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Helios
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Posted - 2003.09.06 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Helios on 06/09/2003 02:23:35
Edited by: Helios on 06/09/2003 02:23:05
FYI/// miner II been sold in Pator for 1 million each, I was able to get 8 ... you have to contact in local channel there...
. price still high but much better. than 2.5
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Rase
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Posted - 2003.09.06 02:36:00 -
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False alarm....
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John Zeppe
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Posted - 2003.09.06 02:38:00 -
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So we're supposed to get to Pator, ask 50 people who's selling them cheap Miner II's?
I know better ways to look stupid.
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Krowe
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Posted - 2003.09.06 02:40:00 -
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Sounds too good to be true.
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Orthan
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Posted - 2003.09.06 02:54:00 -
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I dont know where they get them - steal them from TECHELL? I got 2 for 1M each. Contact a player called Punk. He will only sell to newbie-players he told me.
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Kanube
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Posted - 2003.09.06 03:04:00 -
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I got the one miner2. They wont sell more they told. Would have been to nice 
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.09.06 03:26:00 -
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This whole miner 2 thing was so unfair. I can't think of a single item that people would want more. To think that a small few (maybe 5 people) are churning out Miner 2s at their cost of 20k in minerals once every 5 minutes and selling them for 3-5 million throws any and all "balancing" that the devs ever do. These people are making 1 billion a day. Soooo not fair.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.09.06 05:03:00 -
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I know better ways to look stupid.
OMG! That is funny. That's my new catch phrase!
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.06 05:10:00 -
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This whole miner 2 thing was so unfair. I can't think of a single item that people would want more. To think that a small few (maybe 5 people) are churning out Miner 2s at their cost of 20k in minerals once every 5 minutes and selling them for 3-5 million throws any and all "balancing" that the devs ever do. These people are making 1 billion a day. Soooo not fair.
Actually, my understanding is that the blueprint copies currently in existance are only capable of producing 48 total miner 2s over 24 hours. So every 5 minutes is nowhere near correct.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
nono
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Posted - 2003.09.06 05:41:00 -
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This whole miner 2 thing was so unfair. I can't think of a single item that people would want more. To think that a small few (maybe 5 people) are churning out Miner 2s at their cost of 20k in minerals once every 5 minutes and selling them for 3-5 million throws any and all "balancing" that the devs ever do. These people are making 1 billion a day. Soooo not fair.
Actually, my understanding is that the blueprint copies currently in existance are only capable of producing 48 total miner 2s over 24 hours. So every 5 minutes is nowhere near correct.
Only 240 million in 24 hours, minus less then a million to produce them. Not a bad margine to run on a daily basis.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.06 05:47:00 -
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To think that a small few (maybe 5 people) are churning out Miner 2s at their cost of 20k in minerals once every 5 minutes and selling them for 3-5 million throws any and all "balancing" that the devs ever do. These people are making 1 billion a day. Soooo not fair.
So you would prefer what? That everyone have a blueprint copy and sell them for 30k so everybody and his brother can buy 30 at the drop of a hat?
Sooooo not interesting.
Cornering the market is part of this game. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. It's not like you need the item. You're just jealous of people who are making them and those who can afford to buy them.
Veruna Caseti
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.09.06 08:06:00 -
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2 mio time 50 miner ii = 100mio per day
if a corps producing them is using med cruisers with basic equipment and cheapest insurance you ll have to destroy 100 of their cruiser every day to balance this income alone.
what i would prefer?
1. if you give away single editions of bp, don t do it with items of ******* unlimited need in the eve-population.
2. that there was some way to steal/destroy their bp . that there isn t any chance for this sucks big time. if they are not stupid, there s no way they re going to loose the monopol (other than ccp handing out more bp s)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.06 08:08:00 -
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I can get them for mineral cost
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.06 08:17:00 -
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if a corps producing them is using med cruisers with basic equipment and cheapest insurance you ll have to destroy 100 of their cruiser every day to balance this income alone.
So why do you have to balance this income? Is your goal to make sure corporations make zero profit? Are you only happy if your corporation is the only one making profit?
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1. if you give away single editions of bp, don t do it with items of ******* unlimited need in the eve-population.
The only thing unlimited is greed. Nobody needs Miner IIs, they just want to increase their income and they are willing to pay top dollar to do so.
If you want to limit the corporations incomes, try to get people to stop paying so much money for the item.
If people weren't willing to pay 2.5+M for every Miner II, these corporations would stop making such a ridiculous profit.
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2. that there was some way to steal/destroy their bp . that there isn t any chance for this sucks big time. if they are not stupid, there s no way they re going to loose the monopol (other than ccp handing out more bp s)
I'm sure these BPs will become available elsewhere eventually. Again, why do you feel so compelled to steal/destroy this BP and stop these corporations from making money?
If you're that jealous, join a corp that has the BP. 
Veruna Caseti
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.09.06 08:29:00 -
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Cornering the market is part of this game. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. It's not like you need the item. You're just jealous of people who are making them and those who can afford to buy them.
LOL... I'm jealous of people who can buy them... ROFL.. no. Let's just say I'm doing ok for myself. My problem is that a few people were given the means to produce my net worth once every 2 or 3 days and I think i have way more than your average player. It's unbalancing to the game. It's like if someone could just bring 5 more monopoly boards to a game of monopoly and say "I'm going to use all this money from these boxes too".
Or here's one, it's like if certain people's serial numbers started them off as millionaires to begin with. Would it be fair? Depends on how you look at it. It's CCPs game so they decide. To me that wouldn't feel fair. I could make all sorts of other analogies from all sorts of other games but I'm not sure you'd ever "get it".
I'm not jealous of them. Not any more than I'm jealous of someone who wins the $150 million lotto and decides to buy up all the isk on e-bay. More power to them.
I'm unhappy with the non-level playing field people are on and the fact it didn't come from their work or skill. Especially since this is supposed to be an economic game not a game of luck. I still have fun playing though.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.06 08:34:00 -
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You're all forgetting that EV, who does have a miner 2 BP, lost several battleships in the process of getting the BP and hasn't sold the miner lasers on the open market (as far as I'm aware) for those inflated prices.
We are working from a loss of around 300M isk worth of equipment.
Admittedly, the miner 2's ARE better but they're not so vastly better than the ore is transported directly from the asteroid belts to our hangars. It still takes teamwork to mine ore and it is STILL incredibly fscking boring.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
McWatt
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Posted - 2003.09.06 08:37:00 -
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dear veruna,
i ll do it slow again, so that you can get it.
i m not a hardcore miner. yet if i want to compete, over time i need miner ii s, and the prob is, that everyone does.
yes, i could stick to basic miners, but as mining is the one proffesion in game, it wouldn t be a clever thing to do.
i m not against profit. the balance/destruction example was there to illustrate how much money it is. somone producing miner ii s can afford to loose 2 uninsured battleships per day. can you?
i d appreciate to have people own limited numbers of most bp. most weapons, ammo, equipment, ... . can you see the difference between a m-12a missilelauncher bp allowing for more capacity and better mining lasers/drones?
my second comment was a general one, not only concerning miner ii. hint: a bp in game stays in game, stays in game, stays in game.
this is the real danger for profit! at the moment the bigggest danger for a bp is either to be forgotten by the owning player in some corner of the universe, or leaving the game with a quitting player without friends.
this is a huge prob imho.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.09.06 08:43:00 -
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hey joshua,
how many uninsured BB/rare equipment did you bring to the jovian event?
may i say that this wasn t a,hm , clever move?
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Pa'ine Tramach
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Posted - 2003.09.06 15:19:00 -
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Miner II's for 1 mil!!! I didn't believe it either, but i guess u'll have to see for yourself. Apparently they're limited so contact "Punk". He hangs around Pator.
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.06 15:26:00 -
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The word "yoink" comes to mind, for some reason.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.09.06 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 06/09/2003 15:38:06
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I can get them for mineral cost
I'll pay you 500k each for 15 of them.  
Edit: Just think of it! 460k profit x 15 = ~7M easy money. 
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.09.06 16:00:00 -
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This whole miner 2 thing was so unfair. I can't think of a single item that people would want more. To think that a small few (maybe 5 people) are churning out Miner 2s at their cost of 20k in minerals once every 5 minutes and selling them for 3-5 million throws any and all "balancing" that the devs ever do. These people are making 1 billion a day. Soooo not fair.
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2 mio time 50 miner ii = 100mio per day
if a corps producing them is using med cruisers with basic equipment and cheapest insurance you ll have to destroy 100 of their cruiser every day to balance this income alone.
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Only 240 million in 24 hours, minus less then a million to produce them. Not a bad margine to run on a daily basis.
This is getting less funny every time I read this crap.
The price of an miner II print is NOT just the mineral cost! It would be very stupid to sell these things if you don't take in account the price you paid for the sodding blueprint as well
It wouldn't be very smart if you still haven't recovered the massive beating your wallet took for the acquisition by the time miner III lasers are introduce would it?
The price Techell paid for the prints are almost impossible to cough up as a single player and I figure the losses others sustained by battling the Jovians aren't very nice either.
The price asked is easily justified.
So don't say producing miner II is a certain way for easy money.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.06 17:44:00 -
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i m not a hardcore miner. yet if i want to compete, over time i need miner ii s, and the prob is, that everyone does.
yes, i could stick to basic miners, but as mining is the one proffesion in game, it wouldn t be a clever thing to do.
So if you are too impatient to wait for the BP to become more widely available and the price to come down, then you are stuck paying the current price to a few select corporations.
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somone producing miner ii s can afford to loose 2 uninsured battleships per day. can you?
Nope. But again, unlike you I don't feel like it's "unfair" that someone is making more money than me. Someone will ALWAYS be making more money than me.
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a bp in game stays in game, stays in game, stays in game.
this is the real danger for profit!
So once a corporation knows how to build something, why should they "lose" this ability?
IYHO this is a problem, but I don't see it as one. I see absolutely no problem with permenant blueprints. Eventually the item will become less valuable and hence the benefit of having the BP will be reduced.
Veruna Caseti
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.09.07 04:19:00 -
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Shock, amen.
Some people don't realize just how much those BP copies sell for. (Price was 1.5bill for a while, dunno what Techell paid.)
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Black Lung
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Posted - 2003.09.07 04:28:00 -
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I am still waiting until they drop below 700k. Besides I enjoy rat hunting for now, not in any rush to brag that I have a miner 2.
You got a miner 2, who cares?
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cball
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Posted - 2003.09.07 04:31:00 -
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Shock, amen.
Some people don't realize just how much those BP copies sell for. (Price was 1.5bill for a while, dunno what Techell paid.)
So they got screwed over by the bpc seller...
the point is, and has been, why was the supply limited to only the space controlled by 1 corp...
The GM's screwed up, again, and are now in the process of trying to make the rest of the people happy
...day late, dollar short...
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Lola
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:27:00 -
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This whole miner 2 thing was so unfair. I can't think of a single item that people would want more. To think that a small few (maybe 5 people) are churning out Miner 2s at their cost of 20k in minerals once every 5 minutes and selling them for 3-5 million throws any and all "balancing" that the devs ever do. These people are making 1 billion a day. Soooo not fair.
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2 mio time 50 miner ii = 100mio per day
if a corps producing them is using med cruisers with basic equipment and cheapest insurance you ll have to destroy 100 of their cruiser every day to balance this income alone.
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Only 240 million in 24 hours, minus less then a million to produce them. Not a bad margine to run on a daily basis.
This is getting less funny every time I read this crap.
The price of an miner II print is NOT just the mineral cost! It would be very stupid to sell these things if you don't take in account the price you paid for the sodding blueprint as well
It wouldn't be very smart if you still haven't recovered the massive beating your wallet took for the acquisition by the time miner III lasers are introduce would it?
The price Techell paid for the prints are almost impossible to cough up as a single player and I figure the losses others sustained by battling the Jovians aren't very nice either.
The price asked is easily justified.
So don't say producing miner II is a certain way for easy money.
You say the price you paid was high yet the profit you make is apparently 240 million a day. If that isn't how much you're making then fill us in on the real numbers. If that is how much you're making then even if you paid 1 billion isk you've made your money back and are licenced to print isk after just over 4 days. Or 2.4 billion paid off after 10 days. If you paid 10 billion it might have been a gamble.
How much you paid isn't really the issue though. The issue is that people were given the BPs. You paid someone a huge sum just because they were in the right place at the right time. How many battleships could that person replace with the money they made off selling the BP?
I'm curious also why you are so hostile. If it was me making so much I'd be a happy person.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:29:00 -
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I think I'll wait until they've been on the market for a while, with people undercutting each others prices nicely. :)
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Sith Bandon
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Posted - 2003.09.08 23:37:00 -
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I dont know where they get them - steal them from TECHELL? I got 2 for 1M each. Contact a player called Punk. He will only sell to newbie-players he told me.
Didnt find guy called Punk
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Benco97
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Posted - 2003.09.09 01:57:00 -
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Oh, Don't mind me, Just pottering about with my miner I which does me just fine. What I mean to say is my second favorite saying:
"I doubt you'll die from it".
Chill, Tis naught but a mining laser in the end.
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