cause history is full of them then i chose not to partake. how ironic, space-age setting in which animalic behaviour is condoned. well done CCP. truly sad. as for what our friend said earlier about going back to wow, i think its quite difficult go back to it since i have just decided to leave it. but im sure he will continue to enjoy it .

You rage quit a game because of your inability to adapt to simple situations, hurl insults at mechanics you are ignorant about and you call me a teenager? There is no "cheating" in Eve, there is no structure, there is no noob friendly devices, there is only the sandbox

Seriously mate, you don't belong in Eve. Go find a game that caters to the stupid, lazy and uninspired.

im not enraged. im bitter sad. but nothing has to change because of that. really. im just stating my opinion for CCP since i paid for this product which proved to have serious flaws in my opinion and im pointing them out. i really have nothing to discuss with you. all i wanted to know if these flaws that i was pointing out area really flaws and if they are known to the developers. and i found out, thanx to the persons who answered me concerning my inquiries. this has absolutely nothing to do with you or with your insults that you have thrown at me without even understanding what the hell im talking about.

about belonging, well on that you are absolutely right. i dont belong in a game. this game, for me, is not a place to belong to. i dont have any problems to alleviate to need to belong to a game. i find that quite sad. for me its just a game. like ping-pong. maybe for you, this game means something else, who the hell knows whats in your head. and im not interested to find out. you act like i somehow treaspassed on your territory and pissed on your food and shat in your bed. you get me wrong. but anyway its pointless to try to communicate with people like you who clearly have serious problems. you act like i've personally attacked you. i kinda met this kind of behaviour before and i do as always in front of it. stepping back. do me a favour please. remain in this game and stay in it for the rest of your life. i surely do not want people with your kind of problems anywhere else. im happy for you to have found your place. now, me, the inadaptable, lazy, stupid and uninspired who hurled insults at mechanics i am ignorant about will leave you alone in your sandbox where you belong. stay there.

I'd say the only people needing to leave Eve are the one's shitting on noobs instead of teaching them how the **** to survive. Stay edgy though, Nexx.

hi :)

if i may, i would like to point out that i never complained that i have trouble surviving in this game. and this in not a frustrated cry for help. i have posted here my feedback on a game which i paid for and expected to be more attentively designed as not to permit this kind of exploits. because immature people take advantage of them. in my humble opinion, a cheater is someone who by the act of cheating implicitly acknowledges his inability to compete and he knows it. so i have no problem with that. why they are permitted to do so by design flaws, bothers me. and that was all about it
i surely hope i made myself clear in the end. really. my intention is not to hurt anybody. im just disappointed by this product out of which, because of its age, i expected better.
my presumption, my mistake.

now i understand that there is a lot of cheating and exploiting in this game like i've never seen in my life, a testament to the community and how much respect they have for each other.

You mad bro? Like I said originally, **** off then. Nobody cares that you quit. Your need to post this on the forums is what is pathetic. HTFU

They are not exploits and it isn't cheating. What part of that do you not get?

Citation needed.

Far more common than actual cheating is this thing that happens where an idiot doesn't understand a certain game mechanic, cannot cope with the idea that they simply don't understand something, and so label the thing they didn't understand as "cheating".

Kind of like what happened here.

hi... no loss from my side. 3 milions fit rifter.... thats a bit too much for me. as a result i cancelled my subscription and unistalled...
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i think you have trouble comprehending the meaning of the words. Factional Warfare. let me give you a hand here. The word factional is an adjective. it comes from the noun faction which means a split organization, formerly part of something larger. in this case it refers to as you may have guessed by now the four factions present in the eve universe as they have emerged out of the collapsing former human organization that traveled through the eve wormhole. the term warfare means open conflict as im sure you understand. a faction implies a defined group with common goals. now if anyone can pose as a member of a faction, attack members of the same faction and go away unpunished moreover in time of war then clearly the denomination is wrong and confuses people like me who hold words as carriers of meaning, not just funny devoid symbols.

thank you for taking the time to enlighten me. so posing as a member of a faction, shooting teammates and getting away with it is a game mechanic?

im speechless. are you sure you understand what is being discussed here friend?

Actually, it's a combination of several mechanics.

-There's the corporation mechanics. The player joined a corporation and were added to it. So far, working as intended.
-There's the FW join mechanic, which involves a timer. That seems to have worked as intended.
-There's the overview mechanics, which faithfully reported, per your own post, that the player was not a member of your militia.
-There's the pewpew mechanics, which obviously worked quite well.



Yes. What we're primarily discussing is the fact that you can't get it through your head that the guy was not, in actuality, one of your teammates, despite the fact that your overview flat out told you that he was not.

per this design mistake i decided to stop playing - this doesnt affect you in any way.

People in my alliance have been known to hunt down scrubs who shot them due to bad overview settings (because many in my alliance have -5.0 or lower security status).

lovely alliance you have there

hi
i know this game since a loong time ago. never had much time to play it until recently. i have joined fw as Minmatar TLF and had fun slugging it out with different people. with some i ended up discussing tactics. with some i didnt comunicate at all. today something interesting happened. i got shot by a TLF member as shown on his character sheet but he didnt have the purple icon/background in my overwiev. he targeted me and immediately i wrote to him in local making him aware that hes shooting a teammate. he destroyed my ship. no loss from my side. 3 milions fit rifter. what amazed me is that he he didnt get immediately expelled from TLF with a faction penalty automatically set to -10 as i would have expected it normaly, it still appears on his character sheet. nothing happened. no punishment. at this point i raised my eyebrows and asked myself what is the point of factional warfare if such things go unpunished? why didnt he appear as a corp mate in overwiev? is his TLF affiliation a fake in his character sheet? why is he able to fake it if thats the case? i checked it and its exactly the same as for other members of TLF. now i understand that there is a lot of cheating and exploiting in this game like i've never seen in my life, a testament to the community and how much respect they have for each other. but CCP permitted cheating? thats a bit too much for me. as a result i cancelled my subscription and unistalled since fw was the only thing i was looking for in this game. this is my feedback to factional warfare.
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Then try to fix the rest of low sec.

lovely alliance you have there

It's not an exploit but it's pants on head ******** to join militia only to get awox'd. What's the point of it then? Or is that why the Gallente lost just about all of its space?

It's funny, the people I see saying HTFU the most, or trying to act super edgy, usually suck the most.

As for the pissing contest between Nexx and what's-his-name, I suspect QCATS don't like all the recent goonies love on the forums so had to start their own. Hope fun was had by all.

OP and gallente should quit all the bellyachin and get in your ships and start fighting ....r

The Gallente are currently being blobbed (well we've always had a numbers disadvantage v Caldari just moreso now) with every bandwagoner farming alt and bitter vet returnee to calmil that saw the higher tier lp accumulation opportunity when the Test horde joined Calmil. That is why we've lost so much space.

But this has happened before, Evoke, and likely will happen again. It seems every booted-from-sov-nullsec-and-trying-to-get-back alliance in the game has the same lack of imagination, or attachment to Navy Ravens, or unintelligently values the perpetual numbers advantage Calmil retains, and thus they all gravitate toward joining Calmil. Maybe someday one of them will break the mold and join Galmil. Or Gallente Navy ships will become all the rage (it could happen, someday, maybe ). Watch out Caldari. If it somehow someday happens you are totally screwed.

Maybe someday one of them will break the mold and join Galmil. Or Gallente Navy ships will become all the rage (it could happen, someday, maybe ). Watch out Caldari. If it somehow someday happens you are totally screwed.

Nah wont happen nulltards cant ***** our missions in stealth bombers ingeniuos fits have to be made, this is above ur average nulltard

you guys fit a frigate plate to a bhaalgorn in the tournament

Honestly, I can't imagine it being any more fun fighting outnumbered like this. I hope everyone keeps joining calmil. It's the best PVP atmosphere we could hope for.

Hahahaa. In terms of active pvp'ers Gallente have outnumbered Caldari all the time, aside from first few months of FW. This perpetual myth about "Gallente being outnumbered" which gets fostered on forums, quite deliberately of course, is of course reason why most entities join that side as they think they will have easy time to farm kills more easily than gay bodybuilder in "300".

Truth is of course that Caldari is badly outnumbered all the time. Which is probably reason why gate campers like Heretics joined gallente.

Hahahaa. In terms of active pvp'ers Gallente have outnumbered Caldari all the time, aside from first few months of FW. This perpetual myth about "Gallente being outnumbered" which gets fostered on forums, quite deliberately of course, is of course reason why most entities join that side as they think they will have easy time to farm kills more easily than gay bodybuilder in "300".

Truth is of course that Caldari is badly outnumbered all the time. Which is probably reason why gate campers like Heretics joined gallente.

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