You would think a creative minded Toon would welcome the opportunity to have 400 to 700 Billionaire Players come to their system and be willing to pay 200% for ammo, modules, nanite paste....

But I guess that escaped you.

So yet another incursion round our way, and something that seems
to migrate our locals off. Mission systems empty, noobs suffer isk
loss. Working as intended.

In its wake, come the mass of orcas and bling. These people add nothing
to the the local economy, an inversion of the norm. Bloated gangs of
grinders hit the hardest parts of incursions immediately. There is little
to no chance of 'getting in' as a noob, and its either a bling boat or
logi V for acceptance.

So what is wrong with incursions?

That little bar showing the level of invasion quickly turns totally
blue. It then stays that way being milked for the whole weekend. Sansha
Bob has been sighted, but nobody is going for him. Why is it so
crap? Well, it ruins a game for a load of 'locals' who have to up and
ship out for the duration. The unreality of Sansah sitting there taking
an everlasting beating is toytown in itself.

The simplest solution? Once the 'skull' appears. You have 14 hours to
find/kill the carrier or Sansha retreat and go elsewhere. That might drive
the competition a bit.

CCP should stop trying to get me involved in the wide world of EVE and let me mindlessly AFK grind my NPCs in peace.

So yet another incursion round our way, and something that seems
to migrate our locals off. Mission systems empty, noobs suffer isk
loss. Working as intended.

In its wake, come the mass of orcas and bling. These people add nothing
to the the local economy, an inversion of the norm. Bloated gangs of
grinders hit the hardest parts of incursions immediately. There is little
to no chance of 'getting in' as a noob, and its either a bling boat or
logi V for acceptance.

So what is wrong with incursions?

That little bar showing the level of invasion quickly turns totally
blue. It then stays that way being milked for the whole weekend. Sansha
Bob has been sighted, but nobody is going for him. Why is it so
crap? Well, it ruins a game for a load of 'locals' who have to up and
ship out for the duration. The unreality of Sansah sitting there taking
an everlasting beating is toytown in itself.

The simplest solution? Once the 'skull' appears. You have 14 hours to
find/kill the carrier or Sansha retreat and go elsewhere. That might drive
the competition a bit.

{ some sense }

aww, did the little carebear get turned down in his officer XLASB golem?

So yet another incursion round our way, and something that seems to migrate our locals off. Mission systems empty, noobs suffer isk loss. Working as intended.

In its wake, come the mass of orcas and bling. These people add nothing to the the local economy, an inversion of the norm. Bloated gangs of grinders hit the hardest parts of incursions immediately. There is little to no chance of 'getting in' as a noob, and its either a bling boat or logi V for acceptance.

So what is wrong with incursions?

That little bar showing the level of invasion quickly turns totally blue. It then stays that way being milked for the whole weekend. Sansha Bob has been sighted, but nobody is going for him. Why is it so crap? Well, it ruins a game for a load of 'locals' who have to up and ship out for the duration. The unreality of Sansah sitting there taking an everlasting beating is toytown in itself.

The simplest solution? Once the 'skull' appears. You have 14 hours to find/kill the carrier or Sansha retreat and go elsewhere. That might drive the competition a bit.

{some good sense}

Just a glass half full perspective.

The only real difference in an incursion, well, its the impact it has on an area. Sickly green and hellish audio (try running 3 clients, you cant turn off that noise). Miners cant mine, missioners cant mission (well, suffer a lot isk wise), generally its a PITA unless your in the club.

My corpmates will wince - my Orca not there, as we all shifted to mine elsewhere. Our incomes snapped. 3 month old toons are simply confused by it all - evidently I am the only one who think it sucks. The takers dont.

That is, you know, kinda the whole point of incursions.

It's called "settings". Hit ESC key, click Audio tab, turn off eve sound. 1 problem solved.

It's called "settings". Hit ESC key, click Audio tab, turn off eve sound. 1 problem solved.

What - the crap audio. The incessant drone. The PITA? One or all?

And as for mining, I am quite sure we wont be going into any of the sites, Orca costs, newbie miners have no tank. And everyone else doing sites is 4 jumps away - all 200 of them - milking the cow.

The cow should be more intelligent and leave, and fair enough, if it takes 2 hours for that 200 to kill the cow, the reward should be the same or commensurate.

At the moment its a week of 'hell' and that nothing to do with the actual game, its to do with the way its being farmed.

While there open your Display & Graphics settings tab and set 'Post Processing' to 'None' and the visual effect goes away as well.

... my stuff

How about you stop whining that someone pissed in your sandbox and go mine 3 systems over? Would that be just too hard? You're acting like you want a personal apology from Sansha Kuvakei himself for your minor inconvenience.

Yup - way to design a game.

Annoying feature - just disable everything.

While there open your Display & Graphics settings tab and set 'Post Processing' to 'None' and the visual effect goes away as well.

Miners cant mine, missioners cant mission (well, suffer a lot isk wise),

That's nonsense.

Miners can mine and missioners can do missions. Miners got the bad end, as they will have Incursion-rats in their belts (which are going to blow them up), but missioners can do just fine once the bar hits blue - without any impact at all (ok, maybe they're going to see some rats on gates, but that's it).

TLDR: If you can't mission with an incursion in your constellation, you should work on your piloting skill.


And yes, I used to farm missions with an incursion in constellation. Thanks to the communites, the bar was allways blue and gone on day 3 or so.

And you stopped milking that come, came all the way here and added some constructive comments. Is it the thought that your dribble inducing isk supply might dry up if they took away your toys?

... my stuff

I don't even run incursions, just wanted to tell you now that your whining is pathetic. Biomass now. And telling you to go mine somewhere else IS a very constructive comment, because apparently you hadn't thought of it before.

Well to be totally honest there is a 50% reduction in mission bounties regardless of the bar status.

I have individual mods on my Vindi that cost more than your entire mining op. Sorry to say, but I'm not worried about displacing a few month-old noobs who *gasp* have to up and move two jumps away to keep mining their 'roids.

Well to be totally honest there is a 50% reduction in mission bounties regardless of the bar status.

What if I told you you do not really need a blinged out boat to run incursion?

Wait for 6-12 months and you'll find out incursions are the only PvE activity in EVE which doesn't make you sick instantly.

P. S. I wish incursions-like activity was presented in every MMO game (free-for-all public raids with decent income). But no - instead there are stupid circus-like raids with 3% chance to drop.

(stuff about raids)

You cannot compare EVE content to other MMO content. The fact that dying in Eve has far worse consequences than running back from the nearest town makes it impossible to have "challenging" content as the one you describe. In Eve, if 80% of the group dies to get the loot, the loot has to cover for the price of these 80 % of loss. If you cant see the problem here, get a pair of glasses.

You're right you can't compare Eve to other MMOs. Other MMOs have a far worse death penalty then simply warping to station grabbing a new ship then warping back. Seeing as the only penalty in Eve is the cost of a new ship it's harder to balance.

What if I told you you do not really need a blinged out boat to run incursion?

Yup, sure, every other MMO out there has you losing all your stuff when you die. You had high end purple gear, now you got nothing. If you're rich enough not to care about ship losses, then why would you even do incursions ? Why would you even PVE ? Go PVP and be done with it, you will get your challenge.
For the rest of us, losing tens of hours of play that we spent to buy hulls and modules is far worse than losing realm points or having to go to your tomb to pray to get back some lost XP or whatever crap other MMO got.
Plus you dont get any resurection in Eve either. So I stand my ground, If you want deadlier challenges, go PVP, pve in Eve cannot be geared to kill well prepared players, the cost of balancing risk and reward would be way to high.