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Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:08:00 -
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This just a thread to tell the things I think they should change in the game beacause they spoil the pleasure to play. 1)ECM A game play that make you unable to do anything should not exist. It is very different than other Ewar that restrain you to do something. Without capacitor you can shoot except if you have lasers or hybrids, but a wise player use cap boosters in this case. Without range of target you can in most of the cases web/scramble ships near you and defend yourself against tacklers. When you are web you can tank or warp outGǪ 2)Cloak I am quite good in de-cloak ship at the gate, but afk cloakies are so boring to hunt. Trying to bait a guy you are not sure he is playing or waiting for a guy that is afk is really sad. There should be a way to hunt cloakies. Of course, if it would be possible to hunt cloaky ships, something should be done for capital ships that cannot dockGǪ 3)Freighter and Indus ganks. I cannot believe that no engineer in all eve universe did noticed that is really easy to destroy Industrial ships (Even Tech2) and freighters (even jump freighters). Perharps some industrial pilots could be happy to sacrifice some cargospace to add enough tank on their ships to survive enough time for Concord to arrive.
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Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
273
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:11:00 -
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1drones 2afk(no problem he isnt there) 3my orca alt of 287.000ehp never got ganked.
srry dont see problems
The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:14:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:1drones 2afk(no problem he isnt there) 3my orca alt of 287.000ehp never got ganked.
srry dont see problems
If you don't see problems, it is because you are blind or because you do not want that any change. |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:17:00 -
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1) Drones and ECCM.
2) Cloaking should be changed where you have to use coolant or something, like a fuel, if you want to stay cloaked for longer than 15 minutes or so at a time. Make it so you have to uncloak to refuel, and have like a 30 second or a minute refuel time.
3) Funny to see someone from that alliance complaining about how easy it is to gank industrials and freighters. |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
273
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:17:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:1drones 2afk(no problem he isnt there) 3my orca alt of 287.000ehp never got ganked.
srry dont see problems
If you don't see problems, it is because you are blind or because you do not want that any change.
geuss im blind then , not bad typing for sombody who is blind he The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
273
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:18:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:1) Drones and ECCM.
2) Cloaking should be changed where you have to use coolant or something, like a fuel, if you want to stay cloaked for longer than 15 minutes or so at a time.
3) Funny to see someone from that alliance complaining about how easy it is to gank industrials and freighters.
lol at 3 , dindt even see him form the north , a well im blind so The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |

Good Posting
Posting with my Mind
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:23:00 -
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When you see something on dscan that might cause problems to you just turn around and run away, if you know what i mean  |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:25:00 -
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It is not because my alliance is involve in freighter ganking that I cannot guess it is a shame....
It is true also that that I use Falcons sometimes. I would though be happy to see them disapear from the game.. There is no contradiction there. |

Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
351
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:32:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:This just a thread to tell the things I think they should change in the game beacause they spoil the pleasure to play. 1)ECM A game play that make you unable to do anything TO COUNTER IT should not exist. It is THE SAME AS other Ewar that restrain you to do something. IT RESTRAIN YOU TO TARGET. 2)Cloak A GOON SAYS CLOAK IS OP, IS IT A TROLL, IS IT A SCAM? WHO KNOWS, OR CARES? 3)Freighter and Indus ganks. GOONY PLS
FYP
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:35:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:1) Drones and ECCM.
2) Cloaking should be changed where you have to use coolant or something, like a fuel, if you want to stay cloaked for longer than 15 minutes or so at a time. Make it so you have to uncloak to refuel, and have like a 30 second or a minute refuel time.
3) Funny to see someone from that alliance complaining about how easy it is to gank industrials and freighters.
I know that some peoplo think everything is ok. But ECCM and drones will never save you against a Falcon if you are solo. And when you fly solo, you rarely have ECCM and not always have drones. It is basicaly the ECM game play that I do not find interestening: It works you are dead/It doesn't work it does nothing to you. (Usually it works though:)) |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:37:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Cardano Firesnake wrote:This just a thread to tell the things I think they should change in the game beacause they spoil the pleasure to play. 1)ECM A game play that make you unable to do anything TO COUNTER IT should not exist. It is THE SAME AS other Ewar that restrain you to do something. IT RESTRAIN YOU TO TARGET. 2)Cloak A GOON SAYS CLOAK IS OP, IS IT A TROLL, IS IT A SCAM? WHO KNOWS, OR CARES? 3)Freighter and Indus ganks. GOONY PLS
FYP
Thank you for all these constructive comments. I knew they will come :-)
Perharps though as a goon I am well placed to tell that ..
It is not a question of overpowered though I just TRY to be objective, and I wanted to tell what I don't like. |

Wyrmlimion
Mine Your 0wn Business The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:40:00 -
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Quote:you probably never play solo
BENNNAAAAYYYYY!!!!
Benny: WHAT!!
Get that net we got a live one here! |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:46:00 -
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Wyrmlimion wrote:Quote:you probably never play solo BENNNAAAAYYYYY!!!! Benny: WHAT!! Get that net we got a live one here!
A! Did you try to play solo?
I did oftenly. Perharps I am a sort of Alien Goon ;-) Goonswarm is big. You can find everything in there it is just your mind that cannot see it ;-) |

Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1293
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Posted - 2013.12.10 09:59:00 -
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ECM has always been an odd one, ccps love of all things caldari kept it in i dont know why.
Nothing else in eve relies on such a dice roll and in pvp is just stupid - but hey 10 years in and its still here, i dont expect it will be changed or removed so why fight it. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg
I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Fr3akwave
Space Road Truckers.
8
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:02:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:But ECCM and drones will never save you against a Falcon if you are solo. And when you fly solo, you rarely have ECCM and not always have drones.
But tracking computers/enhancers and drones wont save you against a TD Arbitrator if you fly a turret boat solo. And when you fly solo you dont always have that tracking computer/enhancer and not always have drones.
But sebos and drones will never save you against a dedicated damp celestis. And when you fly solo you rarely have sebos and not always have drones.
See where this is going?
The same argument applies to almost all types of EWAR. Bring the right counter and you got no chance solo. Smart prey is not easy prey. |

Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
274
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:08:00 -
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Fr3akwave wrote:Cardano Firesnake wrote:But ECCM and drones will never save you against a Falcon if you are solo. And when you fly solo, you rarely have ECCM and not always have drones. But tracking computers/enhancers and drones wont save you against a TD Arbitrator if you fly a turret boat solo. And when you fly solo you dont always have that tracking computer/enhancer and not always have drones. But sebos and drones will never save you against a dedicated damp celestis. And when you fly solo you rarely have sebos and not always have drones. See where this is going? The same argument applies to almost all types of EWAR. Bring the right counter and you got no chance solo. Smart prey is not easy prey.
well said ,if ecm is broken so are the other forms of ewar The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2111
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:11:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:1drones 2afk(no problem he isnt there) 3my orca alt of 287.000ehp never got ganked.
srry dont see problems
If you don't see problems, it is because you are blind or because you do not want any change. 1- If you really think your drones can save you against ECM, you probably never play solo. 2- It is a common way to answer to the AFK problem. But in fact it doesn't answer anything. I am not afraid with cloakies. I want to interact with them. When you are not in a safe place, you should never be safe. 3- The Orca is not a ship made for this purpose but it is the only soulution. So the ships that should be use to make transport are useless to the think they are supposed do?
1. I fight solo a lot. I got beat flying against four people solo, one of them in a Blackbird. I killed a Rifter, but their ECM defeated me. Good for them, they came prepared, and they won because of it. ECM is not the problem, expecting to be able to solo every situation in a multiplayer game, however, is a problem for the person with that expectation. Make some friends.
2. If they are AFK, they are not a problem. If you are hunting them, then I'm afraid you won't find them unless they want you to. Unless they really suck at cloaking and you saw them cloak on grid and you can manually pilot onto them. Or you land on them by random chance, as I've done once before landing right on a cloaked Manticore when I warped to within 100km of a planet.... fun times.
3. There are all kinds of ways to look after your industrial ships, including as stated above making some friends who can fly with your industrial ship. Assault frigates and interceptors make excellent escort ships. And hell, why don't you bring a Kitsune along for the ride and use some of that ECM you've been whining about so you can see how effective it is. Most indies have mid slots, fit it with ECM. That's two of your problems solved. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2111
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:15:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:1drones 2afk(no problem he isnt there) 3my orca alt of 287.000ehp never got ganked.
srry dont see problems
If you don't see problems, it is because you are blind or because you do not want any change.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think in false dichotomies, and penguins. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:15:00 -
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Fr3akwave wrote:Cardano Firesnake wrote:But ECCM and drones will never save you against a Falcon if you are solo. And when you fly solo, you rarely have ECCM and not always have drones. But tracking computers/enhancers and drones wont save you against a TD Arbitrator if you fly a turret boat solo. And when you fly solo you dont always have that tracking computer/enhancer and not always have drones. But sebos and drones will never save you against a dedicated damp celestis. And when you fly solo you rarely have sebos and not always have drones. See where this is going? The same argument applies to almost all types of EWAR. Bring the right counter and you got no chance solo. Smart prey is not easy prey.
Tracking disruptor will be useless against Missiles and Drones, will not make impossible to web, scramble or neutralize a target, (wich will allow you to dictate range or cut the point). If you can dictate your range, you can use your weapons. Neutralizers will not make you unable to shoot in most of the case so you will be able to eliminate the neutralizer. Dampener will not make you unable to shoot at short range most of the time and you will be able to get out the point.
If Dampeners, Neutralizers or Tracking disruptor would be as powerful than ECM, you can be sure you would see them as many times you see ECM... |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2111
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:23:00 -
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Cardano Firesnake wrote:Fr3akwave wrote:Cardano Firesnake wrote:But ECCM and drones will never save you against a Falcon if you are solo. And when you fly solo, you rarely have ECCM and not always have drones. But tracking computers/enhancers and drones wont save you against a TD Arbitrator if you fly a turret boat solo. And when you fly solo you dont always have that tracking computer/enhancer and not always have drones. But sebos and drones will never save you against a dedicated damp celestis. And when you fly solo you rarely have sebos and not always have drones. See where this is going? The same argument applies to almost all types of EWAR. Bring the right counter and you got no chance solo. Smart prey is not easy prey. Tracking disruptor will be useless against Missiles and Drones, will not make impossible to web, scramble or neutralize a target, (wich will allow you to dictate range or cut the point). If you can dictate your range, you can use your weapons. Neutralizers will not make you unable to shoot in most of the case so you will be able to eliminate the neutralizer. Dampener will not make you unable to shoot at short range most of the time and you will be able to get out the point. If Dampeners, Neutralizers or Tracking disruptor would be as powerful than ECM, you can be sure you would see them as many times you see ECM...
Damps effectively kill the range of ECM, allowing the ECM ship to be kited quite easily. SYJ do, frequently, use them to great effect.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
496
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:33:00 -
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1. Dryer Lint 2. Land'o'Lakes Butter 3. No Rolo's
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Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:35:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
1. I fight solo a lot. I got beat flying against four people solo, one of them in a Blackbird. I killed a Rifter, but their ECM defeated me. Good for them, they came prepared, and they won because of it. ECM is not the problem, expecting to be able to solo every situation in a multiplayer game, however, is a problem for the person with that expectation. Make some friends.
2. If they are AFK, they are not a problem. If you are hunting them, then I'm afraid you won't find them unless they want you to. Unless they really suck at cloaking and you saw them cloak on grid and you can manually pilot onto them. Or you land on them by random chance, as I've done once before landing right on a cloaked Manticore when I warped to within 100km of a planet.... fun times.
3. There are all kinds of ways to look after your industrial ships, including as stated above making some friends who can fly with your industrial ship. Assault frigates and interceptors make excellent escort ships. And hell, why don't you bring a Kitsune along for the ride and use some of that ECM you've been whining about so you can see how effective it is. Most indies have mid slots, fit it with ECM. That's two of your problems solved.
1- Do not misunderstand what I say. I do not think a solo guy should be able to face everything. Of course not. I say ECM is a spoiler . When you are ECM you stop playing for 20s. align something and wait your death... Other Ewar let you the chance to try something even if it is difficult.
2- Always the same false argument. The problem is that they should not be safe in on hostile place.
3- A kistsune in Niarja? 10 Kitsune perharps. I would like to see your kitsune save a freighter against a fleet of Catalysts... With 20 or 30 catalysts your destroy easily a freighter. 200 to 300M to loot 1B to 60B. It is the new way to farm for lot of 0.0 alliances nowadays.
But I said what I had to. I already know about these arguments. I do not believe in their objectivity; |

Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2013.12.10 10:37:00 -
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Gealbhan wrote:1. Dryer Lint 2. Land'o'Lakes Butter 3. No Rolo's 
Good aswer :-) |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2013.12.10 14:19:00 -
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