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pershphanie	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:04:00 - [61] Originally by: Edoo Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: pershphanie stuff owned. and to the haters, compare where F-E was 8 months ago to where they are now. Now have a look at your own alliance and stfu. F-E has recruited random corps aimlessly. Wow quite an achievement. and you lost another station. congrats. Please resize your signature graphic to be less than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:10:00 - [62] Well you're getting bigger anyway:P -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
pershphanie	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:14:00 - [63] Originally by: Edoo Originally by: Adamus TorK Originally by: Mortuus Its been a lovely week of instant sovereignity due to a bug and GMs recharging their station shields for them....go go petitions for buggy sovereignity. Either way, we are a long way from dead. And stations have nothing to do with it =) Dude :D Have you ever heard about Shield Transfering? Or about contested space? my sweetie noobie... we had to shot down your stn's shield twice due to the server fails, then recharged it shield til early morning... then you called a GM to fix the stn and... have you recharged the shield or left it for the GM? No a GM charged shield instantly while we were shooting it, to investigate sovereignty bug. However after they investigated it, they did bugger all about it, and then left shields at full. OMFG really guys, we arent losing the war! its just that FE used their GM's to haxors our station! Please resize your signature graphic to be less than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques
Mephistos	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:17:00 - [64] Nope, just complaining that Sov bugs suck :p
Isky Iskerson	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:19:00 - [65] OK here's a reality check. PA have backstabbed friends and allies when it was even slightly convienent for them. The people who now form the heart of NBSI are from PA and were a part of backstabbing. Thus: you have absolutly no moral high-ground here. You are just whinning cuz you lost. F-E decided that supporting "Allies" who were content to rest safely behind their protective wall was beneath them. The powers that be made a choice for the best interests of (and provided the most fun for) their members, which is their primary responciblity. In essence, F-E saw what you were really made of and decided they were in a different league. They teamed up with Five because, despite (or perhaps becasue of) the violent battle and strife between them, they shared the same principles and courage. In this case, war showed allies worthy of rejection and enemies worthy of respect. The current state of affairs seem absolutly appropriate and right to anyone looking beyond self-interest into the character of these alliences. Personally I have little love for PA. But try to accept the fate you have called upon yourselves with a bit of dignity. Give a nod to those who have bested you, gather your forces, lick your wounds, and make your play to reclaim what you have lost. I will be waiting. I speak for myself only.
Range	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:19:00 - [66] OHHHHHHHHHH so thats why NBSI cant hold stations... darn come up with some better excuses
darth solo	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:23:00 - [67] Originally by: Range The big thing is who is growing stronger? F-E Who is getting bigger? F-E Who is dieing? NBSI/PA Who is getting weaker? NBSI/PA But At Least You Have Your Fourms Left... id rather die than sell myself out because i just wasnt up to the job... d solo.
slothe	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:25:00 - [68] People who say F-E are backstabbers traitors etc are imho clearly misinformed of the situation. Brief history (as i see it, maybe some errors) are as follows- 1. F-E recruits corps from foundation incl mlm, damage and others (all who have been fighting v and the 5 for a good 6 months + solid). 2. F-E help Red Alliance to take all of 5s stations around curse. A fleet is sent up including f-e (mostly) pa and nbsi. We travel a long distance, take stations and return (this is the start of the end of the 5 (as it was formed)). 3. PA get*****y and war dec 5, NBSI follow suit and F-E reluctantly does to assist the others. 4. 5 makes the war dec mutual and invades the north with V and others. F-E hom,eland tribute takes the brunt as its the buffer zone between empire and PA space. PA and NBSI help out by gatecamping a bit, until hostiles jump in at least. 5. F-E fund the mercenary coalition to war dec 5 and v. This is at great expense to member corps, and works as v eventually pull back and 5 move to 0.0. 6. G and Iron do nothing to assist PA NBSI or F-E, Celest does nothing , Razor do nothing. 7. 5 take up residence in h-pa and create a pos there. 5 look for targets in the venal area, but finding so few pa or nbsi generally invade tribute on a daily basis. This continues for maybe 2 months. 8. Naphtalia decides to counter attack. MLM creates a pos in h-pa, we send a fleet over there to attack them. We call in support from PA and NBSI. Kudos to those who assist, but once again F-E has to do things by themselves mainly (in PA space helping PA). We have decent results, 5 kill more of us than we kill 5, but we do well and do kill a lot of them over time. 9. At this time some of NBSI break away - Euphoria and others (who eventually join cruel intentions). 10. F-E are getting very disollusioned at this point. There arent enough people to attack 5 nightly, and people are losing cash fast. 5 still invade tribute when we cant muster fleets. 11. I message cmmdr woodlouse explain situation, say we are getting disollusioned and morale is down. i ask for help. g send up a small cruiser fleet, realise it cant do much and leave. 12. F-E getincreasingly disollusioned with no help from anyone. the war has now gone on for several months. At this stage persph agrees to a semi-nap with 5. F-E pulls out pos from h-pa. We state publicly we will not assist pa or nbsi any more. pa and nbsi are still blue. 13. re invaded in the east by newly formed morhus mihi and have to fight this war alongside 5 losing stations in the east and having to fight to get them back. 14 F-e pulls back to tribute. 5 realise that pa and nbsi arent very active and attack f-e fully, installing a pos in d7 - tributes refinery station. More attacks on f-e. Again i message cmmdr woodlouse asking for help. He expresses surprise that "one corp can cause so much damage" i sigh. 15.F-e loses refinery. Big operation, F-E does well to get it back. 16. Surprisingly i strongly believe that at this point 5 are weak and are themselves getting increasingly disollusioned with the situation. I think they have been surprised by f-e's resistance, but you will have to ask them. However at this stage f-e are themselves weak, worn out and poor. Morale is so low we are at the point of just calling it a day. We are slightly aggreived by no help from anyone at all. 17. nap with 5 is agreed. MLM had no say in the nap and our initial response was surprise. However on reflection im HAPPY with the NAP. Were called backstabbers. However you can only be a backstabber when you stab a friend in the back. When we napped 5 we had no friends, therefore we cannot be backstabbers. We have been called dishonourable. WE are the alliance who went to help RA when they needed us against 5. WE are the alliance that paid for the mc war against 5. WE were the alliance that protected PA and NBSI from 5 and V. WE are not dishonourable.
Mephistos	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:26:00 - [69] No, that's not why we can't hold stations, but that did prevent us from getting back 6oy one of the many times that it changed hands :) Isky, I know you're still ****ed off over the Xelas thing, but guess what? You know who first declared on them? It was IRON and F-E, PA tried to take a diplomatic route and then was told they were KOS. After taking stations from Xelas they tried again to go a diplomatic route and Xelas would have none of it, so Xelas got kicked out. Really, let the past be and move on from that hate. I like how you tell us to give a nod and bow out with dignity when you folks didn't do that :)
Naphtalia	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:26:00 - [70] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: WETRAIN ohh persh ur not a traitor ur a wuss I guess if trading in the5 as hostiles for pa/nbsi/g/iron/ucc/razor/ci/rat/celes makes me a wuss you must think really highly of the5. Does someone have a secret man crush? Pwned tbh :)
slothe	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:27:00 - [71] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Range The big thing is who is growing stronger? F-E Who is getting bigger? F-E Who is dieing? NBSI/PA Who is getting weaker? NBSI/PA But At Least You Have Your Fourms Left... id rather die than sell myself out because i just wasnt up to the job... d solo. darth really, you have no clue whats happened so please dont make uneducated comments like this. if you need to justify you pirating us (working with RISK (pirates) and RAT (pirates) then fine.
Antoinette Civari	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:28:00 - [72] Originally by: darth solo id rather die than sell myself out because i just wasnt up to the job... You would rather stick with incompetent allies who use you for their advantage and let your corp/alliance suffer than doing the one and only smart thing and cease hostilities with your enemy ?
Edoo	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:28:00 - [73] Originally by: Isky Iskerson OK here's a reality check. PA have backstabbed friends and allies when it was even slightly convienent for them. The people who now form the heart of NBSI are from PA and were a part of backstabbing. Thus: you have absolutly no moral high-ground here. You are just whinning cuz you lost. F-E decided that supporting "Allies" who were content to rest safely behind their protective wall was beneath them. The powers that be made a choice for the best interests of (and provided the most fun for) their members, which is their primary responciblity. In essence, F-E saw what you were really made of and decided they were in a different league. They teamed up with Five because, despite (or perhaps becasue of) the violent battle and strife between them, they shared the same principles and courage. In this case, war showed allies worthy of rejection and enemies worthy of respect. The current state of affairs seem absolutly appropriate and right to anyone looking beyond self-interest into the character of these alliences. Personally I have little love for PA. But try to accept the fate you have called upon yourselves with a bit of dignity. Give a nod to those who have bested you, gather your forces, lick your wounds, and make your play to reclaim what you have lost. I will be waiting. I speak for myself only. /blunt mode F-E did **** all to help PA/NBSI, they just camped H-PA to protect their NPC systems. F-E were never a meat shield, because F-E ran and logged while hostiles came through. Obviously now [5] are gonna stick up for F-E on the matter because they are allies, but the truth is F-E were finding it too hard, and backstabbed their allies. PA/NBSI were fighting in Branch, and there was absolutely no point stationing a fleet in H-PA - what did it achieve? We were busy fighting a far more honourable opponent in Branch - RISK. Backstabbing? I don't know about the GNW as i wasn't in PA at the time, but im pretty sure its over now and no one really cares. Xelas backstabbed us - how can we backstab someone when they declare war on us, even if it was a mistake on their behalf? You know having to regurgitate facts to stubborn people is very tedious.
Heavens Cloud	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:29:00 - [74] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Range The big thing is who is growing stronger? F-E Who is getting bigger? F-E Who is dieing? NBSI/PA Who is getting weaker? NBSI/PA But At Least You Have Your Fourms Left... id rather die than sell myself out because i just wasnt up to the job... d solo. Would you die protecting allies who never lifted a finger to help you? Why would you sacrifice yourself for people like that? At least the 5 and FE actually cooperate with eachother now, combining their forces to accomplish feats like the taking of BKG and V7-MID. That's a mutually beneficial relationship right there; which is more than you can say for teh relationship FE had with PA and NBSI. As to PA/NBSI, you're clutching at straws guys, FE don't regret NAP'ing with the 5; why would they? They control even more space now and things are looking peachy for them while the people they protected from harm and got nothing from in return are dying a quick death.
Edoo	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:31:00 - [75] Slothe - PA/NBSI offered assistance agaisnt [5] in D7-, but you refused it due to you're new found arrogance after [5] sucked your **** on the forums.
slothe	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:35:00 - [76] I would also like to add that i still have no hard feelings for pa and nbsi. Theres a lot of good people in those corps. But guys even g and iron have turned against u now. doesnt that sum the situation up? The north could and will be stranger after this. I messaged some people in prior to the nap suggesting the join f-e, as i could see it coming. I would suggest strongly that the stronger pa or nbsi corps join either f-e or kaos ( i see some have joined 5 already). Lets fight on the same side again, lose the weak members and be strong. Dont be intimidated by people on the forums suggesting you would be backstabbers. Theres only going to be 2 types of people left after this - survivors and not.
Turiya Flesharrower	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:35:00 - [77] Originally by: Mephistos No, that's not why we can't hold stations, but that did prevent us from getting back 6oy one of the many times that it changed hands :) I can assure you that you'll never dock in 6OY again.
Isky Iskerson	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:37:00 - [78] Originally by: Mephistos No, that's not why we can't hold stations, but that did prevent us from getting back 6oy one of the many times that it changed hands :) Isky, I know you're still **ed off over the Xelas thing, but guess what? You know who first declared on them? It was IRON and F-E, PA tried to take a diplomatic route and then was told they were KOS. After taking stations from Xelas they tried again to go a diplomatic route and Xelas would have none of it, so Xelas got kicked out. Really, let the past be and move on from that hate. I like how you tell us to give a nod and bow out with dignity when you folks didn't do that :) 1. Xelas was basically a sister allience to PA. Regardless of the actions of others, there is a special circle of hell dedicated to those who betray kin. 2. Your diplomatic solution was for all corps ot leave Xelas and get the hell out of 0.0. That is a term of surrender with extreame malice and disrespect. Of course we refused. 3. Maybe if you didn't hire a merc corp to enguage us even after we left and were in empire after fighting 3 alliences, cut off from supply at 4 to 1 odds, we whould have been a bit more friendly about the whole thing. 4. I have wasted a lot of time trying to counter the bull** you guys spread about the facts concerning our little war. It's a waste of time I see because you are quite commited to your propaganda and it not like anything can be done about it now anyway. 5. And are you saying that you should not go out with dignity? Even if you were right about Xelas, you don't think you should hold yourself to a higher standard? 6. I don't hold too much resentment towards PA still. Some but I got a lot of it out of my system. However, I never forget or forgive a betrayal. And besides, it seems the ghosts of tenal have been avenged
slothe	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:38:00 - [79] Edited by: slothe on 05/03/2006 11:38:58 Originally by: Edoo Slothe - PA/NBSI offered assistance agaisnt [5] in D7-, but you refused it due to you're new found arrogance after [5] sucked your **** on the forums. we had already broken ties with you guys after we left h-pa. as i state above f-e wanted to survive and we had to do what we had to do m8.
Mephistos	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:39:00 - [80] Slothe, good post there, few things though. During the time frame right after the war decs that you folks were aparently taking the brunt in Tribute we were fighting 5 and V in empire. During the earlier times that 5 were comming up to h-pa and setting up they weren't seen as much of a threat, and there was RISK to deal with, who was actively moving up large forces and taking stations. After E-R and Maza break away a majority of NBSI's pvp force is based in the US time zone. Now I don't know if many of you had visited h-pa during US evenings and late night, but at that point in time there might be 3-4 members of the 5 in system, usually docked or at their POS. That was not their active time, that's why a lot of us didn't go after them. And Slothe, a lot of us don't have hard feeling towards you folks either for the most part, maybe Persh, but as he said best, OCC and GODS shooting each other just seems right, not this lovey dovey let the north be united and happy crap (paraphrased of course, but that's about the gist of it). Turiya, quite honestly, I don't know if I've ever docked there :p
Rex Mundo	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:40:00 - [81] Edited by: Rex Mundo on 05/03/2006 11:41:16 I WAS going to leave GODS after the nap.. Removed roles etc etc... But just as I was about to quit.. a massive PA/NBSI fleet decided to attack imk. That was the first battle between fe-pa/nbsi (afaik). There were some cyno fields as well (not sure if dreads actually came). At the point I though f'off to pa/nbsi. They couldnt get these fleets together before and now as by magic.. a fleet appeared! Perhaps it was PA/NBSI's plan to let FE die so they could then take over and they were ****ed off when we didnt let that happen?? who knows. ReX
ZedLey	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:41:00 - [82] Edoo there was no RISK in branch durin the last month so I have no clue wtf are you on about only risk that was there was rus saga who have what 30 members?
Naphtalia	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:42:00 - [83] This is an offer. If you were a pilot from PA or NBSI that was active in H-PA flying in my fleets in propper ships over an extended period of time... I know there were a handful of you in our fleets... Give me a convo we can work something out for you in MLM. I am not talking about someone taking a vigil up there once in a blue moon, but people fighting for weeks in propper ships losing them on my side and killing our enemies together. You were the only members in PA/NBSI that mattered, you had the guts and the spirit and I feel gutted for you. You were in the wrong alliance, convo me or Zzazzt, we will look on the killboards, and we will find a spot for you to fly by our side again. PA/NBSI is dead, BEER EM GOOD!!!
Edoo	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:42:00 - [84] Originally by: slothe I would also like to add that i still have no hard feelings for pa and nbsi. Theres a lot of good people in those corps. But guys even g and iron have turned against u now. doesnt that sum the situation up? The north could and will be stranger after this. I messaged some people in prior to the nap suggesting the join f-e, as i could see it coming. I would suggest strongly that the stronger pa or nbsi corps join either f-e or kaos ( i see some have joined 5 already). Lets fight on the same side again, lose the weak members and be strong. Dont be intimidated by people on the forums suggesting you would be backstabbers. Theres only going to be 2 types of people left after this - survivors and not. I have respect for some F-E members also, but i would not join you because your leaders are arrogant and have little honour. My respect for F-E might increase if they stopped smacking on the forums, and this thread is a bit of a flame bait tbh. Relations between alliances improve after the*** sucking on the forum commences: eg: BoB sucking FIX on forums F-E sucking -V- on forums 5 sucking F-E ** on forums
Edoo	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:43:00 - [85] Originally by: ZedLey Edoo there was no RISK in branch durin the last month so I have no clue wtf are you on about only risk that was there was rus saga who have what 30 members? Which is why during the last month we were in H-PA, however coordination with F-E wasn't good so it was ineffective.
Edoo	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:46:00 - [86] Originally by: Naphtalia This is an offer. If you were a pilot from PA or NBSI that was active in H-PA flying in my fleets in propper ships over an extended period of time... I know there were a handful of you in our fleets... Give me a convo we can work something out for you in MLM. I am not talking about someone taking a vigil up there once in a blue moon, but people fighting for weeks in propper ships losing them on my side and killing our enemies together. You were the only members in PA/NBSI that mattered, you had the guts and the spirit and I feel gutted for you. You were in the wrong alliance, convo me or Zzazzt, we will look on the killboards, and we will find a spot for you to fly by our side again. PA/NBSI is dead, BEER EM GOOD!!! I am in the right alliance, as i don't have to answer to arrogant leaders, and every day i have a great time killing F-E and friends. I have never had so much fun in EVE.
Antoinette Civari	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:50:00 - [87] Originally by: slothe 16. Surprisingly i strongly believe that at this point 5 are weak and are themselves getting increasingly disollusioned with the situation. I think they have been surprised by f-e's resistance, but you will have to ask them. Very nice post, but I have to disagree here. When the assault of d7- started, the whole alliance was working together on a level that we have never seen before. We basically became one corp. Everyone was on TS as soon as they logged in, we had a gang running almost 24/7 and our tactics were working with an efficiency beyond all our expectations. I donÆt know how long we could have kept it up in terms of logistics and ship supplies, but our morale was far from beeing broken.
DB Preacher	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:51:00 - [88] rofl pugwash, hypocrisy at it's absolute finest. You change allegiance quicker than persh changes her panties. Or did you forget being allied to BoB during the GNW before we kicked you out of the North? You seriously are a very strange man. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Helena Suul	Posted - 2006.03.05 12:00:00 - [89] if your ally suddenly turned tail, allied your enemies and shoted "come and get it" wouldn't you get every swinging **** in a ship and go and hurt em, course NBSI came with a gank force, I'm betting it comprised of every member logged in at the time.
Naphtalia	Posted - 2006.03.05 12:06:00 - [90] Originally by: Helena Suul if your ally suddenly turned tail, allied your enemies and shoted "come and get it" wouldn't you get every swinging **** in a ship and go and hurt em, course NBSI came with a gank force, I'm betting it comprised of every member logged in at the time. Yep and it made us realize that they could form up and fight.. but CHOSE NOT TO.... our alliance chat was.... huh 30 NBSI/PA in IMK? WTF? they got 30 ships? Where were they last week when we needed them? HUH? another 25 ship gang in H-W? erm.. didn't know PA/NBSI had so many people with ships in 0.0? So that is the way it is gonna be? Hide, recuperate.. and then strike F-E when they are tired and battleworn? Right.. those #&@ are gonna die... maybe .5. was right afterall! ....... Yep that is what our alliance chat was like. And that is what pulled the doubters back into our camp.

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