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Emma Yobibit
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.04 16:41:00 -
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This is something that can only be anchored in Lowsec - Nullsec - WH space (horrible idea tho)
It needs to be away from POS shields.
It takes 15 minutes to anchor
Its worth over 3 Billion
Its Big (8K m3)
I was just wondering what you guys though about it. |
Katia Echerie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:27:00 -
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Terrible idea. This would just gravely upset the balance of the game in that it would make it way too easy for fleets to move around in low-sec without any consequences whatsoever. |
Emma Yobibit
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:45:00 -
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Katia Echerie wrote:Terrible idea. This would just gravely upset the balance of the game in that it would make it way too easy for fleets to move around in low-sec without any consequences whatsoever.
Same thing would of been said about the mobile depot unit.
And for being it without risk, ya, tell me titans are without risk?
Titans are inside a POS, with allot of guns, and you can jump people from outside the shied, they are also safe and can be within inside the protection of the guns. Scrambles, jamers, what ever you got there. |
Sh0plifter
Underworld Initiative
24
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:51:00 -
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We have titans and black ops battleships. Why do we need easier ways of getting around space? |
Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
Setting The Universe on Fire
212
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:51:00 -
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Emma Yobibit wrote:Katia Echerie wrote:Terrible idea. This would just gravely upset the balance of the game in that it would make it way too easy for fleets to move around in low-sec without any consequences whatsoever. Same thing would of been said about the mobile depot unit. And for being it without risk, ya, tell me titans are without risk? Titans are inside a POS, with allot of guns, and you can jump people from outside the shied, they are also safe and can be within inside the protection of the guns. Scrambles, jamers, what ever you got there.
THe mobile depot is nowhere on the same level as this. |
Emma Yobibit
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.12.04 17:59:00 -
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Icarus Able wrote:Emma Yobibit wrote:Katia Echerie wrote:Terrible idea. This would just gravely upset the balance of the game in that it would make it way too easy for fleets to move around in low-sec without any consequences whatsoever. Same thing would of been said about the mobile depot unit. And for being it without risk, ya, tell me titans are without risk? Titans are inside a POS, with allot of guns, and you can jump people from outside the shied, they are also safe and can be within inside the protection of the guns. Scrambles, jamers, what ever you got there. THe mobile depot is nowhere on the same level as this.
It is indeed, only capital ships before could refit you in middle of space now every ship can.
Sh0plifter wrote:We have titans and black ops battleships. Why do we need easier ways of getting around space?
Because this would create fights that not only people who are SOV holders can handle, jump in more ships.
Its the same thing has a titan at the end of it, it can be jammed by POS cyno jamers... mobile cynoe jamers.
So on. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
3728
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:05:00 -
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Ummm... nooooooooooooooop. If anything, regular jump bridges and Titan Bridges should be removed from the game. We don't need more stuff that increases the ability for large organizations to project their power over even more territory.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Emma Yobibit
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.12.04 18:16:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Ummm... nooooooooooooooop. If anything, regular jump bridges and Titan Bridges should be removed from the game. We don't need more stuff that increases the ability for large organizations to project their power over even more territory.
Large? isnt that why i requested this? Titans are for goon swarm, this is for smaller corps, anyone can stack up 3 billion isk, thats the point, to make more fights for smaller groups of people. |
Karma Codolle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.12.05 07:40:00 -
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Fitted titans don't they run like 60billion? and are massive undertakings to build. Not to mention they require certain level of SOV that requires a monthly cost. Alliance JB are close to same thing without the massive cost.
Ya why would anyone bother with any of that if they could get cheap mobile JB's deployed anywhere. You thought titans were bad wait till the big alliances got a hold of that
Also the force projection and ease of movement is a reward for massive numbers of players working together to get.
It shouldnt be just handed over because you want it for smaller groups.
Not to mention alliance JB's are severely limited. Only 1 per a system forcing you to jump through at least one regular gate. Would your mobile JB's only be permitted one per a system? or would everyone get to deploy them everywhere and be free to have 20 in a single system so corps could massively project over entire lowsec regions? |
Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp
Ocularis Inferno
144
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Posted - 2013.12.05 08:30:00 -
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Emma Yobibit wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Ummm... nooooooooooooooop. If anything, regular jump bridges and Titan Bridges should be removed from the game. We don't need more stuff that increases the ability for large organizations to project their power over even more territory. Large? isnt that why i requested this? Titans are for goon swarm, this is for smaller corps, anyone can stack up 3 billion isk, thats the point, to make more fights for smaller groups of people.
You're forgetting Malcanis' Law: Anything intended to benefit new players or small groups of players will invariably benefit old players or large groups of players to a far greater degree*.
*I'm paraphrasing, but the point stands.
GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
370
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Posted - 2013.12.05 09:26:00 -
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I cannot bring myself to support an idea that would make force projection easier and cheaper than it already is.
While you may want it for the smaller scale entity it would be a massive advantage to the larger SOV holding entities, especially as there would be no SOV costs or penalties involved.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
2789
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Posted - 2013.12.05 10:54:00 -
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I like the idea, with a small tweak...
It would be called the civilian mobile jump bridge, and it would transport the pilot randomly someplace to low or nullsec. For each level trained, it would get the pilot closer to the general area of where he's trying to go, but never be perfect.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |
Tragot Gomndor
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.12.05 11:42:00 -
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Baaaaad, 0.0 goons dont need more power then they already have... but i like the random jump bridge, maybe make it like the Venture Warp of neocron, that teleports you to a random place in the wilds ^^ and make it wormhole only... Personal Incursion Generator
0.0 = GOONS = SAAAMMMMEEE!!!!1111222 |
Grandma Squirel
50
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Posted - 2013.12.06 05:32:00 -
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I would need more details on how it would work to evaluate the proposed item.
Consider two extremes.
1. Easy to kill bridge network
-Mobile bridge required on both sides
-Takes an hour or more to anchor/unanchor
-3 bil isn't going to bankrupt a major coalition, but it is enough that they will care if they are dying all the time
-Can't be on a POS, making it easy to camp, most Sov Jump Bridges are on well armed POSes, making it hard to camp directly on the bridge
-Not being on a POS makes it easy to kill.
-Lets say 500k ehp, no reinforce timer, so the risk of loss is high.
All in all, this version of the bridge would seem pretty balanced, it would allow you to do sneaky things, but at considerable cost/risk. If you want this to be ready when you need it, your gonna need to leave it up, and vulnerable to passing fleets, or moderately determined individuals.
2. Anchored Jump Portal Generator
-Bridge to cynos
-Anchors/onlines in 10 or less minutes
-Can be instantly scooped once onlined, like a depot can
-No reason to leave it in space when your done, very limited window where its at risk
This would be horribly unbalanced, Basically the most valuable past of a Titan, for 3b. In some ways riskier, in that it wont be in a POS, but also removes the logistics of needing permanent titan pilot, and the danger of moving a titan when there are tons of Titan hunters stalking you, waiting for you to slip up and give them a 100-120b killmail.
You could certainly refine this into a balanced proposal, but without the details, you could be proposing some very different things. |
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