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Serneral Ikehor
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:39:00 -
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I feel like without having T2s and level 4 minimum in support skills (In Gunnery and Drones) that there is literally 0 reason to play this game.
You can't PvP w/ T1s. You can't do missions past L2 w/ T1s. You can't do FW with T1s unless you just AFK at plexes (which is ******* stupid and for faggots.) You can't do ANYTHING in this game that isn't boring as **** and super monotonous without having T2s. So why should I pay 9.99/mo for 3 months to do absolutely nothing for 3 months? |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1009
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:50:00 -
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you spend those 3 months+ learning the basic mechanics of the eve systems T1 ships & modules are dirt cheap in comparison to most of their T2 counterparts therefore it's cheaper to lose things along the way whilst you learn stuff
high skills are a nice bonus, but eve does not work in the same way that other level based mmo's work
in wow 100 level 1 characters can do absolutely nothing to a level 90 character in eve 100 1 day old characters can utterly destroy the ship of a 9 year old vet |

Serneral Ikehor
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:51:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:you spend those 3 months+ learning the basic mechanics of the eve systems T1 ships & modules are dirt cheap in comparison to most of their T2 counterparts therefore it's cheaper to lose things along the way whilst you learn stuff
high skills are a nice bonus, but eve does not work in the same way that other level based mmo's work
in wow 100 level 1 characters can do absolutely nothing to a level 90 character in eve 100 1 day old characters can utterly destroy the ship of a 9 year old vet
You're an idiot. Nothing you said is true other than T2s are more expensive than T1s.
This game has a learning curve, sure - but just read and you learn really easily that it's a very simple game. A "level 1" in EVE cannot destroy anything a 9 year vet can fly. A 9 year vet has support skills that trump the **** out of anything a 1 day old character could ever muster. That's a stupid ******* example that a 12 year old would use. This is 2013 don't be a ******* idiot. |

Dario Wall
Corvus Industries
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:53:00 -
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I started my PVP career using pure T1 fits and had no trouble going against T2 ships and fits, and that was years ago when I didn't have level 4 or 5 in most of my skills. If you're struggling in PVP, then take another look at your fit and how you fly it, or try teaming up with others in your area to take out targets.
Missions can also be done in full T1 fits. I used to run L4 missions in a T1 cruise Raven before I got my skills up for other ships and fits. Like with PVP, if you're struggling with it try teaming up or taking a look at your fit. There are plenty of great guides out there that can help you find a fit that works, as well as mission guides with all the information needed to run the missions safely.
Remember, this is an MMO so it will tend to lean more towards catering to the team player than those that solo. |

Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:56:00 -
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Serneral Ikehor wrote: You can't PvP w/ T1s. You can't do missions past L2 w/ T1s. You can't do FW with T1s unless you just AFK at plexes (which is ******* stupid and for faggots.) You can't do ANYTHING in this game that isn't boring as **** and super monotonous without having T2s. So why should I pay 9.99/mo for 3 months to do absolutely nothing for 3 months?
That's simply not true. When I was a newbro I was happily running Level 3 missions in a Hurricane with T1 guns and T1 drones. Sure, it wasn't as fast or efficient, but I could do every mission.
My corp is currently the corp with the 4th highest number of kills in EVE in the past 90 days. The ship that we use the most, scoring over 5,700 kills with in the past 90 days, is the Atron fitted with T1 guns, often just Meta 0 or Meta 1.
My first PVP fights were all with T1 guns.
When my missioning alt began running Level 4 missions he was using.... T1 guns.
Anyone who is telling you that you need T2 is lying.
Sure, T2 makes it easier. But T1 will get the job done.
There is nothing that you cannot do tomorrow if you immediately got T2 weapons that you are unable to do today with T1. |

Serneral Ikehor
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:57:00 -
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Dario Wall wrote:I started my PVP career using pure T1 fits and had no trouble going against T2 ships and fits, and that was years ago when I didn't have level 4 or 5 in most of my skills. If you're struggling in PVP, then take another look at your fit and how you fly it, or try teaming up with others in your area to take out targets.
Missions can also be done in full T1 fits. I used to run L4 missions in a T1 cruise Raven before I got my skills up for other ships and fits. Like with PVP, if you're struggling with it try teaming up or taking a look at your fit. There are plenty of great guides out there that can help you find a fit that works, as well as mission guides with all the information needed to run the missions safely.
Remember, this is an MMO so it will tend to lean more towards catering to the team player than those that solo.
Here let's do this.
Go right now to lowsec.
Your fit allowed:
Frigate T1 hybrids T1 ammo T1 rigs, armor only T1 drones if you're using gal You can have DC2
Now find a target in a harpy and win the fight.
Didn't think so. You're doing 100dps max against someone with 8k+ EHP and a speedtank that makes you do 2-10 per volley.
I'm not saying the game is bad. I'm saying it's out dated and new characters start way too far behind.
You definitely didn't do L4s with T1 guns. |

Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1009
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Posted - 2013.12.10 17:57:00 -
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Serneral Ikehor wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:you spend those 3 months+ learning the basic mechanics of the eve systems T1 ships & modules are dirt cheap in comparison to most of their T2 counterparts therefore it's cheaper to lose things along the way whilst you learn stuff
high skills are a nice bonus, but eve does not work in the same way that other level based mmo's work
in wow 100 level 1 characters can do absolutely nothing to a level 90 character in eve 100 1 day old characters can utterly destroy the ship of a 9 year old vet You're an idiot. Nothing you said is true other than T2s are more expensive than T1s. This game has a learning curve, sure - but just read and you learn really easily that it's a very simple game. A "level 1" in EVE cannot destroy anything a 9 year vet can fly. A 9 year vet has support skills that trump the **** out of anything a 1 day old character could ever muster. That's a stupid ******* example that a 12 year old would use. This is 2013 don't be a ******* idiot.
due to forum moderation regarding personal attacks and flaming, anything I have to say to you will have to implied from this reply
enjoy uninstalling eve
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Eli Kzanti
The Pod Foundation
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:06:00 -
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Obvious troll is far too obvious.
Try harder. |

Veritaal
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:07:00 -
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Serneral Ikehor wrote:I feel like without having T2s and level 4 minimum in support skills (In Gunnery and Drones) that there is literally 0 reason to play this game.
You can't PvP w/ T1s. You can't do missions past L2 w/ T1s. You can't do FW with T1s unless you just AFK at plexes (which is ******* stupid and for faggots.) You can't do ANYTHING in this game that isn't boring as **** and super monotonous without having T2s. So why should I pay 9.99/mo for 3 months to do absolutely nothing for 3 months?
Cant PVP in T1 ships? Most people I know PVP almost exclusively in T1 hulls. Especially when it comes to frigates, which are welcome in every fleet in EvE. Hell, I have seen people fit up rookie ships with autocannons.... and GET KILLS WITH THEM. So saying you cant PVP with T1s is simply wrong.
Can't do missions past lvl 2? I certainly hope you're just referring to T2 weapons with this. Because if you think you need a Command Ship/Marauder to complete missions, you're horrible. Meta 4 weapons have the same fire rate and damage multiplier as T2 - just without the ability to use T2 ammo. Just use faction ammo and you'll be fine. As for T2 tanking/cap mods, those take very little time compared to the weapon skills....
T2 ships/gear aren't the magical "I Win" button of eve, nor are they any sort of bar that one must hurtle in order to be effective in a role.
If you can't find something fun to do with T1 gear, then you won't have any fun with their T2 counterparts - especially once you learn just how little insurance pays on them! |

Dario Wall
Corvus Industries
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:10:00 -
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Serneral Ikehor wrote:Dario Wall wrote:I started my PVP career using pure T1 fits and had no trouble going against T2 ships and fits, and that was years ago when I didn't have level 4 or 5 in most of my skills. If you're struggling in PVP, then take another look at your fit and how you fly it, or try teaming up with others in your area to take out targets.
Missions can also be done in full T1 fits. I used to run L4 missions in a T1 cruise Raven before I got my skills up for other ships and fits. Like with PVP, if you're struggling with it try teaming up or taking a look at your fit. There are plenty of great guides out there that can help you find a fit that works, as well as mission guides with all the information needed to run the missions safely.
Remember, this is an MMO so it will tend to lean more towards catering to the team player than those that solo. Here let's do this. Go right now to lowsec. Your fit allowed: Frigate T1 hybrids T1 ammo T1 rigs, armor only T1 drones if you're using gal You can have DC2 Now find a target in a harpy and win the fight. Didn't think so. You're doing 100dps max against someone with 8k+ EHP and a speedtank that makes you do 2-10 per volley. I'm not saying the game is bad. I'm saying it's out dated and new characters start way too far behind. You definitely didn't do L4s with T1 guns.
Believe it or not, it doesn't matter. Level 4 missions can be done in T1 ships with T1 fits if you fit them properly and pay any attention at all during missions.
As far as your "challenge" is concerned I'm just going to point out that yes, in most cases a lone T1 frigate with T1 fit will lose to a lone T2 frigate.
I'd link killboards to show what I've done solo in T1 ships, but most of my kills are lost on old corporation killboards that I no longer have the URLs for. |
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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3039
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:17:00 -
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I would like to point out that I got this kill in a completely meta 0 fitting: https://zkillboard.com/detail/31187955/
The majority of the cost came more from the paste I used in my AAR, more than all the other modules and the ship combined. The Drake is a Lie |

Mad Mort Woundwort
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:19:00 -
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Eli Kzanti wrote:Obvious troll is far too obvious.
Try harder.
I was going to comment, but you pretty much summed it up right there. |

Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
49
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Posted - 2013.12.10 18:46:00 -
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Serneral Ikehor wrote: Here let's do this.
Go right now to lowsec.
Your fit allowed:
Frigate T1 hybrids T1 ammo T1 rigs, armor only T1 drones if you're using gal You can have DC2
Now find a target in a harpy and win the fight.
Didn't think so. You're doing 100dps max against someone with 8k+ EHP and a speedtank that makes you do 2-10 per volley
Cruor with 2 T1 laser and 2 T1 neuts with T1 AB, T1 scram T1 web, T2 dc, t1 200mm plate, T1 heat sink, thermal resist rig, kinetic resist rig, trimark rig.
It can be flown with T1 skills and will beat a T2 blaster Harpy. Harpy will be neuted out in under 10 seconds. Crupr can the. Take all time it wants to chip away at the shields. Harpy cant speed tank under web with no cap for the prop mod. |

Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3042
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:00:00 -
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Degnar Oskold wrote:Serneral Ikehor wrote: Here let's do this.
Go right now to lowsec.
Your fit allowed:
Frigate T1 hybrids T1 ammo T1 rigs, armor only T1 drones if you're using gal You can have DC2
Now find a target in a harpy and win the fight.
Didn't think so. You're doing 100dps max against someone with 8k+ EHP and a speedtank that makes you do 2-10 per volley
Cruor with 2 T1 laser and 2 T1 neuts with T1 AB, T1 scram T1 web, T2 dc, t1 200mm plate, T1 heat sink, thermal resist rig, kinetic resist rig, trimark rig. It can be flown with T1 skills and will beat a T2 blaster Harpy. Harpy will be neuted out in under 10 seconds. Crupr can the. Take all time it wants to chip away at the shields. Harpy cant speed tank under web with no cap for the prop mod.
That sounds fun, I might have to try that, or maybe make a dragoon variant :D
Man, that web amount bonus tho... mmmm
The Drake is a Lie |

Jim Roebuck
StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome.
143
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:13:00 -
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Serneral Ikehor wrote: You're an idiot. Nothing you said is true other than T2s are more expensive than T1s.
This game has a learning curve, sure - but just read and you learn really easily that it's a very simple game. A "level 1" in EVE cannot destroy anything a 9 year vet can fly. A 9 year vet has support skills that trump the **** out of anything a 1 day old character could ever muster. That's a stupid ******* example that a 12 year old would use. This is 2013 don't be a ******* idiot.
You ask for help, and you insult those of higher intelligence. The ones who have more experience than you. I suggest you watch what you say, for even to new players it can have repercussions. When Bon Scott died and he appeared before St. Peter at the gates of Heaven, St. Peter looked at his record and told him he couldn't get in. Just then, God screams at Peter, "Let him in, Karen Carpenter is driving me nuts. I want to hear some music with balls. We'll haggle over the paperwork later." At least I hope that's what happened. |

Otis Koraka
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:18:00 -
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So to sum up the original post. You want everything given to you.... So then you can complain about how easy the game is.... Gotcha.
No need to reply, we all know what you will say. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14814
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:36:00 -
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Serneral Ikehor wrote:I feel like without having T2s and level 4 minimum in support skills (In Gunnery and Drones) that there is literally 0 reason to play this game.
You can't PvP w/ T1s. You can't do missions past L2 w/ T1s. You can't do FW with T1s unless you just AFK at plexes (which is ******* stupid and for faggots.) You can't do ANYTHING in this game that isn't boring as **** and super monotonous without having T2s. So why should I pay 9.99/mo for 3 months to do absolutely nothing for 3 months? You don't have to, you can quit. That's the beauty of the subscription model, imagine how pissed you'd be if you'd just dropped -ú30, in one go, on X-Rebirth or similar only to find it unplayable because it's buggier than Klendathu.
Btw you can totally run lvl 4 missions with a full T1 loadout, I used to run C3 wormhole anoms solo in a T1 Drake (slowly and badly but it was doable) on my first character. I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4393
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Posted - 2013.12.10 19:53:00 -
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Serneral Ikehor wrote:Here let's do this.
Go right now to lowsec.
Your fit allowed:
Frigate T1 hybrids T1 ammo T1 rigs, armor only T1 drones if you're using gal You can have DC2
Now find a target in a harpy and win the fight.
Neut tristan.
Now it's your turn.
Take your T2 Harpy, pick a fight with a T1-fit caracal who appears at 60km and win.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos
49
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:00:00 -
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Serneral Ikehor wrote: Here let's do this.
Go right now to lowsec.
Your fit allowed:
Frigate T1 hybrids T1 ammo T1 rigs, armor only T1 drones if you're using gal You can have DC2
Now find a target in a harpy and win the fight.
Didn't think so. You're doing 100dps max against someone with 8k+ EHP and a speedtank that makes you do 2-10 per volley.
Here's another fit that will beat the standard brawling afterburner fit T2 blaster harpy.
Tristan, with t1 microwarpdrive, t1 tracking disruptor, t1 point, 3 t1 capacitor control circuit rigs. Load up 5 T1 EM or Explosive damage drones, Damage control in the lows, drone damage mods. Orbit harpy under mwd, TD him, set the drones on him. Profit after a couple of minutes.
What if the harpy has a MWD? Then use a LML condor fitted with a MWD, and overdrive injector. Kite him while shooting into his EM or explosive resist holes. You won't do much damage, but again you'll be able to chip into him.
The general rule in PVP , though, is that to stand a good chance of beating someone you have to bring about as much ISK of stuff onto the field as they do. So if the guy shows up in a 30 mill isk (after fitting) assault frigate, you're going to struggle to beat him in a 1.5 million isk T1 frigate. So fight the assault frigate with a T1 Destroyer. Properly fitted with good meta T1 guns and mods, is should end up between 12 and 20 million.
A Neuting dragoon to fight the hawk, or a brawling thrasher, or a Talwar to fly around him firing into his Explosive resists hole.
The other important thing is that EVE is not a solo game. Three 1 week old characters in cheap ships can of ten take down a 9 year veteran in a blinged out deathmobile with the right fits and tactics. A good PVP corp will show you how this is done. |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
356
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Posted - 2013.12.10 20:17:00 -
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Serneral Ikehor wrote:
Your fit allowed:
Frigate T1 hybrids T1 ammo T1 rigs, armor only T1 drones if you're using gal You can have DC2
How does restricting the gun and rig types prove anything about T1 Vs. T2, exactly?
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