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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 13:27:00 -
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Fountain Alliance, (New) Venal Alliance and Syndicate-Placid Commonwealth have now combined forces for what?
Why have all parties intervined? Have you a rational excuse to this? Or are you bored? That's a fair answer if you decide to throw that at me. I'm just want to know the incentive for throwing so many of your men to their death.
-Necro (Clueless, or so it would seem).
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Revolution
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Posted - 2003.09.05 13:36:00 -
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hehe :>
Its a good chance for a lot of these people to do some risk free pvp :)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.05 13:59:00 -
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Three words Tehel;
Principle
Courage
Honour
When a fallen Megacorp headed by a lunatic dictator makes common cause with the lowest scum in Eve to form a transpiratical alliance that sees TankCEO wed to the resources of Roark's cavernous battleship respository.
There is only one response.
To chew gum and kick ass (and we're all out of gum)
Love and peace (and Ragnar's head on a spike)
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Doctor Angry
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Posted - 2003.09.05 14:00:00 -
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Have you a rational excuse to this?
Quite frankly, Tehel, no excuse is required. An excuse isn't required to attack the enemy.
I think the word you look for is "reason". As far as I am concerned, the reason for the attack is that most people are fed up with TTi's posturing and continual lack of regard for anyone else in the galaxy. You'd quite happily stab anyone in the back and have demonstrated in times past just how untrustworthy a corp you are.
You preach to other people about just how righteous you are, and belittle other corps. You don't own the galaxy, you never will. As the saying goes....what goes around comes around, and I think, whether it's now or later, your time will come around.
Doctor Angry
BSC CEO
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.05 14:12:00 -
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"makes common cause with the lowest scum in Eve"
You wound me! /mourn 
"It's time to chew gum and lick ass! (And thankfully, I've got a whole lot of gum.)"
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 14:20:00 -
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I think you will find that we were betrayed. But i won't go over that its on about 50 other threads.
So its that TTI are evil backstabbing scum?
K - where's my wrigleys extra.
-Necro
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Kuole Zhilarsk
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Posted - 2003.09.05 14:52:00 -
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I think you will find that we were betrayed. But i won't go over that its on about 50 other threads.
So its that TTI are evil backstabbing scum?
K - where's my wrigleys extra.
-Necro
The name of the thread is ironic.
As for TTI being backstabbing scum, I think the public perception speaks for itself. A vote to expel TTI was not passed, and was done so in a democratic way so for TTI to turn on the VA was quite shocking.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:28:00 -
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The SPC has become involved for many reasons. I will list "rational excuses" here;
1. The SPC recognizes the NVA as a fledgling alliance fighting for the same values and princepals that parralell our own. This is more than enough reason for many within the SPC.
2. The SPC is strongly anti-pirate. You have aligned yourselves with pirates. (this should be a no-brainer) There are many in the SPC who would like to deliver some "pay-back" to certain members of SI and M3G4. This is more than enough reason for many within the SPC.
3. The log of the VA "vote" meeting. You may not fully comprehend how truely disturbing that was to read for most people. For someone to **** all over a democratic vote like that AFTER they had won was bad enough, but then to place a ridiculous griefing bounty on Jade just for initiating a vote to ask TTI to leave?!? Dispicable. The saddest part is that I am SURE there are many outstanding people in TTi that deserve leadership worthy of their quality. Nevertheless, this is more than enough reason for many within the SPC.
Are these good enough?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.09.05 16:57:00 -
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Fountain Alliance, (New) Venal Alliance and Syndicate-Placid Commonwealth have now combined forces for what?
Why have all parties intervined? Have you a rational excuse to this? Or are you bored? That's a fair answer if you decide to throw that at me. I'm just want to know the incentive for throwing so many of your men to their death.
-Necro (Clueless, or so it would seem).
Maybe, just maybe, its to oppose the formation of the Pirate Alliance:
TTi, M3g4, Space Invaders, Paladains of the Red Skull, Angels of Wrath, Andras Pandemonium and Scenites.
Maybe, just maybe, Tehel, you should step back and look at your "allies"...
"why" there is a frikkin MASSIVE alliance forming to crush you is because of how you have acted as a Corporation and who you are allied with.
You are the Pirate Alliance from hell... and you don't belong in EVE.
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 17:28:00 -
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The fact the vote was raised initially was an insult to tti. Well in my opinon, which is all i can offer to you people.
I've said this before, but they say when you have a problem with everybody, its usually you that has the problem.
So i've gone over this entire lark. Was it TTI were paying pirates? Well we all know how valid that is. Was it that we are arrogant? When were we arrogant? By announcing big minnig contracts? Was it that we had scammed someone? No i don't see this, nor have i ever heard of a TTI member scamming anyone.
So it turns down to the VA issue, and how we felt betrayed and were worried at Jade's sudden change of attitude. The very people (well not in Jericho's case as they failed to field ships on the majority of occastions) we were fighting alongisde (t3h pr3ach3r, Qball, Wretch and many others) were now voting to expell us.
This made us feel very insecure and angry, was this bad? Was it bad of us to feel angry at people, who we felt, had betrayed us? A vote to expell us? A Vote to chuck us out of the castle while the hounds tore us apart and Venal watched? Are these allies? Are these people we need to respect and honour? Sorry not me and i stand by the hostile actions of my CEO.
So we move on to the new discussion, a discussion that only came to my attention, the attention of someone who was at the forefront of most engagements, was active 8 hours (probably more but im afraid to admit it) a day that our allies did not recieve enough backing from TTI.
Let me tell u, had we been aware that you guys needed more support we would of jumped at the chance to aid you. You were fantastic friends (at the time) and we would of done literally anything to show you our loyalty. Now i have to say if such an issue was raised, it was not raised amongst the CEO's. Ragnar offered BYOM prices on BS's, he would of offered more had you guys let us know.
TTI fielded more battleships than any other corporation, even though we only hjave one squad of say 7 people dedicated to fighting. Sure 7 out of 200, well more like 7 out of 50 active members. Sure perhaps we could of fielded more ships but as we were already figuring out it was not the larger fleet that won the conflict.
My honest opinion was that the majority of the corps were fustrated and un-prepared for such a conflict. I think the only corps that took MAJOR losses were KIA and TTI. The rest just "couldn't be assed" with this stalemate. Well done Evolution thats exactly what u had hoped for. This was excellently done.
As for Jade's motive's this is something i'm still in denial about, but it's becomming more and more obvious too myself with each post on this conflict. Attention. Harsh? I dunno its not that Jericho were effected by the war, bar the occational apoc, perhaps tehy were struggling with the lose of two ships. If that is the case then my bad.
The above being what i had witnessed as a TTI member and a captain of Venal. I'm just having a lot of trouble figuring out why this hate is being portrayed.
Oh well i'm sure i can expect an entertaining lot of replies, something to do while im at "work", heh.
-Necro
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.09.05 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Karash Amerius on 05/09/2003 17:31:13
Thats a really good name however...maybe it will stick?
"Triad" sometimes have negative connotations but its original use was the business principle fostered in Japan stating that global corps must be in 3 locations: North America, Europe, and Japan. That was a Triad.
Triads are often associated with Japanese gangs in hollywood.
Edit: Spelling
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 17:31:00 -
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Says the man paying people who just walked out on their allies.
So it is the defense of TTI that is the cause for more opposition. Perhaps so, but i do not see the entire eve community attacking RUS/Sinister. Next.
-Necro
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Karash Amerius
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Posted - 2003.09.05 17:37:00 -
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TTI maybe a great economic powerhouse, able to move mountains with its members, etc etc...but you guys need to enroll your top officers in "politics 101" for sure. Ultimately, they make the world go 'round.
Personally, I don't mind any group doing their thing. Pay pirates, get in flame wars, raid and attack, ambush mining ops, etc...its all part of the Eve experience. Some have the stomach, and some sit in Empire space 
TTI should be proud in giving a lot of corps something to do besides mining. 
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 17:38:00 -
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Triad, three regional alliances so i figured it suited.
Actually i'll be honest, this name was first introduced to me from a Planetarion powerblock called "The Triad". It ruled Planetarion round 3 with an iron fist until it turned on itself.
Fury and Legion (the stronger of the two alliances involved in the powerblock, which perhaps can be linked to SPC and FA in eve's case) acted upon rumours of the third alliance ReBorn cheating and thus squelched them and procceded to dominate the entire round of PA. Was a lot of fun, and saw a lot of fights. All this on the back of round 2 where Legion and Fury combined forces to take down a large enemy named "BlueTuba".
Quite fitting imo.
-Necro
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Leblivyl
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Posted - 2003.09.05 17:40:00 -
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Democratic voting?
Please explain because I think Jade would like to take a class in that.
I know what a democratic voting is to me, and that is not the same as Jade's definition.
Before you vote the following things has to be defined:
- The competence of the council should be acknowledged by all parties
- There should be a common agreement on what you vote
- Make sure all parties agree that the thing voted on is in accordance with the competence of the council
None of the above is true in the way Jade run her so called democracy.
Under the vote:
- 1 person 1 vote
- All parties should be given time to arrive and make the vote
- All affected by the vote should be given access during the voting
None of the above is true for Jades definition.
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Femme Fatal
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Posted - 2003.09.05 17:49:00 -
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My honest opinion was that the majority of the corps were fustrated and un-prepared for such a conflict. I think the only corps that took MAJOR losses were KIA and TTI. The rest just "couldn't be assed" with this stalemate. Well done Evolution thats exactly what u had hoped for. This was excellently done.
apparently you and your CEO dont agree on this then.. cause according to Ragnar TTI lost 4 battleships, and saw this entire war as no problem at all since you didnt even get hurt by it....
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 05/09/2003 18:09:46
Monsieur Leblivyl
To address your questions and bullet points;
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I know what a democratic voting is to me, and that is not the same as Jade's definition.
Without knowing you or your reputation I believe I shouldn't be drawn to speculate on the validity of your preference.
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Before you vote the following things has to be defined:
Though I believe you are taking inordinate responsibly and respect for granted with that opening.
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The competence of the council should be acknowledged by all parties
Prior to Ragnar's declaration of war and solicition to murder the council members the competence had not been disputed. This is clear.
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There should be a common agreement on what you vote
I assume you mean what we vote "upon". Your point is a nonsense however, for if voting issues themselves may be vetoed out of hand then only unanimously agreed issues would reach council, and then to what point? In this case the vote in question was brought to the council by member corporations. That is all the validity that was required.
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Make sure all parties agree that the thing voted on is in accordance with the competence of the council
No complaint was raised by Taggart before their treacherous actions destroyed the VA. But in any case, this matter was not something they had the right to veto. Any council must (as this one did) have the right to eject members acting against the interests of the group.
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None of the above is true in the way Jade run her so called democracy.
I think you find your statement is convincingly rendered false.
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1 person 1 vote
1 corporation one vote. Were the terms agreed by the VA council. Taggart raised no objection prior to Ragnar's actions.
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All parties should be given time to arrive and make the vote
The critical vote was publicised with 24hours notice for corporation representatives to arrive. To the best of my knowledge they all did.
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All affected by the vote should be given access during the voting
Access to the process was provided through the corporation reps. Corporation reps were at the sharp end of representative democracy in this instance.
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None of the above is true for Jades definition.
Second time false monsieur, repeating a flawed assertion will seldom add validity.
I suggest your go away and study the facts of this matter a little more closely. By all means come back and ask more pertinent questions when you have a better idea of what it is you are talking about.
Love and peace.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:09:00 -
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"You are the Pirate Alliance from hell... and you don't belong in EVE"
I assume you mean this from an IC standpoint as I know you are smart enough to realice, OOC, that pirates are allowed in EVE. 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:13:00 -
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Best to assume people are always IC monsieur Ulsten... all other ways lead to madness ;)
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:14:00 -
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 *Watches the pot boil over*
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"OMG IT'S TRAMMEL 2.0!!!!"
-QBall
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:27:00 -
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look everyone, tehel is a hypocrit.
he must have forgot about TTI begging m3ga and their other power buddies to come up to fountain and save them.
WHATS TTI EXCUSE FOR THIS? |
Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:29:00 -
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The effect of losing 4 bs's to TTI is slim. However in comparison to what the other corps loss this was a significant ammount, i could be wrong, but i was there for most engagements and the figures are accurate.
-Necro
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:33:00 -
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look everyone, tehel is a hypocrit.
he must have forgot about TTI begging m3ga and their other power buddies to come up to fountain and save them.
WHATS TTI EXCUSE FOR THIS?
Look at what siding with the likes of Jericho Fraction and Cyberdine got us.
:x homo.
-Necro
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:42:00 -
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You didn't side with them, idiot. You sat and watched them die for you. It's not the same thing.
I stand next to my original; you are a daft hypocrit. And you called for pirate backup to save you in Venal.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:47:00 -
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to be quite pedantic, words like 'hell' don't really belong in IC speeches. 
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Reah
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Posted - 2003.09.05 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Reah on 05/09/2003 19:18:06
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The effect of losing 4 bs's to TTI is slim. However in comparison to what the other corps loss this was a significant ammount, i could be wrong, but i was there for most engagements and the figures are accurate.
-Necro
to be honest, i never saw u in venal
and this "we killed 5evol BS, while we lost 4" is just bull****e neway everytime it was combined efforts from all the alliances against us(or most atleast) so tti claiming the kills get rather silly. say.. KIA corp was probably present at all those engaments tti was in.. so "KIA corp was involved in the destruction of 5evol ships while KIA lost 0 battleships" so KIA owned evol then? is the same logic
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Reah on 05/09/2003 19:18:06
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The effect of losing 4 bs's to TTI is slim. However in comparison to what the other corps loss this was a significant ammount, i could be wrong, but i was there for most engagements and the figures are accurate.
-Necro
to be honest, i never saw u in venal
and this "we killed 5evol BS, while we lost 4" is just bull****e neway everytime it was combined efforts from all the alliances against us(or most atleast) so tti claiming the kills get rather silly. say.. KIA corp was probably present at all those engaments tti was in.. so "KIA corp was involved in the destruction of 5evol ships while KIA lost 0 battleships" so KIA owned evol then? is the same logic
One question, who are you?
Homo: Algazara called on m3g4 to assist us initially, it was only once we had started working with them did we come to appreciate their loyalty.
-Necro
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Reluah
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Posted - 2003.09.05 19:46:00 -
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does who i am matter at all?
and as u wondered, i am Reah, who else?
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.09.05 19:49:00 -
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My question was one of insult, as in who are you to comment on the Venal forces, you were there for 3 days, of which i was down in your home region blasting your miners.
-Necro
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.09.05 20:06:00 -
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awww, Tehel, how cute. aww, loyalty. I was looking through some threads the other day... found one that wasnt even a couple of months old. It was about TTI vs m3ga.
awww, loyalty.
there is no loyalty you infedel. there is TTI, paying people to save them because you couldnt fight your way out of a wet paper sack.
25 MIL TO SAVE OUR ASSES, 25 MIL TO PROTECT US. SAVE US PLEASE PLEASE. |
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