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HerrBert
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Posted - 2013.12.11 20:23:00 -
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Disclaimer: Warning the following Post is a satirical failed attempt at an honest issue. The TLDR is at the bottom marked TLDR! Everything above is the EXPLANATION! Since this is a forum, where most of the discussions are brain farts anyway please donGÇÖt degenerate this threat with the classical answers. All IGÇÖm trying to do here is that People should be more upset about the current state of wormholes, if they want **** to change, for more quality of gameplay in extend PvP!
Dear CCP, SchrodingerGÇÖs cat is dying, slowly... Along time ago there was a brilliant team of developers that said hey, what if we build a box with a lot of question marks, loose its manual and write GÇ£UNKNOWNGÇ¥ on all its covers. And we make it so challenging that people can find booty but not settle in. Sadly when CCP generated this Box they forgot to take out a key ingredient, its moons. Although I think even without Moons people would have accepted the challenge to live in the box, because the risk vs. reward was well worth it. Now we GÇ£jumpGÇ¥ to today, itGÇÖs the dawn of the third generation of Wormhole Corps. The C6 Titans of the Pioneer days are mostly dead or joined Noho, left for 0.0 or moved to C5 Space. But what kind of future is lying ahead of wormholes? Some people are hoping for War, some are hoping to farm till the golden age, some just want to be left alone and some are just kicking over sandcastles.
But the daily routine is rolling, rolling, GANK! Blueballs, Farming. Day in and day out, it made people invent a religion to compensate for the demoralizing daily affords. Like a Junkie, Wormholers are hunting for the next fix, claiming heroic combat when they killed a venture + pod. Back padding solo ganking miners with good fights and derping with snipers and sentries at a 100km to **** with othersGǪ in total itGÇÖs fun GǪ but its monotonous, yes Rubicon helped a lot but I want to show you now the pros and cons GǪ and in fact get a little bit more extreme to throw some ideas out there that in this case are in my eyes falsely represented.
First off wormholes are not broken, yes they work as intended, and problem is the big letters of unknown are not so unknown unless you talk about the actual wormhole alliance... still a mystery how they survive. AAAANYWAY Wormholes have an artificial GǣlimitGǥ which is co-related to mass but also Gǣsocial interactionGǥ. During the 2nd Generation of Wormholes with the Uprising of the C5-Corps, the limit only handicapped the payout of farming, but that got fixed by doing expos with a skeleton crew. Pretty simple pretty effective to get you that new moros or loose a couple of capsGǪ
So Income will never be a bottleneck for the Wormholers or at least sharing income, what will be a problem is the current PvP Dilemma where you can get ganked in 0.0 because you stayed too long in there and they finally got 3 times the people to Titan Bridge on your ass. Which in itself has this rare but funny situation that once 0.0 Pilots jumped to the Wormhole they look at it like cavemen who just discovered fire?
Miss re-presentation: GÇ£Uh wormhole, wormhole wobble, uuh wormhole flash.GÇ¥ The other option is that Wormholers as cute as they are just gank then themselves and most of the times its just ganking. Yes sometimes you have GÇ£fightsGÇ¥ sometimes itGÇÖs even arranged GǪ. But if you be honest the Lust for more is so huge that we come back to the fake religion and honestly blaming bob if the next fix takes again to ******* long. With that you have this constant stream, which is diminishing growth, of new comers that are intrigued by the old tales and vets that just go and play dota or buy a 0.0 coffin because well .. **** it lets burn down ****.
So in terms of development, Corps are at a stop, with no hammertime. Now the boost of the 2nd Gen and 3rd gen Wormhole corps still are corp bookmarks without those, **** would be waaaaay out of control, by that I mean they would be now a desolate place, worse than low sec. And now you have dedicated people that like accountants log in, after DT to get the new sigs and bookmark the new holes. Which is quality gameplay time ruined. But thatGÇÖs one aspect of why wormholes suck. There is also this misinformed notion of GÇ£why do we actually need ALLIANCE bookmarks.GÇ¥
0.0 has SRP (Ship Replacement Program) some Wormhole corps have TRP which is Theft Replacement Program which are sometimes so intense that they canGÇÖt afford a SRP and most losses of hulls get dumped on the Members. I think IGÇÖm understating when I say most mediocre wormhole corps have an average of 10b stolen from them during their existence. ThatGÇÖs because of ****** up mechanics that canGÇÖt get changed. By implementing alliance bookmarks lots of the corporate pos role problems can be circumvented. But then there is this whole argument about null sec and unbalanced advantages to what I can say, what? Actually besides hardware problems I never saw why that would be a problem.
X in Fleet is as solid as a 5 minute delayed bookmark in allianceGǪ But okay if you donGÇÖt want that than do us a favor and make wormholes to anomalies so literally no scanning will be requiredGǪ and before you all jump on the hatewagoon heading towards stupidville, LISTEN: My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

HerrBert
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Posted - 2013.12.11 20:23:00 -
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- Fact 1: Rubicon gave us Wormholes with Condoms. If you are too lazy to pay 2m for a Mobile Depot, a probe launcher and probes then you deserve to get stuck. So by that wormholes got even safer and scanning is more of a GÇ£bureaucraticGÇ¥ process that strains social interactions within corps and is not fostering any good gameplay or GÇ£content creationGÇ¥.
- Fact 2: Scanning canGÇÖt be your daily bread... THATGÇÖS Bullshit!
- Fact 3: The transformation of making Ore Belts Anomalies was and is a blessing in disguise because it kind of acts like methadone for the Junkies to get at least barge killsGǪ at least something.
- Fact 4: With odyssey ccp already robbed us on the subject of being sneaky in the first placeGǪ most people assume correctly that the new pop up signature is a new wormholeGǪ. So Run first and check what spawned laterGǪ
- Fact 5: Most active systems have sound picks on the hole (People sitting there waiting for the womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm)
- Fact 6: Most people get the new non text notification when the wormhole is wobbling like a belly dancer on a sultans partyGǪ and if that puppy is wobbling for 15 sec you know something big is coming if the dscan hasnGÇÖt told you yet because the other wormholes is at 22AU THANKS CCP!
Concluding Question: Would you rather have to scan an empty system for 3 Holes and by that ignoring 25 sigs that are not HOLESGǪ or do you like spending 10-15minutes for actually NOTHING, do you feel accomplished when you finished a 15 sig hole and jump into one with 17 sigs?
And for everybody thinking, that will open the flood gates for 0.0. First off, they still need to get beyond the ******* cavemen state and 2nd itGÇÖs still a game of mass, so the longer the chain the more wobbly the mass gets to get the entire fleet back and forth and they can get stranded pretty far, yes all chains lead to kspace that also means they can be separated and end up on the other side of null sec. GOOD TIMES getting out of a C3 > NullGǪ.
It is not a drastically measure as in fact we have been slowly already creeping towards it GǪ itGÇÖs just... letGÇÖs bite the bullet now before everybody leaves wormholes. We wouldnGÇÖt need Alliance Bookmarks then to be a little safe before the next common thief steals a couple of legionsGǪ
Now someone could say: GÇ£Okay but Wormholes were never intended to be colonized.GÇ¥ Well, the City of Mexico wasnGÇÖt expecting the slum settlements either but apparently now they got to deal with it.
So for everybody who went through the trouble reading this far, thanks now letGÇÖs get torches and pitchforks ready because now IGÇÖm getting really crazy. Because Wormholes as anomalies is rather harmless to the next bad thing I proclaim. LetGÇÖs be honest if we are here to finally take our quality dumb on the space we love letGÇÖs do it in style.
Next up to all the C4 Dwellers your space is to unsocialGǪ you need to ease up and get a 2nd static so Class 4 Wormholes connect up and down within wormholes, providing more connections in between clusters and chains. Yes, you may get more Visitors but then again itGÇÖs not like you guys canGÇÖt post alts at your entrances and see whatGÇÖs coming. You are already quick on your toes, when it comes to fresh incoming Wormholes. But also would that ease some other tension on c5 / c6 corps. Because most of the C4 Wormholes connecting up are empty, so they get used by younger members to boost their income, without harming the normal home site pve fleet. And young members are the blood of a good corp; they ask questions and are curious. All this is being said with only one thing in mind. If you need large amounts of ISK go to Incursion land, yes itGÇÖs a little clusterfuck between the main fleets but **** it, good isk with 0 Risk. If you just want to do PI in the C4, I know C2 corps with more Balls then you GǪ vicious little animals. My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

HerrBert
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Posted - 2013.12.11 20:24:00 -
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Next up, the actual PVE GÇô Content: Apperently at the conception of Wormholes CCP thought of Unknown, so in total the entire backstory delivered by notifications can be written down on a napkin. And yes if you support it with Lore and some pages from CCP latest Book (***** One) yes you got some content, but letGÇÖs be honest, those 4 types of combat anomalies per class are rather pathetic for a space claiming to be GÇ£unknownGÇ¥. I remember what was actually unknown when the sleepers came into existence. GÇ£Wait 1 NPC can Neut, Scram, Web me and does HUGE amounts of DPS?GÇ¥ Oh Lord that scared the **** out of me so much. When I got used to it, I got a strange feeling when I tried out kspace Sites after quite some time (3 years) and was worried if my Tengu could withstand the damageGǪ Oh how I laughed at my worries. So instead of the same old same old, letGÇÖs reinvent combat anomalies to Combat Anom 2.0 featuring NPC2.0. Everybody knows that Sleepers have the better Version of the AI in extend they just throw more stuff towards your direction. So why not make it a ******* IPhone in a Mixer. Why does the new AI system have to apply to the mechanics of the old mission Environment? This is how normal sleeper interaction goes: GÇ£Kill Kill Trigger Wave, Kill Kill Trigger WaveGǪ Kill Kill Trigger WaveGǪ Rinse and repeat, also donGÇÖt forget to salvage because hey you got to pick up your own ****, you are in big boy space (Thank you for the mobile tractor unit but I stick with the salvage Legion). LetGÇÖs change that, yes you have triggers and you will have waves but you only know that A FRIG not THE FRIG is the Trigger and the Waves donGÇÖt have the same types of ships they are mixed and only average out when it comes to inflicted damage. So on a DPS Level the Waves are the same but in terms of E-War they mix up, which is kind of weird to say since sleeper normally just bring the entire range of kinky toys to the party anyway. This sounds GÇ£a littleGÇ¥ difficult but then again, wormholes werenGÇÖt meant to be colonized right? So especially not by solo people that just learned how to fly a Battlecruiser, this is the same team based challenge as in Incursion-Land. And on another note, if you are throwing caps at it you shouldnGÇÖt worry anyway. YES I MEAN ALL YOU NUTCASES IN CLASS 4 SPACE WITH FREAKING CHIMERAS.
Okay, where are we: TLDR -Fixing Corptheft Check -Fixing Burnout scanners for more PvP Check -Fixing PvE content to be a more team based afford Check -Fixing Isk sustainability for new players in Big Alliances/Corps by more Gǣinter connectivityGǥ Check -Fixing Class 4 Space GǪ only by gentrifying the entire estate
I know at first this seems stupid, but I think the worst Idea I had so far was an GÇ£Insurance PaperGÇ¥ that dissolves after 24 hours and canGÇÖt be resold, so you can actually insure your dread out here and have more idiots throwing them around, because this is why I love Wormholes, I find like-minded idiots that just want to throw **** at each other, but I do see how the loss of capitals can make a new struggling corp disappear again and thatGÇÖs sad, because I like to shoot people multiple times. (I still think a Fleet Commander ordering to buy insurance papers is a fleet well welped) Wormhole Space is now colonized, welcome to the 2nd decade. Can we now be upset, everybody? As a group, we already lost a lot of qualified people that loved the space but just got frustrated with its actual PVP Payout, so they moved to 0.0 or Low. This is fixable without a new shiny POS Overhaul replacement yaddiyaddi yaaaadiGǪ Also itGÇÖs all about getting more people into wormholes because our nodes need to be upgraded from hamster powered to constant **** is on fire show. Dear CCP SchrodingerGÇÖs Cat here, we are dying. Please, open the Box and look at us. Thanks for holding on for this long and best of luck hunting Bert
P.s.: Malformed Local conversation Why are you here? PvP! Come to the sun? No you are going to blob me!
Oh btw every time I used PvP itGÇÖs short for Player vs. PoCO
My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Posted - 2013.12.11 20:52:00 -
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Did we forget to take our pills today?
You forgot the WH wobble on warp to when the WH is mid massed. That **** HAS to go... Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |

HerrBert
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Posted - 2013.12.11 20:56:00 -
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All i m trying to do is make people want to fix their space and not sit there and get side effected by patches ...
DO YOU REMEMBER INFERNO? DO YOU? Wormhole space people are just to used to be good at "improvisation" and taking it up the arse... My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Posted - 2013.12.11 22:22:00 -
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Ok, so I actually tried to dig through the ramblings.
First you suggested alliance bookmarks, sure, I guess... I don't care about this either way but I AM tired of people b*tching about it so if it would shut all the lazy inept alliances up, can't be a bad thing right?
Then you go on to POS security, ok fine but that's really already in the works and will be sorted once personal SMAs are introduced like personal CHAs were.
Next you go on to say that you shouldnt need to scan WHs and that they should just be warpable, yeah guess that makes sen... wait.... WHAT??? You cannot be serious... News Flash: warpable WHs are called stargates and they already exist. If you want to use them, then I suggest youre living in the wrong space son.
I didn't read any further because you completely lost me there. Scanning is now as easy as I can possibly imagine it and frankly, if someone is too lazy to scan, I dont need them in my WH space. Scanning is the whole POINT of WHs space ffs... it's what makes it 'unknown'.
Look, I know you like WH space and have been here for a long time but if you don't want to be here, don't be.
The current list of issues with WH space in my book has 1 entry: the WH wobble on warp to. This is absolute garbage that completely ruins any sort of interactions on mid massed WHs. And guess what? it's a new 'feature' from CCP....
Regarding WH people needing to stand up and demand CCP provide more content/'fixes', Im also not on that train at all. For the past half dozen patches or so there have been random stealth changes, the stupid wobble being the latest, made to WH space that have all been universally terrible. Personally I want LESS CCP touching of WH space, not more. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |

HerrBert
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Posted - 2013.12.11 22:28:00 -
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Thats the point i m making .. if it would be me .. i would say **** CORP BOOKMARKS and auto updated sigs ... but i will be cursed if you say the unknown in wormholes is the scanning part.. thats what gets you to the unknown .. in its current form .. i dont enjoy scanning anymore as of .. its just digging through piles of junk to find the next pile of junk....there is no real unknown .. just stupidity and that gets rare.... everybody plays it safe .. so why the hastle ... atleast if i wouldnt have to throw fuckin sisters out of the window to announce my presence to get a grasp on the situation ... in the wormhole... are you actually still playing or still away for days? Go do some scanning :) My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:04:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:I d rather have my idea out there before the next horrible idea comes around... like a personal SMA that can store 3 cruisers per Person ....
For example when you fly a ship with a Corp Hangar, you got those nice green icons, why cannot i have a SMA with that functions or mark my ship to be bound to my pilot only ... LIKE i dont know CAR KEYS? for the last time... POS related changed are NOT wormhole issues. theyre POS issues. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |

Erica Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:11:00 -
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10/10.
I'm a pleb, so you lost me at several of your points but it doesn't matter because I had a great laugh simply from your writing style and always appreciate a text wall.
Many of your points I did understand I found I could kinda agree with. Although Jack is also on the money with his replies. Truth's always in the middle somewhere I guess, and ain't no way I'm getting between you guys. 
HerrBert wrote: womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm This made my day. I watch your videos and could totally hear you making that noise.
TLDR: Herrbert for CSM. Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia | Morale Officer (Pinup model) CEO Nighthawk Exploration | Just an innocent explorer passing through-á pâä OOPE Pinup Calender applications |

HerrBert
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:12:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:HerrBert wrote:I d rather have my idea out there before the next horrible idea comes around... like a personal SMA that can store 3 cruisers per Person ....
For example when you fly a ship with a Corp Hangar, you got those nice green icons, why cannot i have a SMA with that functions or mark my ship to be bound to my pilot only ... LIKE i dont know CAR KEYS? for the last time... POS related changed are NOT wormhole issues. theyre POS issues.
if you would have payed attention .. Alliance Bookmarks could fix the common thief :P so go suck it, dont need to be another issue to get fixed by another issue.. welcome to EvE this is Fixcaption... you fix something by using something else... LIKE IT IS THE WAY OF THE CAPSULEER .. CPP GIVES.. Player fudges it up and throws it back My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Sum Olgy
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:32:00 -
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I'm with Bert. Wormholes, while perhaps not broken, need some love and some new ideas.
CCP say they want more interaction and more conflict in the game. I'll drink to that but actions CCP, not just words.
And don't be lazy people - chuck ideas on here - even in this thread. Or at your favourite CSM member. There are two quite dedicated to wormholes - try them - they don't bite.
For a start - CCP - you said you never expected people to live in wormholes. Perhaps you should make it so it's really really hard to. Or at least harder than now. Significantly. Make the player base come up with new ideas to thwart your expansions.
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HerrBert
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:34:00 -
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Bert wrote:Now someone could say: GÇ£Okay but Wormholes were never intended to be colonized.GÇ¥ Well, the City of Mexico wasnGÇÖt expecting the slum settlements either but apparently now they got to deal with it.
I hope people will remember that.... My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Sum Olgy
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.12.11 23:41:00 -
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Bert - your every word is burnt into the back of my retina. |

Steven Hackett
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:15:00 -
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1 thing Bert.. The WH's as anomaly part..
I think one of the greatest parts of w-space is that people don't scan their entire chain, cause lazy.. When you watch an enemy fleet and know they doesn't know where your WH is, cause they havn't dropped probes to find it. If everyone had the WH's as anomalies, you would loose that surprise, which is also why the autoupdating siglist is bullshit.
Also, why is it, that CCP every damn patch goes "no new content for w-space" and yet, they always manage to ruin the wormhole effects or our gameplay.. It is pretty damn impressive tbh. |

HerrBert
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:16:00 -
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Steven Hackett wrote:1 thing Bert.. The WH's as anomaly part..
I think one of the greatest parts of w-space is that people don't scan their entire chain, cause lazy.. When you watch an enemy fleet and know they doesn't know where your WH is, cause they havn't dropped probes to find it. If everyone had the WH's as anomalies, you would loose that surprise, which is also why the autoupdating siglist is bullshit.
Also, why is it, that CCP every damn patch goes "no new content for w-space" and yet, they always manage to ruin the wormhole effects or our gameplay.. It is pretty damn impressive tbh.
Hences the fact why i rather contiously walk into the fire then just get shot in the face by it.... My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Andrew Jester
Jester's Hole
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:43:00 -
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C4 dual static would be wonderful. Think C4 -> C4/C2 would be in high demand... Would also give those of us who shafted themselves with C5 -> C4 holes a nice C2 highway to roam. |

Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:46:00 -
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Steven Hackett wrote:Also, why is it, that CCP every damn patch goes "no new content for w-space" and yet, they always manage to ruin the wormhole effects or our gameplay.. It is pretty damn impressive tbh. ^this is the stance I have as well. CCP have demonstrated time and time again that they can't make even the smallest changes to WH space without messing it up. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |

Maxisabe
Boris Johnson's Love Children
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:51:00 -
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Just want to point out that not having to scan wormholes would change pvp in a pretty harmful way, possibly killing WH space.
If wormholes were warpable then we would pretty much instantly have the entire chain scouted, nothing would be a surprise. Small corps/farmers/solo would also be much less viable.
Quite often when scouting a chain, if we run into potential pew we don't want to drop probes and alert the pew to POS up. In effect this means we know the chain up to that system and no further, which can and has turned into three way fights. This is about the only time two fleets can come together without scouting each other first. ( unless your Boris, in which case your welp your fleet into another unscouted fleet that is known for having more numbers with half your fleet not aligned/afk and no logistics ) |

HerrBert
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Posted - 2013.12.12 00:58:00 -
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Maxisabe wrote:Just want to point out that not having to scan wormholes would change pvp in a pretty harmful way, possibly killing WH space.
If wormholes were warpable then we would pretty much instantly have the entire chain scouted, nothing would be a surprise. Small corps/farmers/solo would also be much less viable.
Quite often when scouting a chain, if we run into potential pew we don't want to drop probes and alert the pew to POS up. In effect this means we know the chain up to that system and no further, which can and has turned into three way fights. This is about the only time two fleets can come together without scouting each other first. ( unless your Boris, in which case your welp your fleet into another unscouted fleet that is known for having more numbers with half your fleet not aligned/afk and no logistics )
I do get that, honestly i do love it.
Core Probes = Knocking at the door Combat Probes = Rattling Cages
But in an awful twist of fade, you are hanging on to something that once was and has been patched so far from its initial use, that you can actually forget it. I rather kill the current way of PvP in Wormholes and force it more to a game of scouts and cloaks ... to truely live in the shadows again. Since there are already plenty of Alarm bells before you drop probes.... Sound and Scanpickets being the oldest fellas. And the so called "Three-way" is something that rather happens once every blood moon....like i said the addiction to this and its "past" is very strong and the history of CCP killing it by a thousand stings is way past breaking point
I m Done... CCP HILMAR TEAR DOWN THAT WALL! My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:23:00 -
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IsupportBert.com
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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:26:00 -
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Sandcastle-kicking shitpoaster checking in...
I'm going to have to read this in sessions, Bert. So far, good read. Expensive Agent |

HerrBert
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Posted - 2013.12.12 01:57:00 -
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If you dont like the post... you will like this
01:41:14 Combat 5329 from Secure Mainframe - Hits
Gnosis 2 EANM 2 1600mm alive and still kicking. My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Remy Nolen
Sama Guild
0
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Posted - 2013.12.12 03:55:00 -
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Some1's been blue balled in C4 space a bit too much. Only logical thing to explain your frothing. C4 space is pratically perfect as it is right now & honestly is the TRUE WH space. I'd go as far to say it's the most balanced space in all of EvE. |

Blodhgarm Dethahal
Transcendent Sedition Dustm3n
62
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Posted - 2013.12.12 04:22:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:
The fun in wormholes is not the Scanning part, its the layout of the chains itself, in what system to fight, who is also connected and what is behind the next hole ... NOT IGNORING GAS, RELIC and DATA SITES ... THATS NOT UNKNOWN THATS ******* ACCOUNTANTS WORK!
Hmm.. I don't know about you guys but I kinda like scanning myself, and I've been doing it since day one.. haven't gotten burned out yet. Sure I let the new guys take the reins every now and then but they need the experience, but I kinda enjoy the quietness with my probes and my ship.
So I find it very odd that you consider scanning should not be your 'daily bread.' What should my bread be then? Cereal? You know everything has daily bread right? Nullsec has its Blobs and Sov Warfare and Titan Bridges and all that stuff. We have cloaks, scanning, and T3s.
To me, on this specific point, you yourself are burned out of scanning. Have you tried taking a break from it? I suggest low sec. -Bl+¦d
Transcendent Sedition is recruiting! Join "TSED Recruitment" chat ingame to talk to us if you are interested in Wormhole life! |

Jack Miton
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
2472
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Posted - 2013.12.12 04:43:00 -
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Remy Nolen wrote:Some1's been blue balled in C4 space a bit too much. Only logical thing to explain your frothing. C4 space is pratically perfect as it is right now & honestly is the TRUE WH space. I'd go as far to say it's the most balanced space in all of EvE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0 Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ |

Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
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Posted - 2013.12.12 04:59:00 -
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Remy Nolen wrote:Some1's been blue balled in C4 space a bit too much. Only logical thing to explain your frothing. C4 space is pratically perfect as it is right now & honestly is the TRUE WH space. I'd go as far to say it's the most balanced space in all of EvE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJL4Y3aGPuA Expensive Agent |

Winthorp
Sky Fighters
254
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:16:00 -
[27] - Quote
Witchway wrote:IsupportBert.com
This, but really ima going to have to be a whole lot more drunker to read your kind of crazy bert.
I will wait until i am plastered and read it aloud in your accent. |

Billy Hardcore
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
2
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Posted - 2013.12.12 08:05:00 -
[28] - Quote
hmm......HMMMMMMM....must think harder upon this |

Sirius Fidelis
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
14
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 08:16:00 -
[29] - Quote
Can anyone translate this into English?
Thanks in advance! |

Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1085
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:14:00 -
[30] - Quote
I find it hard to motivate my self to do anything in wormholes anymore due to that fact that i've been doing the same stuff day in day out for about 3 year now. The is nothing new or interesting to in wormholes any more and ccp doesn't seem care.
The only reason i still live in WH space is because chitsa keeps coming on our comms saying "there is something really exciting for wormhole folks coming in the next update guys"... I'm starting to think he's talking crap.
+1 |

Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
97
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 14:17:00 -
[31] - Quote
I don't understand how this became a thread. |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
176
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:20:00 -
[32] - Quote
Several did see through my GÇ£sarcasmGÇ¥ and of course the GÇ£optionGÇ¥ of changing Wormholes to non-scanable objects is outrages and for those that donGÇÖt understand where IGÇÖm coming from when IGÇÖm saying this: I wish I could be average John Q Wormhole but IGÇÖve seen over the past two years how Wormhole space changed without the real GÇ£intentionGÇ¥ of changing it. Most changes were Quality of Life changes but their Impact, (example Corp Bookmarks) are beyond Quality of Life, with them the cultivation of the 2nd and 3rd Generation corps was even possible in their current form, most of these Corps have the ability to sustain players within Wormholes without having those hardcore Scan pilots. As a good example I would suggest Kwon Po from Kill or Lammhoofd Hashdur from SSC, Icky from SUSU and several others that perfected scanning towards an Art form, although itGÇÖs just GÇ£scanningGÇ¥, they can swoop through systems within minutes and the Tools they had and the development of the scanning system made the advantage they acquired by training GÇ£neglect ableGÇ¥. Thanks to constant GÇ£improvementsGÇ¥ for the GÇ£generalGÇ¥ player. Wormhole Space and its residents have this sad realization which is derived from a time when they actually wanted to move to wormholes. Wormholes were a challenge, it was different in terms of Mechanics and Environment also with the System Bonuses which rarely get used for Fleetfights unless itGÇÖs a home system or through sheer coincidence you ended up fighting there, the real tactical advantage of the Environment is not the prime focus of the fight, the prime focus of the fight is just getting the fightGǪ which is sad, then again there are already calls that Wormholes are of Null sec nature, without the Problem of making Wormholes non scan able anomalies. So for now we are tip toeing around an issue where we already lost the control, it is time for the Player to make use of his voice and make CSM say nasty things about their favorite space. The silent resentment towards developing Wormholes is Bullshit and people who say they care but donGÇÖt want anything changed can go get their noodle sucked behind a 7/11GǪ Because you canGÇÖt say that Wormhole Space is getting bad and just sit on your ass and watch it. We made GÇ£the impossibleGÇ¥ possible. All GÇ£Eve-MediaGÇ¥ Persons couldnGÇÖt believe that we were able to post 2 CSMs and we did it, **** we almost managed to get a third. Next year if we can there will be three and in its current state Wormholes will keep growing, it is just our decision if we want to interact and be part of its development or just get pushed to the sideline put our legs behind our neck and whisper: GÇ£Please be gentle CCP.GÇ¥
The Ideas proposed in this Topic are a little GÇ£extremeGÇ¥ but they grab attention and while everybody can agree of having alliance bookmarks is a good idea, what got them here is a dude on a sandbox shouting at the top of his lungs that you idiots should be part of the development and not just victims, because if not IGÇÖm going to get my Wormholes as Anomalies, because you brainwastes just were sitting on your arses and demanded wonders from a team that has a ridicioulous reputation of screwing up on a cataclysmic scale (Sorry CCP with all the love I have for you but itGÇÖs a 10 year running gag to say GǪ Never play on patch day). Actually in a perverted and twisted mind like mine it is safe to say that inventing the CSM (besides all the nasty things people said) is to help us communicate to CCP what we GÇ£wantGÇ¥ and GÇ£needGÇ¥ and not just a rely thatGÇÖs say yeah everything fine over here because itGÇÖs not. (By god I donGÇÖt say current and past CSM ******, IGÇÖm far from that itGÇÖs rather we send people into a meatgrinder without backup).
Case and point the sad conditions to test wormhole space on SISIGǪ if I want to quickly test anything, pos features IN A WORMHOLE, or Environmental Effects or what da **** maybe some tricks with capitals.. I have to use TQ out of convenienceGǪ and throw 12b into a ******* side for SCIENCE!!!! Sure... I can do that and find things that are broken... but I rather have a crazy testing environment for that, to be even more productive and crazy. You donGÇÖt believe me? I did C5 Escalations with 2 Caps on my own, it takes a little longer but it is possible. Webbing and Target-Painting Drones maybe inferior, but they still can do the trick. Go a little deeper and the situation gets worse, consistently CCP is showing that all new features are balanced in such a way GǪ that they werenGÇÖt tested for Wormholes. In wormholes where every Cap Pilot has this MacGyver-esque fitting habit with COMBAT REFITTING, you give them the ability to refits for 1 Million Isk!! Think about it, Combat Refits have been so popular within the Wormhole Community that CCP just went with the Axe through it without thinkingGǪ
Normally Combat refitting was something that required prep and 1 or 2 Carriers (2 if you want to refit a carrier)GǪfirst they castrate the ability to change rigs by increasing its cost (believe me people did and do it) okayGǪ but then they replace the carrier advantage of an SMA with a 1 Million ISK Module, now Wormhole space is combat refitting ALL THE THINGS. What does this mean, you may ask? Well take a Dominix normally you know them as close combat blaster + heavy drones combat (in general) with the latest trend of using Sentries on ALL THE THINGS the mobile depot not only gives you the ability to widen the range of drones you can drop, but you can refit between, sniping, close range, Neuts, smart bombs .. As much as your cargo can hold making you an on field pvp ship jack of all trades (MJD + Warp Core Stabs are still my favorite because F-You). If you are sitting there now and screaming they are not supposed to TOUCH wormhole PvPGǪ welcome to Rubicon stuffs already upside down, it gets worse for dreads. My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
176
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:21:00 -
[33] - Quote
Your dread is trapped? Because you failed at crashing/scouting... HAHA no problem, here a little scenario for all panicking dread pilots: You are tackled on a hole by a bubble, now normally given the EHP in that situation you have GÇ£quiteGÇ¥ some time to fight back. First you lock the Bubbler with 5 Sebos, refit to webs (given the nature of the bubbler he will be next to you) and shoot, bubbler down. If the bubbler doesnGÇÖt go down you refit to Warp Core Stabs and Heavy Neuts get or keep medium guns with ya just to get rid of that sabreGǪ the point being here GǪ it is easy to through a lot of new ways to combat lucky GÇ£catchesGÇ¥ or sneak approaches.. Making wormholes even safer and safer GǪ by now I would say Wormholes are safer then Low Sec
Wormhole space pvp like we know it died a long time ago and things are constantly changing and it gets worse with every patch we are just sitting on our ass. You are an idiot if you donGÇÖt have Warp Core Stabs and Depot with you for every ship. (well frigs maybe silly)
My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Caius Beriat
Blackstar Privateers Disavowed.
39
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:11:00 -
[34] - Quote
I'm still having trouble making out this wall of text.
Is this basically the same thread that comes around every few months? We are bored, pew is dead bla bla bla? |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
176
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Posted - 2013.12.12 15:12:00 -
[35] - Quote
Caius Beriat wrote:I'm still having trouble making out this wall of text.
Is this basically the same thread that comes around every few months? We are bored, pew is dead bla bla bla?
Nope, although I admit to be bored I m focusing my "anger" at the community for slacking...
and as someone who was at the annual xmas wormhole super blab fest... this time hosted by disavowed i can say PvP isnt dead ... definitly NOT! :D My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
351
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 16:44:00 -
[36] - Quote
What's wrong with scanning 17 sigs, that's two to four minutes in an empty pod, more towards 1-2 minutes with implants.
In short: I disagree and think you're one lazy slacker. Wormholes need to be scanned down, or else you'll remove the last bit of unknown we try to hold dear. Wouldn't mind a U-turn regarding the sig-pop-up and wobbling-mechanics though. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec" |

Nutmegpainter
Whale Girth Disavowed.
33
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:45:00 -
[37] - Quote
Damn here herb, did you write this while logged off in our home ??    |

stup idity
46
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Posted - 2013.12.12 16:47:00 -
[38] - Quote
HerrBert wrote:Honestly you guys are worse then Treehuggers, at least they can safe one Tree each.
Holehuggers, one hole at a time.
I am the Herald of all beings that are me. |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
177
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:47:00 -
[39] - Quote
Nope thats when i learned to play the harmonica
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33yQZJ49isE My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Nikki Vix
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
2
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:05:00 -
[40] - Quote
sooo much rabble rabble
as always . . . Jack speaks the truth, the fewer CCP hands in w space the better !! |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
177
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:33:00 -
[41] - Quote
Nikki Vix wrote:sooo much rabble rabble
as always . . . Jack speaks the truth, the fewer CCP hands in w space the better !!
Because most of you guys are still in wormholes... My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
135
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 19:36:00 -
[42] - Quote
I blame BLOJO for turning bert into a lazy carebear. |

Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
365
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 21:00:00 -
[43] - Quote
Herbb, My Man!
Well I agree with some (alliance bms and dual static c4's), dissagree with toher (no-scan wh's)
But overall CCP should look at wormholes and fix some low hanging fruits thing to make it flourish again like it used too Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
177
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 21:15:00 -
[44] - Quote
Max Kolonko wrote:Herbb, My Man!
Well I agree with some (alliance bms and dual static c4's), dissagree with toher (no-scan wh's)
But overall CCP should look at wormholes and fix some low hanging fruits thing to make it flourish again like it used too
Also: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE FIX WH CCP RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE (are you satisfied Herbb?)
I'm not asking them to fix it... they are doing a horrible job at it... its time for us to fix it with them...and by us i mean everybody and i m asking everybody to pull better ideas out of their holes :) My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
365
|
Posted - 2013.12.12 21:25:00 -
[45] - Quote
HerrBert wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:Herbb, My Man!
Well I agree with some (alliance bms and dual static c4's), dissagree with toher (no-scan wh's)
But overall CCP should look at wormholes and fix some low hanging fruits thing to make it flourish again like it used too
Also: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE FIX WH CCP RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE (are you satisfied Herbb?) I'm not asking them to fix it... they are doing a horrible job at it... its time for us to fix it with them...and by us i mean everybody and i m asking everybody to pull better ideas out of their holes :)
Dual static C4''s More "random" wormholes spawning "fix" c5/c6 cap escalation farming to force people out of their holes fix wormholes sound/animation allaince bookmarks personal SMA's more settings for personal hangars and SMA (allow person you want to to have access to them) random spawns for sleepers sites
Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
177
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Posted - 2013.12.12 21:31:00 -
[46] - Quote
Max Kolonko wrote:HerrBert wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:Herbb, My Man!
Well I agree with some (alliance bms and dual static c4's), dissagree with toher (no-scan wh's)
But overall CCP should look at wormholes and fix some low hanging fruits thing to make it flourish again like it used too
Also: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE FIX WH CCP RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE (are you satisfied Herbb?) I'm not asking them to fix it... they are doing a horrible job at it... its time for us to fix it with them...and by us i mean everybody and i m asking everybody to pull better ideas out of their holes :) Dual static C4''s More "random" wormholes spawning "fix" c5/c6 cap escalation farming to force people out of their holes fix wormholes sound/animation allaince bookmarks personal SMA's more settings for personal hangars and SMA (allow person you want to to have access to them) random spawns for sleepers sites
now we are getting somewhere :) My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
179
|
Posted - 2013.12.13 15:04:00 -
[47] - Quote
So random spawns for sleepers, i mean i kinda gave an outline about how i imagine that ... but are there any other good / bad ideas that are related to that subject?
I know for example in Evil null sec incursion rats are pretty nasty on gate camping, maybe Wormholes need some "random" rats waiting at the Pocos? :D My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Surely You're Joking
13
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Posted - 2013.12.13 17:56:00 -
[48] - Quote
- Make k162 spawn with original wh. This also fix the lack of wh's on sisi. (farming in wormholes is safer than doing freighter in highsec) - More connections. Dual static everywhere. More connections = more interaction etc - Sleepers at wormholes, at random place in space, at pocos and sleepers shooting your tower - Random escalation waves but same total amount (negated by the 20 dreads and 5 carriers at once but meh) - No forcefield. Refit to cloak at depo if you want to be hidden
But more than anything. All the hidden lore stuff that we obviously havent figured out fully yet. More of it. And make it lead to something new in wormholes. If we can make gates in future, why not wormholes to unknown destinations (random wh generator to random wh, maybe to a new type of wormhole. Yeah blasphemy. But )?
- Calaretu |

Longinius Spear
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
207
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Posted - 2013.12.13 19:53:00 -
[49] - Quote
Bert for CSM! Speaking of CSM, where are our two dually appointed CSM duders for all this Rabble Rabble?! Co-host of Down the Pipe Podcast Read more of my ramblings on my blog Invading Your Hole
|

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
181
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:23:00 -
[50] - Quote
Longinius Spear wrote:Bert for CSM! Speaking of CSM, where are our two dually appointed CSM duders for all this Rabble Rabble?!
Watching...knowing .. hoping I BRING THE STORM!!!!!
and again .. no i m not running for CSM .. Xander will kill me ... My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
445
|
Posted - 2013.12.13 20:49:00 -
[51] - Quote
calaretu wrote:
But more than anything. All the hidden lore stuff that we obviously havent figured out fully yet. More of it. And make it lead to something new in wormholes. If we can make gates in future, why not wormholes to unknown destinations (random wh generator to random wh, maybe to a new type of wormhole. Yeah blasphemy. But )?
- Calaretu
^This. Reward the people who spend their time learning to adapt, and penalize the people who just log on to farm.
And random sleeper ideas suck, pve is already inconvenient enough as it is. Don't try and replace players with sleepers, find a way to bring in more players. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |

Alundil
The Unnamed. The NME Alliance
343
|
Posted - 2013.12.13 23:01:00 -
[52] - Quote
Max Kolonko wrote: Dual static C4''s More "random" wormholes spawning "fix" c5/c6 cap escalation farming to force people out of their holes fix wormholes sound/animation allaince bookmarks personal SMA's more settings for personal hangars and SMA (allow person you want to to have access to them) random spawns for sleepers sites
The above plus the following:
Remove the instantly updating sig list (AKA "EZ mode") Remove the automagical sig spawn visual (AKA "EZ mode" - first scan on jump into system is fine as a compromise - but should not show any new sigs unless pilot load new system or reloads existing system) Remove Ore sites from anomalies (almost no one mines without first closing all the doors because ::ccp Remove Ghost sites from anomalies (not that I have EVER seen one, true story) Remove 4AU from celestial restrictions Add more varied PvE encounter types (as the 4 + n signature types are not challenging/unique/attention holding) Add roaming gangs of sleeper ships Add more types of sleepers (aside from just dull BS/Cruiser/Frig) Add more methods of POS attack/removal than just grind all the things (tearing down abandoned POS, in C1 holes for instance, is made very freaking tedious due to the requirement of shooting towers with BC and below) Fix POS code (not a WH issue but still....please fix) Fix Corp permissions (not a WH issue but still...please fix)
Clone mechanics enchancements Deep Space Probe Revival |

TurboX3
V0LTA Triumvirate.
25
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:33:00 -
[53] - Quote
+1 HerrBert.. I am glad someone cares about wormhole space because I feel no love coming from CCP.
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Strom Crendraven
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
55
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Posted - 2013.12.14 03:07:00 -
[54] - Quote
Not bored, don't want to change WH space because you are. F*** off like the last thirty thousand with **** ideas of how to change WH's to how they want it. |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
181
|
Posted - 2013.12.14 12:13:00 -
[55] - Quote
Strom Crendraven wrote:Not bored, don't want to change WH space because you are. F*** off like the last thirty thousand with **** ideas of how to change WH's to how they want it.
you are a feisty one, now do it like the others and please go back to your mommies breast ... because "YOU DIDNT READ THE DISCLAIMER!!!!" My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
181
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Posted - 2013.12.14 12:16:00 -
[56] - Quote
HerrBert wrote:Strom Crendraven wrote:Not bored, don't want to change WH space because you are. F*** off like the last thirty thousand with **** ideas of how to change WH's to how they want it. you are a feisty one, now do it like the others and please go back to your mommies breast ... because "YOU DIDNT READ THE DISCLAIMER!!!!"
Just a simple example of "how fine everything is" .... you know how easy it was to bump your **** out of the POS :)... luckily people put a banable exploit clause on it on dec 6 ... sadly .. that bug was known to wormholes for aaaaaa long time ... so yeah everythin is fine.... My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
246
|
Posted - 2013.12.14 13:02:00 -
[57] - Quote
I like where this thread is going and, for once, I am not going to shiptoast all over it as it is good.
So I like some of the ideas laid out in OP, but I think before we get to that there are a few fundamental flaws in WH space that need a fixin first.
XL SMA... Thank you for giving something that only directors can safely use thanks to poor coding. This definitely needs to be fixed first. Its been almost a year, two WH related patches have been released and NOTHING on this. A simple fix would be to just not allow people outside pos shields to interact with things inside pos shields. (This includes titan bridging. I think its BS that a titan doesnt have to put himself at risk to be used.)
Not really WH, but more pos. How come we can access CHAs from anywhere inside the shields and transfer like in a station, but SMAs still require that 3k distance. Yet I can jump in a carrier and transfer ships between my ships SMA and the POS SMA from anywhere in the shields.
Remove Black Holes... Nuff Said.
Reduce the number of cans in mags and radars to 4. But keep the loot, mostly, the same. And give us the ability to fail it... and have the can explode. Before odyssey, it would take me 20 minutes to solo some c5 mags and hack the cans and get the loot. 20 minutes from start to finish. Now I have to wait 45 or longer for people to finish running mags or radars so I can roll the chain and look for my own pew or jew.
Leave capital escalations alone. The only reason anyone mentions them is because they dont have a capital and cant partake in the jew and want to take it away from the rest of us. Im sorry but capital escalations are not a broken mechanic. By the time you factor in everyone who runs them, you make more money gassing c320. So leave that one alone. Its not broken.
Take away the wiggle from when you warp to a wormhole... on both sides. That's just messed up giving people an early warning like that.
Make it to where every single wormhole can have random WH-WH connections. IE a c5 can have a random c6 connection. And make these spawn rates directly proportionate to how many online towers are in system. There is your nerf to capital escalations right there lol.
Thats all I can think of.
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HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
182
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Posted - 2013.12.14 13:18:00 -
[58] - Quote
The last one is brilliant :D
I see Noho all steaming down to one small online tower :D (just messing with ya) But yeah nullsec gets wormhole generators and we dont BOOOOOOOHHHHH My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Winthorp
Sky Fighters
256
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Posted - 2013.12.14 14:12:00 -
[59] - Quote
Naw QT i have almost missed your threads of crazy, but don't sweat it Bert is a whole new level of crazy to fill your shoes. |

Hera Chawla
Blue-Fire
40
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Posted - 2013.12.14 17:48:00 -
[60] - Quote
You could try not being in a ****** alliance that relies on one person to create it's content. We want our alliance name back. |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
182
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Posted - 2013.12.14 19:18:00 -
[61] - Quote
Hera Chawla wrote:You could try not being in a ****** alliance that relies on one person to create it's content. We want our alliance name back.
we are recruiting ... so :) My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
248
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Posted - 2013.12.14 22:13:00 -
[62] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:Naw QT i have almost missed your threads of crazy, but don't sweat it Bert is a whole new level of crazy to fill your shoes.
My threads will return soonGäó
Hera Chawla wrote:You could try not being in a ****** alliance that relies on one person to create it's content. We want our alliance name back.
LOL Blue fire is still alive? Wow. Thats cute. |

Angsty Teenager
Broski North Black Legion.
182
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Posted - 2013.12.15 00:13:00 -
[63] - Quote
primary problem with wspace is not anything you've list
primary problem is people forming corps more than 20 people
>mfw people so risk averse |

Hera Chawla
Blue-Fire
40
|
Posted - 2013.12.15 00:25:00 -
[64] - Quote
QT McWhiskers wrote:Winthorp wrote:Naw QT i have almost missed your threads of crazy, but don't sweat it Bert is a whole new level of crazy to fill your shoes. My threads will return soonGäó Hera Chawla wrote:You could try not being in a ****** alliance that relies on one person to create it's content. We want our alliance name back. LOL Blue fire is still alive? Wow. Thats cute.
Yeah we had a bit of a rut when we were in alliance with blojo. We wanted to PvP, they wanted to be risk averse carebears and only were active when Bcrain was on to hold their hand.
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
114
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Posted - 2013.12.15 06:07:00 -
[65] - Quote
QT McWhiskers wrote: LOL Blue fire is still alive? Wow. Thats cute.
Blue-Fire is as active if not more active then HK  Blue-Fire Best Fire |

Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
46
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Posted - 2013.12.15 07:08:00 -
[66] - Quote
Aquila Sagitta wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote: LOL Blue fire is still alive? Wow. Thats cute.
Blue-Fire is as active if not more active then HK 
I'll have you know evewho.com rates HK as "Quite Active" and you guys as "Active".
That means we have a whole "Quite" more activity than you do and because it's on the internet, you know it's true. |

Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
115
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Posted - 2013.12.15 07:59:00 -
[67] - Quote
Witchway wrote:Aquila Sagitta wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote: LOL Blue fire is still alive? Wow. Thats cute.
Blue-Fire is as active if not more active then HK  I'll have you know evewho.com rates HK as "Quite Active" and you guys as "Active". That means we have a whole "Quite" more activity than you do and because it's on the internet, you know it's true.
Ah thanks for pointing that out didn't know that metric existed. Was just goin off kills each month **** me right Blue-Fire Best Fire |

Orange Aideron
Blue-Fire
0
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Posted - 2013.12.15 08:52:00 -
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QT McWhiskers wrote: LOL Blue fire is still alive? Wow. Thats cute.
HK still alive? That's cute.
Bert good luck with the recruiting, you guys need it. Last time we ran into BLOJO was only like only 5 guys on peak TZ ... you really think HS peeps would be interested in joining your l33t mining corp?
I do feel the wh community is a lot different to Null, LS and HS groups. Making W-Space more attractive to those groups of people will lose its special fapping place it is to us. I know you will argue that you're saying "we need to direct changes ra ra ra .. " but by doing that you are just driving the uniqueness away from WH space.
The better question would be why do people come to wh space. It's a difficult place to live in. There's no local. It requires skills to even begin to live and operate in properly, not to mention having alt's and the works.
Enhance that. Busting it wide open isn't going to enhance it. Don't insure dreads in wh's. Keep it harsh. It's raw. It's w-space.
07 OJ |

Witchway
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
46
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Posted - 2013.12.15 09:59:00 -
[69] - Quote
Aquila Sagitta wrote:Witchway wrote:Aquila Sagitta wrote:QT McWhiskers wrote: LOL Blue fire is still alive? Wow. Thats cute.
Blue-Fire is as active if not more active then HK  I'll have you know evewho.com rates HK as "Quite Active" and you guys as "Active". That means we have a whole "Quite" more activity than you do and because it's on the internet, you know it's true. Ah thanks for pointing that out didn't know that metric existed. Was just goin off kills each month **** me right
well I mean, we can't all sit in Amarr and Niarja just whoring on kills all day. But hey, if you wanna go out to null and kill all the thrashers and skiffs your heart can take, then more power to you. |

Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
116
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Posted - 2013.12.15 10:49:00 -
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Funnest way to pay for a titan ever. No regrets Blue-Fire Best Fire |

Nikki Vix
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
2
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:22:00 -
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HerrBert wrote:Nikki Vix wrote:sooo much rabble rabble
as always . . . Jack speaks the truth, the fewer CCP hands in w space the better !! Because most of you guys are still in wormholes...
I'm in them daily bro . . . |

Bronya Boga
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
170
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:14:00 -
[72] - Quote
Tthis is looking more and more like a QT thread (<3 QT). 2 pages of on topic posting and the rest is some proper mud slinging lol *gets popcorn* Host of podcast Down The Pipe www.downthepipe-wh.com Podcast Public Channel is DTP Podcast @drverikan on twitter [email protected] |

QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
248
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:56:00 -
[73] - Quote
Oh dont worry, my next thread will be very soon. (Not tm) |

Pancake King
Unreal Realities
22
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Posted - 2013.12.17 07:56:00 -
[74] - Quote
Posting for second C4 W-Space static.
The rest I don't care about. |

Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
357
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Posted - 2013.12.17 12:27:00 -
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More on topic, I believe c4s with double static would be totally awesome.
Just imagine:
> C4 with H900 and P060, briding between c1 and c5, with maybe even a c4-k162. A smaller inustrial corp could move into that and run highend ladars, aswell as c4-groupcontent and c1-solocontent.
> C4 with N766 and C247, connecting to both the pretty vibrating c2-spaces aswell as those more carebearish/k-space oriented c3-groups. Would also mean that people living in that c4 would have a minimum of 2 k-space exits. Those routes are usually where the action is at.
> Or a c4 with double U574. C4 up to two c6s, the equivalent of the current c5 static c6 black hole system with one planet and two moons.
Also Fozzie hinted that the whole local-thingy is getting revamped, so I'd be really interested to see how that works out for w-space regarding pvp. Big changes are coming from over there I guess. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec" |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
187
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Posted - 2013.12.17 12:39:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:More on topic, I believe c4s with double static would be totally awesome.
Just imagine:
> C4 with H900 and P060, briding between c1 and c5, with maybe even a c4-k162. A smaller inustrial corp could move into that and run highend ladars, aswell as c4-groupcontent and c1-solocontent.
> C4 with N766 and C247, connecting to both the pretty vibrating c2-spaces aswell as those more carebearish/k-space oriented c3-groups. Would also mean that people living in that c4 would have a minimum of 2 k-space exits. Those routes are usually where the action is at.
> Or a c4 with double U574. C4 up to two c6s, the equivalent of the current c5 static c6 black hole system with one planet and two moons.
Also Fozzie hinted that the whole local-thingy is getting revamped, so I'd be really interested to see how that works out for w-space regarding pvp. Big changes are coming from over there I guess.
thanks for bring this back on track .. was a little worried there but yeah the dualstatic notion has been around for a long time and it would maybe not fix everything but be a very good ingrediant in the progression of small corps navigating deeper into wormholes without being sieged. My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
357
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:12:00 -
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Think the idea has initially brought up in chitsa jason's black hole thread. (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=267233&find=unread), maybe someone should necro that one and start posting over there to tell devs (again) how many people exactly think Black Holes are pvp-repelling, and how c4s are the canalization of w-space. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec" |

Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
357
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Posted - 2013.12.17 16:26:00 -
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Witchway wrote:well I mean, we can't all sit in Amarr and Niarja just whoring on kills all day. But hey, if you wanna go out to null and kill all the thrashers and skiffs your heart can take, then more power to you.
Someone is jealous XD. Also, big words for someone whose solokills fit in five lines. ;) "I honestly thought I was in lowsec" |

Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
377
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Posted - 2013.12.18 00:44:00 -
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I'd say screw C4's and look at the bigger picture... Suggested it before and I will do so yet again; new randomized static for ALL classes of holes. And by randomized static I mean a hole that is static only in the way that a new one respawns after it is closed, in all other ways it would be randomized between different w-space classes. No kspace random statics simply to keep it from becoming too easy to get fuel and other crap in. More interaction always results in more action, one way or another. And more action means more content.
And **** Bert, I go away from the game for awhile and you go and leave. Now who's going to shoot me randomly when I'm fleeted with them? |

QT McWhiskers
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
257
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Posted - 2013.12.18 01:14:00 -
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Id say get rid of the endless c4-c4 chains. And, as literally everyone else has said, give them two statics.
One that is from a lesser wormhole, and one from equal to greater. (c4-c6) Take half of the c4-c4 wormholes and turn them into c5 and c6 connections. Next keep c4s unique by not letting them have K-space connections. They can get that through their static. |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
191
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Posted - 2013.12.18 12:36:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:I'd say screw C4's and look at the bigger picture... Suggested it before and I will do so yet again; new randomized static for ALL classes of holes. And by randomized static I mean a hole that is static only in the way that a new one respawns after it is closed, in all other ways it would be randomized between different w-space classes. No kspace random statics simply to keep it from becoming too easy to get fuel and other crap in. More interaction always results in more action, one way or another. And more action means more content.
And **** Bert, I go away from the game for awhile and you go and leave. Now who's going to shoot me randomly when I'm fleeted with them?
I heard Lammhoofd is doing a fine job and like I told Bishop .. I'm not gone just left SSC. Because ADVENTURE!!!! My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
195
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Posted - 2013.12.18 13:11:00 -
[82] - Quote
Extra static for each C4 and extra static (with random destination class/space) for each black hole - thats right, black hole C2s and C4s would have three statics \o/ W-Space Realtor |

HerrBert
Big Johnson's PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
191
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:15:00 -
[83] - Quote
Axloth Okiah wrote:Extra static for each C4 and extra static (with random destination class/space) for each black hole - thats right, black hole C2s and C4s would have three statics \o/
You think that would have changing effect on the Real-Estate market for black holes? My mind does not reflect my corp ... it just shows you what they care about...
Super serious Wormhole Guy http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism |

bubble trout
Sky Fighters
114
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:41:00 -
[84] - Quote
I doubt it would, but people wouldn't groan as much when they see them in their chain.
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IMateyI
Hard Knocks Inc. Kill It With Fire
1
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Posted - 2013.12.18 16:11:00 -
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