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OverKill
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Posted - 2006.03.05 23:17:00 -
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Hadean Drive Yards announced yesterday that it has begun operating its commercial assembly lines to cater to the needs of large scale Alliance or Corporation clientel.
As of 1800hrs Eastern time, Hadean Drive Yards has the following models placed on the open market within the Pator VII system.
5 x Brutix
5 x Ferox
5 x Prophecy
5 x Cyclone
10 x Comorant
10 x Coercer
10 x Catalyst
10 x Thrasher
5 x Blackbird
5 x Thorax
5 x Omen
5 x Rupture
5 x Caracal
1 x Vexor
5 x Iteron Mk V
5 x Badger Mk II
5 x Bestower
5 x Mammoth
If you represent a large Corporation, or alliance, who wishes to have a steady supply of vessels at your disposal than please contact OverKill in game and discuss the options of having HDY put a bundle package together for you.
We are timely, efficient and cost effective.
Hadean Drive Yards, exceeding customer expectations.
OverKill - Often immitated, but never duplicated - Accept no substitute |
Esurnir
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Posted - 2006.03.05 23:22:00 -
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don't know really what is that doing here and not in want sell forum.
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OverKill
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Posted - 2006.03.05 23:24:00 -
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Its there too, but thank you for reminding me of that.
The reason that it is here is because it shows Corporations and Alliances that HDY is willing and able to provide large volume sales should they be required/requested.
OverKill - Often immitated, but never duplicated - Accept no substitute |
Nickel Deuce
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Posted - 2006.03.06 03:12:00 -
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Welcome to 2006?
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Encoded with ROT26 ù circumvention will be prosecuted! |
IamBen
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Posted - 2006.03.06 03:14:00 -
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is there discounts for buying in bulk?
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2006.03.06 03:28:00 -
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Do you deliver to Obe?
 Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither
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SengH
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Posted - 2006.03.06 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 06/03/2006 03:59:23
maybe they should ask goonfleet if they need t1 frig packages built for them in bulk?
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neccette
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Posted - 2006.03.06 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 06/03/2006 03:59:23
maybe they should ask goonfleet if they need t1 frig packages built for them in bulk?
Maybe if they delivered to Syndicate ;)
But really, we have so many producers that if needed we could pump out 1000+ frigates and modules per day.
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Aliksr
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Posted - 2006.03.06 05:13:00 -
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I don't understand the point of this.
The hard part about supplying a lot of T1 ships is minerals, transport and BPOs. What service are you providing by building them and selling them in batches?
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Cacia Source
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Posted - 2006.03.06 07:54:00 -
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Though The Source INC wishes we could have broken the news, we'll still give ya a friendly bump. Thanks again for the interview. Always a good time.
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Cacia Source
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Sae Marr
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Posted - 2006.03.06 08:14:00 -
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Is this a joke?
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The Anointed
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Posted - 2006.03.06 10:57:00 -
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For all the people that think this has been posted in the wrong forum, the post is not a sale order!
If you know the history of Hadean Drive Yards then you'd simply be saying, welcome back, and its nice to see your production has started again.
Maybe you gus should try an IPO or whatever they are called, seems to be the fasion these days, might give you the ability to increase your BPO Holdings.
Kr0m's Recruiting |
Kate Beckinsale
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Posted - 2006.03.06 15:14:00 -
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Wow nice to see u guys still around! :)
free bump
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.06 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sae Marr
Is this a joke?
Hush. for you know nothing.
this is a post to welcome back an old stallwart of eve production.
there on of the oldest corps and one of the oldest producers, and have had serious problems in the past few months.
Welcome back 
ISD leave my sig alone for the last fking time. you screwed up my sig so face the consequences. |
Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.06 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
Originally by: Sae Marr
Is this a joke?
Hush. for you know nothing.
this is a post to welcome back an old stallwart of eve production.
there on of the oldest corps and one of the oldest producers, and have had serious problems in the past few months.
Welcome back
in all fairness you prob know even less then sea marr.
Its a little ironic that the current members today had no input to any production/production planning/or a real influence to any of the logistic work that carried hdy (in there prime when production 4 battleships a week" was its most that was possible. So its strange for you to wish to welcome them "back"
off the top of your head what big acheivements has hdy done that no other corp has done? apart from toss afew crusiers to the JF guys in the early months of eve?
This isn't an "we are back" announcement. its a WTS announcement on a small scale. What "big" corps or alliances will need to be flocking to buy tech1 frigs and cruisers in the present day? |
Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.06 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Saal Iverson
in all fairness you prob know even less then sea marr.
present day?
to be fair i doubt it.
anyway its about rebuilding upon a legacy, nothing more.
all to often PVP corps come back from the dead in name only and they are celebrated.
why not for the manufacturing corps?
ISD leave my sig alone for the last fking time. you screwed up my sig so face the consequences. |
Kastar
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Posted - 2006.03.06 20:13:00 -
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To be honest this is a bit disappointing from such a big name.
We're an average sized but active corp and we sell these amounts on weekly basis, twice.
Welcome back after the problems you had though.
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Stratosfear
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Posted - 2006.03.06 21:01:00 -
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T2 and capital ship production are the real tests of industrial prowess.
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.03.06 21:45:00 -
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no offense but in terms of volume, i build that a few times over a week alone in cruisers, bships & some gear
if it`s like what others said, then welcome back 
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bentai
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Posted - 2006.03.06 21:53:00 -
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fyi HDY have been though alot after the split and corp thief and whatnot I am glad they are slowly building up again
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OverKill
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Posted - 2006.03.06 21:55:00 -
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For those who welcome us back, HDY thanks you for your thoughts and emails in game.
For those who have already placed orders, again my thanks. We will do our best to exceed your expectations.
For those who are disappointed by our numbers. Considering that up until January 1st we existed essentially only in name. Also we are not even a medium sized Corporation anymore I'm proud of what we have accomplished. Remember, we had to purchase the BPOs that went along with all these (and more besides what we have produced).
In two months that is quite the accomplishment and says much about the people who now toil under the Hadean banner. Furthermore it was done without access to 0.0 space as we are not sheltered by any umbrella of an Alliance or organization other than our own.
To Saal, if HDY is that insignificant of a blip on your radar than why the constant need to comment on our activites, who we are, what we are about and where we are going? You are seriously begining to wear thin and I'm sure its not only me that feels this way.
In terms of where the current members were when HDY was in its prime, I could say the same about you my friend, including your insubordination, constant bickering and personality conflicts with just about everyone you meet. Please make sure to get your whole head in front of the shotgun when it comes time.
Regards,
Michael "OverKill" Carter
Chief Executive Officer
Hadean Drive Yards
OverKill - Often immitated, but never duplicated - Accept no substitute |
OverKill
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Posted - 2006.03.06 22:05:00 -
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I think the comment was totally appropriate Jorak, it is a reaction to the constant and incessant hounding that Saal seems to have towards HDY and its members.
Every post, legit or not, seems to draw him like a fat kid on a smartie and it gets very tiresome.
OverKill - Often immitated, but never duplicated - Accept no substitute |
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Laurelin1420
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Posted - 2006.03.06 22:35:00 -
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Please stay on topic and keep it friendly
Thanks :)
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.03.07 00:28:00 -
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Heh I flew a HDY brand thorax that was given to the NVA back in the venal civil war. Talk about history ... glad to see them back tbh.
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Sundri Elaption
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Posted - 2006.03.07 01:29:00 -
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Nice to see that HDY is coming back from there troubles i hope that you guys can get back to the reputation and capacity of shipbuilder you once were. Best of luck and fun.
(Still remember you guys of my beta days :) )
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OverKill
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Posted - 2006.03.07 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Laurelin1420
Please stay on topic and keep it friendly
Thanks :)
*grins and blows out air*
Yes mother, I promise to behave... Can I have oreos and icecream though? ;)
Regards,
OK
OverKill - Often immitated, but never duplicated - Accept no substitute |
Death Merchant
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Posted - 2006.03.07 05:25:00 -
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Wow.. 2months.. that is impressive. Good luck.. Cant wait to see what you accomplish in a few more months.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
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Posted - 2006.03.07 08:04:00 -
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Yay, grats on recovering HDY Welcome back to the fray
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Laurelin1420
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Posted - 2006.03.07 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: Laurelin1420 on 07/03/2006 09:05:35
Quote:
*grins and blows out air*
Yes mother, I promise to behave... Can I have oreos and icecream though? ;)
Regards,
OK
Yes you can , if you are good ;)
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Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.07 09:23:00 -
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Its somethign you just have to realise and keep in perspective, like i said. name something which is significant in what hdy has acheived, that no other corp has. the liabury of BPO's has always been nothing special cept for back in the day YoYo/Khemikal/Badger busting there arse with the hac bpo's. but even then there were a ton of othe corps who had this and alot more.
HDY yes a production corp. But it has never came close to really competiting on a level of any of the real production corps out there. HDY has survived on an image alone since the days back in beta.
And sooner you just hold your hands up and admit you wasn't robbed so everyone can then really move on.Throughout any history of HDY. When has any shareholder ever had "meetings" or made any decisions in how HDY operated. Its always been the CEO. Things only started moving forwards with badger and khem pulling the work out. Even you are surely capable of admitting that. Its a shame you really feel the need to belittle those who bigged up the hdy "brand" for so long. And you possibly still wonder why they left?
At least your able to pull the wool over so many with the creative writing in that HDY was robbed... by its own CEO and exec staff.... hows that possible
I'm wearing thin? its a little absurbed comign from you... does this mean your close to making another one of those legendary "real life" threats you have made to sooo many people i.e smooth or anyone within old HDY. you was never shy to brag about wanting to do that. i lost count how many times you felt the need to do anythign liek that due to you being an "investigator". Its a little weak to do in such a game.
A little like threating law suits(or cival actions) to what caused the break away from HDY no? Its no wonder you not getting any respect from me. go figure.
Can we have more postings reguarding other industrial corps placing ships on sale on the market. How spammed will these boards be then?
How long till the current crop of HDY members grow a brain and do exactly the same thing?
If anyone really wants to do the math. Work out how many BPO's hdy has. add the number of members HDY has. then factor in how long its taken to make that money (without the hand outs). Include that HDY takes everything a player earns and goes into the corp account (cept some chump change)......... Then tell me its that big of a deal. Hands up those who are capable of generating isk close to that in 2 months if you really tried. (dont forget not many HDY employee's arnt exactly new players so they should be expirenced enough to make afew pennies right?
be nice with your language overkill... i aint seen any of my posts ever needing to be edited... |
My slave
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Posted - 2006.03.07 11:14:00 -
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How much those about 100 mallers cost ?
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OverKill
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Posted - 2006.03.07 12:54:00 -
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Actually Saal, the language was dead neutral and about as polite as I can be when it comes to you however it was the message that was deemed inappropriate (shrugs) who am I to say what passes for censor material or not.
Name one thing that HDY has done that other Corporations have or have not done that is significant? How about survive. Where others have gone the way of the dinosaur HDY has been there. Whether it was under my leadership, Isuridae's leadership or even Badger's leadership HDY has always been there in some form or another, over the course of three years.
As for my former career, current career or any real life information I would appreciate if you would desist from further comment as you merely prove my point about your malicious style behavoir.
OverKill - Often immitated, but never duplicated - Accept no substitute |
Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.07 13:32:00 -
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ironic for you to accuse me of a malicious behavior especially when factoring how you have acted in this game.
empty threats of copyright for an eve corp
phyical threats to people who play eve
creating lies and false stories reguarding made up "thefts" that happened in HDY.
accusing people of pretending to be you due to similarities of name (the 0verkill/Overkill thing was pretty damn embaressing) you remember some of the threats you made to the guy in corp chat/forums/teamspeak?)
i dont remember saying that hdy is dead. simply stating your flogging a dead horse. Look around eve there are loadsof corps and alliances who are a shadow of there former self. Even back in the day hDY was never as big as it should have been.
Trying to greif those who want no part of you just to big yourself up and look all innocent. Not even looking to hold your hands up to anything really is disgusting.
just admit HDY was not robbed, apoligise for misleading people. And allow those trying to paly the game (without any empty real life threats). Is this so hard?
I dont think there has been any issue about you wanting to carry on HDY. but apply some reality to the situation. Your building tech1 cruisers. you got a long way to go yet.
trying to point how that I'm really not liking how you have acted for a long time. Now others have finally seen this also. I understand may hurt you a little. Belittling me isn't gonna help you. Just rembmer I'm still on good terms with the majority of people i have spent considerable time with in corps. Cept you..... is this down to my actions no. please point out anything incorrect. I dont think there is much.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2006.03.07 13:38:00 -
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Good luck HDY!
Good to see you back & operating again.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 07/03/2006 14:03:51
Originally by: Saal Iverson
ironic for you to accuse me of a malicious behavior especially when factoring how you have acted in this game.
empty threats of copyright for an eve corp
phyical threats to people who play eve
creating lies and false stories reguarding made up "thefts" that happened in HDY.
accusing people of pretending to be you due to similarities of name (the 0verkill/Overkill thing was pretty damn embaressing) you remember some of the threats you made to the guy in corp chat/forums/teamspeak?)
i dont remember saying that hdy is dead. simply stating your flogging a dead horse. Look around eve there are loadsof corps and alliances who are a shadow of there former self. Even back in the day hDY was never as big as it should have been.
Trying to greif those who want no part of you just to big yourself up and look all innocent. Not even looking to hold your hands up to anything really is disgusting.
just admit HDY was not robbed, apoligise for misleading people. And allow those trying to paly the game (without any empty real life threats). Is this so hard?
I dont think there has been any issue about you wanting to carry on HDY. but apply some reality to the situation. Your building tech1 cruisers. you got a long way to go yet.
trying to point how that I'm really not liking how you have acted for a long time. Now others have finally seen this also. I understand may hurt you a little. Belittling me isn't gonna help you. Just rembmer I'm still on good terms with the majority of people i have spent considerable time with in corps. Cept you..... is this down to my actions no. please point out anything incorrect. I dont think there is much.
that the legacy you wish to continue?
You know, you are coming across like the guy with an axe to grind now mate. I remember all the stuff about this HDY breakup originally and the jury is still out on whether you corp-thefted the original HDY so if you want a clean break for whatever that offshoot production corp is you should probably stay well away from OK's threads and maybe *shock horror* put together your own public relations announcements and ship sale deals?
Maybe you are "big fish" now compared to HDY's "little fish" status but I'll tell you what, compared to Jericho Fraction's catalogue of tech2 vessels of all mks you PPL fellahs hardly register on the radar at all but you don't see us spamming up your press releases and telling you how completely irrelevent you are so there!
Grow up tbh, live and let live. Move on. You can't preach at OK for living in the past if you are constantly digging at the guy in all his threads
If you really don't like the HDY reborn thing then wardec them, outproduce them, do better press releases, do something in fact - anything other than stalk his posts like an estranged lover continually cutting up his suits and embarrassing yourself in resturants
Please take this advice seriously.
Have a nice day!
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Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:15:00 -
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coming from you, who persist on your role play ideas, its strange you wish to post something against me. An assumption of an axe to grind is a moot point. I've played my issue towards the track record of the current state of affair. Yet you feel compelled to overlook any of this.
"If you really don't like the HDY reborn thing then wardec them, outproduce them, do better press releases, do something in fact - anything other than stalk his posts like an estranged lover continually cutting up his suits and embarrassing yourself in resturants"
your not one to want to totally avoid any issue open for debate. Anyone with an opinion on this forum is free to put it available. and heres mine. you want to totally ignore what points I'm putting up for discussions, because of my motives? which i stated.... you wish to shed light on where i went wrong with them. Please do so.
creating irrelvent anologies isn't gonna further your point. and its not gonna change mine. just correct what points of argument i put forword? unless you are really smiten over those few cruisers we(hdy back in the day) created for you afew years ago? you may wanna check who built them when you feel the need to defend your fallen angel in overkill
do what you normally do Jasmine. Pick my post apart point via point. disregarding anything said isn't your style.
Its nothign to do with big fish little fish. its not about PPL being bigger then HDY. (I'm not in PPL fyi) its about creating lies to make ones self look good. am sue you have spoken to some of the ppl guys. whats your beef with them?what exactly did they do wrong to have so much bull**** placed around them? they didnt steal or rob anything. they didnt make any empty facless threats. I've made no threats at all.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:32:00 -
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Ask yourself another question? Do I have anything against you or PPL? Do I think you (or they) should be hounded forever and spammed against any time they make a public thread? Well nope, whatever really, you and OK had a falling out that ended acrimoniously (sp?) and now you're all in different corps and doing you're own thing, what not leave it at that?
If you think OK is such a bad guy as he shouldn't be allowed to play eve then you have the right to go petition-crazy and complain to GM's etc. If you don't think thats the case (or don't want to go down that route) then why not play these things out in-game for in-game reasons?
Every time you go on about dirtying the man's name with allegations of real life misdemeanours you lose me. Its virtually impossible to believe what other people say about "real life" on the internet at the best of times and people roleplaying space businessmen alleging dirty tricks and powerplays ... lol tbh, its impossible for me to judge properly.
What I can judge is that you are posting *a lot* of stuff to try to blacken the guys reputation in reaction to a fairly straightforward and even kinda humble back to basics corporate PR post. That does suggest to me that you have an agenda to do this, that you haven't been able to move on, and that you're the guy with the axe to grind.
Maybe I'm wrong, who knows? But like I said, you aren't going to get me to agree to out of game personal hate crusades over lets pretend rock mining and ship building.
If people made mistakes years ago whatever. I don't really hold grudges myself life is too short. Why shouldn't someone (anyone) get second chances in online games? Its not like anyone really dies or gets robbbed is it?
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Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.07 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Ask yourself another question? Do I have anything against you or PPL? Do I think you (or they) should be hounded forever and spammed against any time they make a public thread? Well nope, whatever really, you and OK had a falling out that ended acrimoniously (sp?) and now you're all in different corps and doing you're own thing, what not leave it at that?
i can answer that. lets first start with do you think its right for PPl to be looked upon being tagged as corp theives? If yes I'd like to hear on what grounds. Do i think its right for OK to spin things around to be made looked like the one that got hurt through all this?
It is strange for you with your role play corp to adhare to this as a wrong doing. I aint gonna count how often you hound other corps announcements. Whether you do or not i dont have an issue with,. you just bringing in some debate. like i do here. but you wish to avoid the points put forward to filter out the whole point of my replies.
if OK/HDY didnt wish to have any debate about there actions whether it be about there turning a WTF post into somethign else? then I'm sure they would not post any. There are many corps/alliances that do stuff without the need of public statements. Its each to there own. but any willing to make any statements msut be capable of rebulking any negative remarks they get via doing so? its part of the territory.
I aint looking to dirty his name. jus stating facts as i have seen them and given an oppotunity to prove them wrong.
I've posted alot of stuff yes... there msut be something to it all if there is ALOT of stuff. with none of it made up or even being accused of being lies.
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If people made mistakes years ago whatever. I don't really hold grudges myself life is too short. Why shouldn't someone (anyone) get second chances in online games? Its not like anyone really dies or gets robbbed is it?
then now is the time to come clean and move on. i aint gonna greifing anyone ingame. OK has the oppotunity to apoligise for any wrong doing to anyone and everyone he has threatened, aggrivated and wrongly accused. Its up to him if he wants to do that.
I dunno what you mean about getting you agree to out of game personal hate. But I'd be interested to know whetheryou think its right for someone to make petty threats out of game over stuff that happens in game? the rest after you answered that pretty much falls into its own place.
2nd chances in game are of course not a problem with me. i trust you can give 2nd chances to all thoseyou have put down or accused of wrong doings through your time in playing eve? i certainly have. its not like I've made any threats to anyone in hdy no? or anyone ingame. I'm jsut putting some thigns up for discussion and you dont wish to take part jasmine. so i ask why even make an effort in this thread. shall we down back to my points or are you going to keep going on about how i should not make a hate campaign over afew posts I've made?
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Kujin
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Posted - 2006.03.07 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kujin on 07/03/2006 15:24:03
HDY... been a short part of my personal passive history in game, but a meaningful one...
anyway.........posted to add that this is one of best discussions i have ever seen in nearly 3 years on this board.......
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.03.07 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 07/03/2006 15:29:48
Heres the thing ... its entirely possible PPL and HDY will never agree on what happened. I did read all the threads at the time. By one definition of the term yes PPL were corp thieves, they stole the corp assets because they couldn't get a majority vote past to change the ceo. By another definition they were "heroic liberators" of the assets of a fallen corp, taking decisive action to free the legacy from the hands of an egotistical madman. Whatever really. Since Eve doesn't have any formal courts (except the court of public opinion) we're never going to have a comprehensive judgement on what happened. OK has his point of view, PPL have another. (I probably have a 3rd and so on and so on).
If you are devoted to getting an apology out of the guy thats probably every bit as unlikely as him getting an apology out of the PPL people that took the actions their consciences dictated. But just because there is no formal settlement doesn't mean you are obligated to keep on this line forever. Agreeing to disagree is sometimes the healthy option - and if not, like I said, there is in-game warfare, market competition - whatever, if you don't like the fact OK hasn't apologies why not put up a duplicate set of ships for sale at 10% less than HDY and publicise it on a PR post?
I completely disagree with your argument that some things don't need publicising by the way. I think this forum needs more corporations publicising the things they do not less. The atmosphere of Eve is benefited when we see corporations using the forums to promote themselves and their services without a shadow of a doubt.
And re your point about me debating with other corps - well man, thats the IC / OOC thing coming in. I'm guessing you've never seen me attack the out of character personality of anyone on these forums or bash an OOC press release right? If I debate things its the in-character politics according to the in character political ideology of Jasmine and Jericho Fraction.
I guess, strictly speaking - I'd not have had a problem with your posting if you used an IC voice and criticised HDY and OK as characters in the game. The fact you took it further than that just lost my suspension of disbelief and jarred with my perceptions of the game reality.
I still think if you have an issue with the guy go and fight in some way. Running an ooc character assassination thing regardless of the rights and wrongs and who started it and why is never going to cover you with glory.
If you think OK is a stuck up egotist for not apologising then blow his ships up, debate IC, or be the bigger man and walk away. But this is just advice, I'm just bored at work ... its not personal in any way.
So really man, have a nice day!
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Cell Satimo
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Posted - 2006.03.07 15:34:00 -
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Welcome back HDY.
Good to some old school back in business again.
Can you please contact me for monthly contract w/delivery:
20 x Brutix
20 x Cyclone
20 x Ferox
30 x Omen
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Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.07 16:09:00 -
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If i wanted to place it in an IC voice. surely i would have gone to the role play forum and made some fancy dancy post? Whether this is an IC or out of game debate. they both hold substance to Ok's actions that brought up the current situation. so you trying to avoid whether OK's ingame or out of game character are affected is hugly misplaced.
You talk about who actually had the CEO-ship at the time, you will find that badger was the ceo. and thats overkill's account was simply there as a slave/placeholder. to just sit there (badger had access to overkill's account also). I beleive you faild to look into the real mechanics of how HDY operated. by the CEO not the share holders. thats is something I'm sure Overkill and whoever was involved in HDY can agree on.
But lets look at it this way. I've put thigs forward reguarding overkills actions in the past. and even given him a platform to address them. (whether you agree or not these thigns do have an effect of ingame influences and movements in how the game works).
If overkill is fulyl capable of addressing these issues here to clear up any of these grey areas you speak of. perhaps a bigger picture will be put forward to what actually happened. Surely you must be able to agree on this?
My point is its unreasonable to not display factors of out of game issues in situations which may have had repucussions on things outside of the game. Because as you can tell. someone here certain wishes to take this game way mroe serious then offers. you may questin that about myself. but I'm only issues opinion and debate on an open forum nothing else right?
I did not mean that there should not be PR releases but they should at least hold a point where over a 100+ corps can overload the forums with posts saying they just put ships onto the market and xxx location. Pesonally I hope no corp/alliance I'm in feels the need to post anythign in a PR release. its our business and ours alone. if you need to know. ask in game, or if you need to know we'll tell you in game.
But like i was saying, my IC voice will sound the same as my OOOC voice. theres nothing to seperate them. plus you have obviously seen the relivence of OOG discussions in this topic do hold weight to the chain of events which now have the current sitution.
if you fulyl seak an IC debate i suggest you look elsewhere, beause this one crosses both paths of the discussion. And I'm pretty sure its not the first to do so.
unfortunatly a fight isn't going to solve this (as much as i wish it would)
Overkill. look back at my previous posts. and reply to any point i put forward. You have an oppotunity to clear this up right here and now. take it.
Jas, i understand what your saying, most times i agree that IC stuff generally stays there. but you should see that it wasn't I who started any issue in reguards to events out OOC or out of game.
I aint looking for some glory, you think thats what I'm seeking, you will prob have notice how little PPL post on these forums in reguards to anything, there might be a pattern to events to there. That doesn't mean they deserve to be bombarded with twisted stories to endever(sp) a better outlook for Overkill and his rebuilding process. Especially if he has to do this to creat lies and underhanded methods, knowing that PPL's style isn't to conduct there business on these forums.
(you aint the only one bored at work you prob wont see a reply till 9am tomorrow if you wish to continue this... I dont read forums when i have an oppotunity to be ingame :P) I'm aware its not personal. but its intersting to see you of all people defendings out of game actions that affect ingame motives. or should i say disregard them?
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2006.03.07 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Saal Iverson
I'm aware its not personal. but its intersting to see you of all people defendings out of game actions that affect ingame motives. or should i say disregard them?
Thats the point though. I can't either defend or attack out of game motivations because I don't really know whether they are true or not. I'm quite brutal when it comes to this internet thing. People I know in real life and go drinking with ... sure, I know those guys, but people on the other side of the planet I only know from their toons? Hardly really, people might be telling the truth about things, they might not. I find it much much easier to just assume everything is roleplay and everyone is wearing a mask to represent their character interests. Its all a game. If anyone ever was getting hurt irl by eve they should stop playing and its their responsibility to do that, nobody elses. So that said, since its just a game and all make believe why bother with taking account of the out of character foundation to in character motivation at all? That just brings me down and muddies the waters of what is on the face of it a very enjoyable game environment and huge ass space opera with the best art and dramatic cinematography in current computer game vision.
Like I said before, I did read around the issue of the HDY/PPL transition and I talked to PPL people sure. I can see your point of view but don't neccessarily agree with it. I do have a soft spot for OK and HDY original though, like I said the first thorax cruiser I ever had in the game came from HDY way back at the beginning of an ancient war when I was a noob - that history counts for something. I loved that cruiser (right until I got it blown up like a tard trying to gank a TTI indy in front of the gate guns  )
But seriously, if you see the difference between IC and OOC stuff just be the better guy and rise above it. Let HDY do its stuff and PPL do theirs and live and let live man. All this ooc stress isn't helping anyone and if you don't want a war or any form of IC conflict best thing to do is walk away and shrug your shoulders and live a good life.
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Posted - 2006.03.07 16:40:00 -
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thats up to you to not beleive, but if i say it is so, then overkill then says its so (his gone pretty quite now... hmmm). You then have a better basis to form a decision if you must or want.
I dont understand why you feel compelled to give me advise, and if you really did want to give me advise you would have done so in a better or more private manner. Beside of the fact that i never asked for your advise.
From your own words its clear you are unable to make any decision on these matters as you cant seem to calculate any real presepective into this ordeal. I aint gonna give you a hstory of my IC history. unles you are really interested (which i really hope you arnt) to say you have a softspot for the original HDY is rather conflicting since your are debating with one here, and accusing the rest of being theives....
I'm very aware you arnt able to form opinions abut irl events unless you were apart of them in any small way. or unless overkil actually wants to clear that up and say its so...
I'm only getting in the way of HDY doings its stuff in the same way HDY arnt letting PPL do its stuff. Its advise Overkill could have taken awhile ago. in reguards to letting peope get on with there own thing.... without making petty basisless accusations.
I fail to see how i would be the better guy just sitting back and watch OK make up lies about people who busted there arse to make HDY as known as it is now....
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Saal Iverson
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Posted - 2006.03.07 16:44:00 -
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Woudl still be interesting for OK to place his interpretation on his view with everything i posted before Jasmine jumped in to divert the dicussion elsewhere though. Would you be so kind overkill or you just happen to avoid it and leave everything in the dark. (i understand that suits you) |
Yakti
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Posted - 2006.03.07 16:45:00 -
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Saal, can you go spam somewhere else please?
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.07 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Saal Iverson
ironic for you to accuse me of a malicious behavior especially when factoring how you have acted in this game.
empty threats of copyright for an eve corp
phyical threats to people who play eve
creating lies and false stories reguarding made up "thefts" that happened in HDY.
accusing people of pretending to be you due to similarities of name (the 0verkill/Overkill thing was pretty damn embaressing) you remember some of the threats you made to the guy in corp chat/forums/teamspeak?)
i dont remember saying that hdy is dead. simply stating your flogging a dead horse. Look around eve there are loadsof corps and alliances who are a shadow of there former self. Even back in the day hDY was never as big as it should have been.
Trying to greif those who want no part of you just to big yourself up and look all innocent. Not even looking to hold your hands up to anything really is disgusting.
just admit HDY was not robbed, apoligise for misleading people. And allow those trying to paly the game (without any empty real life threats). Is this so hard?
I dont think there has been any issue about you wanting to carry on HDY. but apply some reality to the situation. Your building tech1 cruisers. you got a long way to go yet.
trying to point how that I'm really not liking how you have acted for a long time. Now others have finally seen this also. I understand may hurt you a little. Belittling me isn't gonna help you. Just rembmer I'm still on good terms with the majority of people i have spent considerable time with in corps. Cept you..... is this down to my actions no. please point out anything incorrect. I dont think there is much.
that the legacy you wish to continue?
dudde. leave the thread.
everyone here manages to say.
'Good Luck, Well Done etc etc'
you have only managed to try and bring up old news and flame them for it.
to be fair yourr just making yourself look like a grudge bearing idiot.
Let them have there glory in whatever form.
who are you to try and rain on there parade?
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Mercenary Emperor
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Posted - 2006.03.07 17:03:00 -
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Someone please gag Saal, it's for your own good, you've already made yourself look like a comlpete fool |
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Posted - 2006.03.07 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Bandus on 07/03/2006 17:48:38
I am going to start by saying that as a rule, I am not supposed to be replying in this thread. I read it a few times though and I felt that I could no longer stay totally silent. Instead of posting my own personal feelings and experiences, I am simply going to comment on what others have said. My replies aren't directed at the person who made the comment(s), but aimed more at trying to clear things up and provide another perspective.
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Posted by: Jasmine Constantine
What I can judge is that you are posting *a lot* of stuff to try to blacken the guys reputation in reaction to a fairly straightforward and even kinda humble back to basics corporate PR post.
Honestly, many things have been posted in an attempt to blacken PPLs reputation. We have kept totally silent about HDY. During its reopening, we took notice, but said nothing. When a couple of IC and OOC interviews were held in which HDY trashed talked PPL, we said nothing. Most often we said nothing because we are simply trying to play the game. We don't want to have to worry about OOC crap coming in game.
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Posted by: Jasmine Constantine
Agreeing to disagree is sometimes the healthy option
As a continuation of my statement above, we have tried in earnest to do this. We have tried to move on in EVE. We made our headquarters in a certain area of space, different from where HDY had its headquarters. We tried to give them wide berth. Then shortly after HDYs "re-opening" we find they have moved their headquarters just 3 jumps from ours...
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Posted by: Saal Iverson
you will prob have notice how little PPL post on these forums
Once again, that is most often because we are too busy playing the game to waste time posting on the forums. If not that then it's because, as suggested, we are trying to move on and get back to playing the game.
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Posted by: Jasmine Constantine
Let HDY do its stuff and PPL do theirs and live and let live man.
In earnest, I wish it could be that way. I truly do.
In an effort to keep this on topic, I am glad to see that HDY is able to mass produce ships again. I hope that this time around mistakes are learned from. I hope that no member of HDY ever feels like they have to do, what we felt we had to do again.
Rear Admiral Bandus
Diplomatic Relations Officer
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Grizwold
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Posted - 2006.03.07 18:37:00 -
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I thought these forums were moderated....guess I was wrong...
Good luck HDY.
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OverKill
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Posted - 2006.03.07 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: OverKill on 07/03/2006 20:54:45
Saal, I see no reason to appologize to you, in character or out. Nor do I feel a compelling need to explain myself, my actions or my attitudes to you. Whether you call that "running away" or "cowardly" or whatever else you might term it thats up to you. Whatever helps you sleep (quietly) at night is ok with me.
This post wasn't about PPL bashing, it wasn't about Saal bashing or anyone else bashing until you made it that way. Jade is completely right here, you simply cannot let the past go and move onwards with your life and your game time. Take my pictures down off the dart board or above the fireplace or wherever you have reminders of me and put them away already.
Hell, HDY hasn't even issued a statement with the words PPL in it for a long long time. We've told our side of the story, we've moved on and we're back to playing the game.
This post was an announcement to state that HDY, in whatever capacity, is ready to do what it has always done, produce ships for clients. Whether they be T1 ships, or T2 ships or T3 ships or even T1000 ships. Every ship counts in EVE regardless of Tech level and we sell what we are able to. Our clients do not seem to complain about our lack of size or economic power.
I also find it uniquely funny that you attempt to distort facts and slew them in such a way to make it appear that HDY having only a moderate library of T1 BPOs is somehow other than desirable. However I take solace in the fact that Jade's return comment is totally accurate. There ARE Corporations out there who could dwarf most, if not all, other Corporations in the game. Is HDY that entity? No! Have ever issued such a claim? No!
Even Bandus, whom you know I have no love for whatsoever, has chimed in to state that PPL is doing their thing and HDY is doing its thing. They have their opinions, I have mine and neither wants to constantly re-live this crap over and over and over again. Aside from a few sightings in game we haven't even had any involvement with PPL, their operations or their personnel.
They are where they want to be, doing what they want to do, as are we. That is that.
You say that HDY is insigificant... Good deal, then that means you should no longer feel a particular need to comment on what we do, how we do it and where we do it.
You say that I'm an egocentric meglomaniac dictator (insert expletive here)... Good, deal with it and move on, get a girlfriend, buy a new ship, whatever you do that gets you to unwind a little bit. Seriously Saal, I am thinking of cloning you just for the potential of turning coal into diamonds if you know what I mean.
Now, back on track to the topic at hand...
For those who are placing orders... We're taking them down and will be contact with quotes and particulars. We are currently working on a moderate sized client order for one of you already but after that we'll be open again to take other orders.
Why do we only take one at a time? (Before someone jumps all over this one) because we are not a LARGE Corporation. We are not even a MEDIUM sized Corporation. Manpower fuels production based Corporations from a mineral standpoint so we take one order at a time and complete it.
It also allows us to focus on exceeding customer expectations and deadlines as best we can.
Regards,
Michael "OverKill" Carter
Chief Executive Officer
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.03.07 21:09:00 -
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Do you think this saal thingymabob has a life.
Nehoos good luck HDY.
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