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myFORUMalt alts
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.06 12:18:00 -
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Does any one out there effectively use a thanny with a sentry fit to effectively grind a noms out in null. If so, what's your fit like, what's your technique. When I first got into the Ishtar and discovered sentries I loved em, however am still yet to use them on my thanny as a main focus for ratting. Or is this the dumbest thing to mention. Does anyone use a sentry nix out there. Yes, I complain about things I don't like. |

Haoibuni
Drama Llamas
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Posted - 2011.11.06 14:22:00 -
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It does 900 DPS with 15 sentries and to use 15 you would have to fit 5 Drone Control Units requiring you to train a rank 8 skill to 5 (Adv Drone Interfacing).
Hardly anyone has this trained to 5 as having 5 Drone Control Units fitted means you have no highs left over for smart bombs and nuets which can make the difference in being able to get away if you are caught.
A lot of regular battleships can attain 900DPS.
It has to sit still or you risk losing sentries so you are susectiple to getting caught as you accelerate to warp off speed when a neut enters your system.
Arn't carriers changing to only be able to use fighters in the Winter expansion or is it only super carriers getting changed.
PS I have never flown a carrier but I believe all the above would be widely agreed upon by carrier pilots. |

Dusty Jeans
Hand Of Midas F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2011.11.06 15:22:00 -
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Haoibuni wrote:It does 900 DPS with 15 sentries and to use 15 you would have to fit 5 Drone Control Units requiring you to train a rank 8 skill to 5 (Adv Drone Interfacing).
Hardly anyone has this trained to 5 as having 5 Drone Control Units fitted means you have no highs left over for smart bombs and nuets which can make the difference in being able to get away if you are caught.
A lot of regular battleships can attain 900DPS.
It has to sit still or you risk losing sentries so you are susectiple to getting caught as you accelerate to warp off speed when a neut enters your system.
Arn't carriers changing to only be able to use fighters in the Winter expansion or is it only super carriers getting changed.
PS I have never flown a carrier but I believe all the above would be widely agreed upon by carrier pilots.
supers are limited to bombers and fighters, carriers are fighters and drones. |

myFORUMalt alts
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.11.06 15:33:00 -
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So my dream of flying a sentry nix is over Yes, I complain about things I don't like. |

Mithrandere
League of Gentlemen Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.06 15:38:00 -
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myFORUMalt alts wrote:Does any one out there effectively use a thanny with a sentry fit to effectively grind a noms out in null. If so, what's your fit like, what's your technique. When I first got into the Ishtar and discovered sentries I loved em, however am still yet to use them on my thanny as a main focus for ratting. Or is this the dumbest thing to mention. Does anyone use a sentry nix out there.
Hi mate, I use a caldari chimera but the principle is the same: Sentry drones = more isk p/h due to reduced travel time.
BUT to make it work your fit must include: Garde sentry drones You must fit at least 1 preferable 2 Omnidirectional Tracking units 1 target painter or another omnidiectional tracking unit
AND were possible also fit: 1 or 2 large smart bombs for pesky close range frigs.
As far as technique goes 1) I triger the whole horde (or sanctum) - NB: You will need need to be able to tank C.2500DPS 2) I tend to target small to large and use medium drones on frigates hulls 3) I keep a noctice and a CNR in the maintenance bay of the carrier. I use an alt to support with the CNR until there is about 5 mins left when i swap for the noctice. I finish scoops the wrecks at about the same time as the carrier pops the last targets.
ISK per hour: C.50mil ISK per horde: C25mil ^ At local refiend prices. |

Mithrandere
League of Gentlemen Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.06 15:44:00 -
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Haoibuni wrote:
Arn't carriers changing to only be able to use fighters in the Winter expansion or is it only super carriers getting changed.
PS I have never flown a carrier but I believe all the above would be widely agreed upon by carrier pilots.
Just supers - and i totally disagree and I HAVE flown CNR/Maruder/T3 and Carriers in hordes/sanctums. |

TrollFace TrololMcFluf
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.06 17:47:00 -
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A ratting carrier is a dead carrier even if every system for the next 10 jumps around you is full of blues and not a nute in sight why bother to rat in something that a T1 battleship can do just as well while aligning faster than a fat american and not being a bill isk loss when you do end up going boom |

Mithrandere
League of Gentlemen Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.06 18:02:00 -
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:A ratting carrier is a dead carrier even if every system for the next 10 jumps around you is full of blues and not a nute in sight why bother to rat in something that a T1 battleship can do just as well while aligning faster than a fat american and not being a bill isk loss when you do end up going boom
Dude, do you not read. I KEEP aligned to a pos or station at all times - so the into warp speed time is negligable. I rat in a very well fitted CNR that out performs my Golum (both are perfect skilled) and is still outpaced by the carrier at a rate of 1.5x, Oh, and Im still waiting on drone interfacing 5 (that only takes 38 days to complete) and carrier 5 (48 days) that will get me a further 160 dps.
I have been running hordes/sanctums in a carrer for nearly 18 months in NC space and drone space and im still in the same hull I started with.
I dont deny that a carrier, if caught is dead meat - but you have to fly like a total fool to get it popped. As soon as a neut/red appears in local scoop drones (sentrys come in instantly) and warp home. - How hard can it be? Once you have got rid of the frigs the sentrys can clear up the site quickly without insruction so there is no excuse for missing a new guy in local.
I can only assume that you have lost lots of carriers ratting or never done it - either way you dont have much to add to this thread as you are clearly not flying the carrier rite or your just making assumptions on something you have never tried.
Oh and another thing, it cost me 700mil to buy and fit this carrier. |

river Zateki
Dutch Squad Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2011.11.06 20:38:00 -
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Mithrandere wrote:TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:A ratting carrier is a dead carrier even if every system for the next 10 jumps around you is full of blues and not a nute in sight why bother to rat in something that a T1 battleship can do just as well while aligning faster than a fat american and not being a bill isk loss when you do end up going boom Dude, do you not read. I KEEP aligned to a pos or station at all times - so the into warp speed time is negligable. I rat in a very well fitted CNR that out performs my Golum (both are perfect skilled) and is still outpaced by the carrier at a rate of 1.5x, Oh, and Im still waiting on drone interfacing 5 (that only takes 38 days to complete) and carrier 5 (48 days) that will get me a further 160 dps. I have been running hordes/sanctums in a carrer for nearly 18 months in NC space and drone space and im still in the same hull I started with. I dont deny that a carrier, if caught is dead meat - but you have to fly like a total fool to get it popped. As soon as a neut/red appears in local scoop drones (sentrys come in instantly) and warp home. - How hard can it be? Once you have got rid of the frigs the sentrys can clear up the site quickly without insruction so there is no excuse for missing a new guy in local. I can only assume that you have lost lots of carriers ratting or never done it - either way you dont have much to add to this thread as you are clearly not flying the carrier rite or your just making assumptions on something you have never tried. Oh and another thing, it cost me 700mil to buy and fit this carrier.
Great post except for the fact that DI V does not take 38 days...and you need it to even use a carrier anyway.
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Mithrandere
League of Gentlemen Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.06 21:41:00 -
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river Zateki wrote:
Great post except for the fact that DI V does not take 38 days...and you need it to even use a carrier anyway.
Checks evemon..................................... ah ADVANCED drone interfacing - duh :) |

myFORUMalt alts
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.11.06 23:55:00 -
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i love how narrow minded some of these people are. Everyone in eve that is a serious pve'er knows, its either carrier or mach for optimum pve. both can finish top end anoms in less then 20 minutes and with a support ship taking out small ships it gets down to 12 minutes or so. thats upwards of 150 mil an hour for two characters. So you people who hate carrier ratters are stupid. By the way, at range, with no transversal speed change wouldnt taking the frigs out with sentries as the close in range be the best way to deal with the frigs then allow the sentries to **** the slow moving bs npc's. oh and i lost a carrier once, a year ago. never again. always aligned and ready Yes, I complain about things I don't like. |

yumike
Eve of Madness
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Posted - 2011.11.07 03:42:00 -
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Mithrandere wrote:river Zateki wrote:
Great post except for the fact that DI V does not take 38 days...and you need it to even use a carrier anyway.
Checks evemon..................................... ah ADVANCED drone interfacing - duh :)
Just a point of interest, Wouldn't carrier V be super more important to train first? I imagine it would have a much larger impact on your already 14 drones out rather than one extra drone.
ADI is just about last on my list to even toy with training.. I left mine at IV mind you when i finished my carrier skills in '09. I suppose I ended up opting for at least one utility slot rather then one extra drone.
Just curious. |

Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.11.07 08:50:00 -
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yumike wrote:Mithrandere wrote:river Zateki wrote:
Great post except for the fact that DI V does not take 38 days...and you need it to even use a carrier anyway.
Checks evemon..................................... ah ADVANCED drone interfacing - duh :) Just a point of interest, Wouldn't carrier V be super more important to train first? I imagine it would have a much larger impact on your already 14 drones out rather than one extra drone. ADI is just about last on my list to even toy with training.. I left mine at IV mind you when i finished my carrier skills in '09. I suppose I ended up opting for at least one utility slot rather then one extra drone. Just curious.
CCP wrote:Gallente Carrier Skill Bonuses: 50% bonus to Capital Shield and Armor transfer range per level 5% bonus to deployed FightersGÇÖ damage per level 99% reduction in CPU need for Warfare Link modules Can fit Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration modules Can deploy 1 additional Fighter or Drone per level 200% bonus to Fighter control range
The only benifit advancing the carrier skill is to deploy an extra sentry. No damage bonuses are applies to them, only fighters.
Regarding sanctums, if you are doing Hordes, then seriously try Amarr fighters; Templars. BS drones have a strong habbit to clump together, so if you split your fighters into 2 or even 3 groups each group can go for a different clump of drones. Minimises traveling time but it is more intensive ratting.
As said, a Thanny with 2 Omni's is great too, and use either Garde 2's or Curators (T1 or 2) for drone hordes. I have been ratting with my archon for well over 12 months now (and use it in PVP anger whenever i like)... i have only ever been caught once in a horde in my archon and that was by someone from Rooks and kings that i easily chased away. So no losses... yet :)
Always pays to be in a system wide fleet with your corpies, and to watch your security channel. Not sure where a system is when a neut is reported? Right click and Set Destination and see how far away they are. Easy.
I have a DPS/gank thanny i use with the archon too, it has a few I-stabs in the lows and 3 omni's and a Sebo, 4 DCUs and a drone link augemtor. With 14 T2 curatr 2's and 12 curator 2's from my Archon, it makes salvaging in my third char a breeze.
Neut comes in? Recall drones and warp. You will always warp out before a neut warps to you, provided you have started to warp as soon as it comes in to your system.
system scan time: 10 seconds Align time: 2 seconds? Warp time: 20 seconds or so. Easily enough for you to warp out and safe up. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |

Zen Fong
Aurora Tech. Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2011.11.07 12:26:00 -
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myFORUMalt alts wrote:i love how narrow minded some of these people are. Everyone in eve that is a serious pve'er knows, its either carrier or mach for optimum pve. both can finish top end anoms in less then 20 minutes and with a support ship taking out small ships it gets down to 12 minutes or so. thats upwards of 150 mil an hour for two characters. So you people who hate carrier ratters are stupid. By the way, at range, with no transversal speed change wouldnt taking the frigs out with sentries as the close in range be the best way to deal with the frigs then allow the sentries to **** the slow moving bs npc's. oh and i lost a carrier once, a year ago. never again. always aligned and ready
Can anyone else confirm that amount of ISK making ? - Speaking from my own experience, that's rather impossible... or am I doing it wrong ?
At the present time, i'm living in 0.0 Drone Region and I farm Horde anomalies with my Thanatos. I have 3 control links, a smartbomb and an Capital RAR fitted, which allows me to use 13 drones. To be honest, I'm a lazy mo'fo' and I can't be bothered using Fighters. - I prefer using Ogre II's. That said, I can finish a horde in approx 30-40mins which is worth 35kk. So yeah.. with steady grinding, you can make about 50kk per hour. But is it possible to push out more ISK from those god damn Hordes ?
(Any feedback is appreciated, but feedback from your own experience is preferred)
PS: haven't tried Garde II's yet, need about a month to get them maxed out, but my friend says it's not going to make a significant difference. Is he wrong ? |

Mentat Cthulhu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.11.07 12:45:00 -
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You're doing it wrong. Train sentries. Use groups of templars to kill the bs. Ignore cruisers and bcs...kill all bs, warp out to next horde. After 2-3 mins site despawns and you can loot all the bs wrecks. I use tengu could do 3-4 bunker horde solo and it is only 600 dps iirc. |

Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.07 17:52:00 -
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TrollFace TrololMcFluf wrote:A ratting carrier is a dead carrier even if every system for the next 10 jumps around you is full of blues and not a nute in sight why bother to rat in something that a T1 battleship can do just as well while aligning faster than a fat american and not being a bill isk loss when you do end up going boom I was so close to taking you seriously. So so close.
Also, ratting carriers are cheaper to lose than Tengus after insurance. |

RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
7
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:45:00 -
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Zen Fong wrote:[quote=myFORUMalt alts] To be honest, I'm a lazy mo'fo' and I can't be bothered using Fighters. - I prefer using Ogre II's.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
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Posted - 2011.11.15 20:47:00 -
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Mithrandere wrote: Dude, do you not read. I KEEP aligned to a pos or station at all times - so the into warp speed time is negligable. ..... As soon as a neut/red appears in local scoop drones (sentrys come in instantly) and warp home
Passive Align is a myth. Time yourself pointing any direction at 0m/s and you will enter warp at the same time. |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.16 00:18:00 -
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You get no benefits from being passive aligned, saw a long explanation on this and have also timed it. The ship turning is purely for your viewing pleasure.  Back on topic :) I use a carrier in a wh, slightly different I know. The sentry's work really well against cruisers and frigs if you can get them before they get too close. Fighters for BS mostly, but that depends on triggers and how many BS need disposing of at the time. I don't ever use ogre's, they tooo slowwwww. |

luvmehard
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.11.16 10:32:00 -
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I was about to ask how does one keep aligned and uses sentries at the same time.. Please support my proposal for LP relocation! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30500 |

myFORUMalt alts
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.11.16 11:16:00 -
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This post is getting off topic. I know abut align and Sentries do not go well with allign time. Does anyone have a fit and a ratting technique that uses sentires. Example, when i was in an ishtar, id warp into the haven or sanctum, at 70km, kill all the frigates on up, and everything was dead by 60km out. The frigs insta popped due to their lack of transversal velocity. The problem with the carrier is, it cant kill the battleships fast enough with the sentries having to return and letting the fighters out to kill the battleships. So the point is, does anyone effectviely know the trick to using sentries to run a high end anom more effiiciently than with fighters. Yes, I complain about things I don't like. |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.16 18:32:00 -
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myFORUMalt alts wrote:This post is getting off topic. I know abut align and Sentries do not go well with allign time. Does anyone have a fit and a ratting technique that uses sentires. Example, when i was in an ishtar, id warp into the haven or sanctum, at 70km, kill all the frigates on up, and everything was dead by 60km out. The frigs insta popped due to their lack of transversal velocity. The problem with the carrier is, it cant kill the battleships fast enough with the sentries having to return and letting the fighters out to kill the battleships. So the point is, does anyone effectviely know the trick to using sentries to run a high end anom more effiiciently than with fighters.
Only way you going to perform better against BS is to dual box or bring a friend.... I use a chimera and tengu, but that is in a wh.
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