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Dhan	Posted - 2006.03.09 04:37:00 - [31] Drop it. You stretched the facts beyond any resemblence of truth and trying to backtrack won't make it better. Even by your numbers, it would mean FA used to field ~594 person fleets in the past. Big+Rez generally sent more than 3 players each military ops in the past. Some of the players from the corps that left have also joined remaining FA corps. What others with reason have stated about a large reduction in FA size is true. You however are just exagerating and trying to spread propaganda on this forum. We have become a smaller but more efficient entity and our players are more active and entertained by Eve than we were in the past when FA was larger. Dhan Originally by: TWD Originally by: Dhan Come on now... Let's not start pulling ridiculous numbers out of your behind. What you're claiming is simply not true. Originally by: TWD 99% of the people that fought for the regions that FA claimed - Delve / Period Basis / Fountain left and accepted that FA lost. Blah Blah 3 Corporations are left from that time. BIG / Resurrection / Colsup BIG usually sent in 2-3 players, Resurrection something similar and Colsup was never to be seen in FA fleets. So when counting the rest it comes pretty close to 99%.
TWD	Posted - 2006.03.09 04:39:00 - [32] Edited by: TWD on 09/03/2006 04:43:27 I've got more respect for the players that left FA and accepted the situation because it takes strength to accept defeat and move on. This is in contrast to the FA members that were not seen in the FA fleets, played in empire space or rarely played. Quote: Even by your numbers, it would mean FA used to field ~594 person fleets in the past. Big+Rez generally sent more than 3 players each military ops in the past. Some of the players from the corps that left have also joined remaining FA corps. Whether its 99% or 95%, it comes down to the same thing. Question though, did you not join FA only recently ?
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.03.09 04:49:00 - [33] Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 09/03/2006 04:43:27 I've got more respect for the players that left FA and accepted the situation because it takes strength to accept defeat and move on. This is in contrast to the FA members that were not seen in the FA fleets, played in empire space or rarely played. So what about the FA players who constantly got raped by Bob but still fight to this day. I know respecting an enemy is a challenge, but if anyone deserves it shouldn't it be some of those guys? Sure, some of the people admitted defeat and moved one. But an equal amount jumped ship as soon and things took a turn for the worse and they couldn't mine.
Dhan	Posted - 2006.03.09 04:51:00 - [34] What you wrote is a put-down attempt. We're here because we enjoy a challenge and enjoy pvp. We have engaged in daily battles for probably more than a year. We have inflicted more losses on an alliance 35% larger than ours (Xelas) than they have on us. We have killed BoB members but have suffered more losses from them. We will continue to be here because it's fun. And we will continue to prosper and grow. Most of the "FA members that were not seen in FA fleets" as you state, are already gone. What's left are the members that like to fight. Dhan Originally by: TWD I've got more respect for the players that left FA and accepted the situation because it takes strength to accept defeat and move on. This is in contrast to the FA members that were not seen in the FA fleets, played in empire space or rarely played.
hoebela	Posted - 2006.03.09 04:52:00 - [35] Edited by: hoebela on 09/03/2006 04:52:37 Originally by: Shin Ra So what about the FA players who constantly got raped by Bob but still fight to this day. I know respecting an enemy is a challenge, but if anyone deserves it shouldn't it be some of those guys? Sure, some of the people admitted defeat and moved one. But an equal amount jumped ship as soon and things took a turn for the worse and they couldn't mine. Certainly, but those people can be counted on one hand. -TWD
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.03.09 04:54:00 - [36] Originally by: hoebela Edited by: hoebela on 09/03/2006 04:52:37 Originally by: Shin Ra So what about the FA players who constantly got raped by Bob but still fight to this day. I know respecting an enemy is a challenge, but if anyone deserves it shouldn't it be some of those guys? Sure, some of the people admitted defeat and moved one. But an equal amount jumped ship as soon and things took a turn for the worse and they couldn't mine. Certainly, but those people can be counted on one hand. -TWD What are their names?
TWD	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Shin Ra What are their names? Those people know who they are.
Dhan	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:25:00 - [38] Edited by: Dhan on 09/03/2006 05:27:10 Still can't stop exagerating TWD? Almost every one of your posts is another attempt at propaganda. Do you see how people could lose respect for you with such posts coming from you? Here's 6 names that have fought for FA a year ago and fight to this day. That's more than your claim that they can be "counted on one hand". These are all current Rez members too. Dhan Rilewedge M0rph Cherok Aflack Fast Track Originally by: TWD Originally by: Shin Ra What are their names? Those people know who they are.
Baun	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:39:00 - [39] Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 09/03/2006 04:43:27 I've got more respect for the players that left FA and accepted the situation because it takes strength to accept defeat and move on. This is in contrast to the FA members that were not seen in the FA fleets, played in empire space or rarely played. Quote: Even by your numbers, it would mean FA used to field ~594 person fleets in the past. Big+Rez generally sent more than 3 players each military ops in the past. Some of the players from the corps that left have also joined remaining FA corps. Whether its 99% or 95%, it comes down to the same thing. Question though, did you not join FA only recently ? Dhan was in FA with HMM (Heavy Metal something something) and Rez was a very earlier joiner in FA, left and then rejoined not all that long after EVEM joined FA (maybe 3 months). I think Dhan has probably been in the FA for about twice as long as I was. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 09/03/2006 04:43:27 I've got more respect for the players that left FA and accepted the situation because it takes strength to accept defeat and move on. This is in contrast to the FA members that were not seen in the FA fleets, played in empire space or rarely played. So what about the FA players who constantly got raped by Bob but still fight to this day. I know respecting an enemy is a challenge, but if anyone deserves it shouldn't it be some of those guys? Sure, some of the people admitted defeat and moved one. But an equal amount jumped ship as soon and things took a turn for the worse and they couldn't mine. Friendmaster is a good example of the former and he is still the greatest player in the history of EVE :D (you gotta love this guy lol). As to the second part, a great GREAT many people were spineless and joined our enemies at various points in the conflict. This was primarily a problem when we were fighting ATUK. If you count the XAN PvP section that left before ATUK attacked, something crazy like 25% of our PvPers at the start of the war ended up fighting against us during the course of it (and another 50% simply left the alliance or the game). By the time BoB rolled around there were very few people (esepecially PvPers) left to leave the join them. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Dhan Edited by: Dhan on 09/03/2006 05:27:10 Still can't stop exagerating TWD? Almost every one of your posts is another attempt at propaganda. Do you see how people could lose respect for you with such posts coming from you? Here's 6 names that have fought for FA a year ago and fight to this day. That's more than your claim that they can be "counted on one hand". These are all current Rez members too. Dhan Rilewedge M0rph Cherok Aflack Fast Track Originally by: TWD Originally by: Shin Ra What are their names? Those people know who they are. Mimiru Solwolf Innerdrive Frantik Chee Super Frenchy Latton Callon Lemou detaitiv Ray McCormack feroci0us Thats just off the top of my head. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Baun	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:52:00 - [42] Edited by: Baun on 09/03/2006 05:52:39 Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 09/03/2006 04:38:15 Originally by: Dhan Come on now... Let's not start pulling ridiculous numbers out of your behind. What you're claiming is simply not true. Originally by: TWD 99% of the people that fought for the regions that FA claimed - Delve / Period Basis / Fountain left and accepted that FA lost. Blah Blah 3 Corporations are left from that time. BIG / Resurrection / Colsup BIG usually sent in 2-3 players, Resurrection something similar and Colsup was never to be seen in FA fleets. So when counting the rest it comes pretty close to 99%. FYI BIG used to have a huge PvP squadron (lead by a great FC, Slam). They left shortly before ATUK attacked for some odd reason (something about not having people to shoot I think, Slam had been long out of the game at this point ;/). They eventually created FURY Corporation, which then accepted the JAZZ traitors into it and started fighting FA. As a result, BIG's PvP contribution was minimal (until they merged with AFDT). Thats excusable though since they provided the most invaluable asset we had, Frantik. A similiar thing happened to REZ around the same time with Cherok taking a few players to some corp (Insane Clone Posse or something). REZ, however, continued to supply quite alot of active PvPers anyway. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:53:00 - [43] Edited by: Shin Ra on 09/03/2006 05:54:59 Its fair enough that BoB hate all these guys cause they are their sworn enemies, but they still do admit certain FAers are desrving of respect. But the way all the ASCN crew parade arround dissing FA, its not cool. The current FA are far more deserving of respect than most people. Remember, your standings may say people are bad, but it doesnt make it true.
Baun	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 09/03/2006 05:53:06 Its fair enough that BoB hate all these guys cause they are their sworn enemies. But the way all the ASCN crew parade arround dissing FA, its not cool. They are far more deserving of respect than most people. Hate or no hate, do you really think its fair for BoB to have shown and continue to show the same disrespect (in the form of moronic hyperbole) to FA people that they have? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Angelus X	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:57:00 - [45] Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 09/03/2006 05:53:06 Its fair enough that BoB hate all these guys cause they are their sworn enemies. But the way all the ASCN crew parade arround dissing FA, its not cool. They are far more deserving of respect than most people. There are several [ASCN] pilots who hold grudges against several different players/corporations/alliances/groups, none of whom particularly care if you think it's "cool" or not Shin Ra. Since when are just a pair of [ASCN] forum *****s the "ASCN crew" anyway? --- Linkage Sigs are limited to 24,000; Please reduce it's size. - Ductoris
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.03.09 05:57:00 - [46] Originally by: Baun FYI BIG used to have a huge PvP squadron (lead by a great FC, Slam). They left shortly before ATUK attacked for some odd reason (something about not having people to shoot I think, Slam had been long out of the game at this point ;/). They eventually created FURY Corporation, which then accepted the JAZZ traitors into it and started fighting FA. As a result, BIG's PvP contribution was minimal (until they merged with AFDT). Thats excusable though since they provided the most invaluable asset we had, Frantik. A similiar thing happened to REZ around the same time with Cherok taking a few players to some corp (Insane Clone Posse or something). REZ, however, continued to supply quite alot of active PvPers anyway. It would be interesting to find out just how many ex-FA people are in uber pvp corps now.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Baun Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 09/03/2006 05:53:06 Its fair enough that BoB hate all these guys cause they are their sworn enemies. But the way all the ASCN crew parade arround dissing FA, its not cool. They are far more deserving of respect than most people. Hate or no hate, do you really think its fair for BoB to have shown and continue to show the same disrespect (in the form of moronic hyperbole) to FA people that they have? Of course its not fair, but nobody is going to do anything about it. Furthermore, while it may be simply propaganda, the Bob fanbois take it as being the truth.
M0RPH	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:03:00 - [48] I grow tired of all the flames on this forum. This is why I have so few posts here. BoB and co know we have fought. Stop the hate. :(
Baun	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:04:00 - [49] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Baun Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 09/03/2006 05:53:06 Its fair enough that BoB hate all these guys cause they are their sworn enemies. But the way all the ASCN crew parade arround dissing FA, its not cool. They are far more deserving of respect than most people. Hate or no hate, do you really think its fair for BoB to have shown and continue to show the same disrespect (in the form of moronic hyperbole) to FA people that they have? Of course its not fair, but nobody is going to do anything about it. Furthermore, while it may be simply propaganda, the Bob fanbois take it as being the truth. The effectiveness of it is why the game continues to be played just as much on the forums as in space ..... . sad. The Enemy's Gate is Down
TWD	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:07:00 - [50] Edited by: TWD on 09/03/2006 06:07:36 Originally by: Dhan Here's 6 names that have fought for FA a year ago and fight to this day. That's more than your claim that they can be "counted on one hand". These are all current Rez members too. Dhan Rilewedge M0rph Cherok Aflack Fast Track I see Well, we can argue forever, but my views are simple. Almost all of the people that were actively involved in the fight over the regions against BoB have left FA. Ultimately losing the conquerable stations against BoB in a struggle that lasted months is as close to victory conditions as it can be. The FA members at the time realized this. You (re?)joined FA after this happened.
Baun	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:10:00 - [51] Edited by: Baun on 09/03/2006 06:14:26 Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 09/03/2006 06:07:36 Originally by: Dhan Here's 6 names that have fought for FA a year ago and fight to this day. That's more than your claim that they can be "counted on one hand". These are all current Rez members too. Dhan Rilewedge M0rph Cherok Aflack Fast Track I see Well, we can argue forever, but my views are simple. Almost all of the people that were actively involved in the fight over the regions against BoB have left FA. Ultimately losing the conquerable stations against BoB in a struggle that lasted months is as close to victory conditions as it can be. The FA members at the time realized this. You (re?)joined FA after this happened. Doesn't the fact that many people are rejoining the FA (including people whose stay in it has spanned several years) kind of underscore the whole point that they are NOT dead? How ******* dense can you be. In any case, you really the breaking point in the FA's many wars. This occured well before any stations were lost (at least to BoB) and well before EVOL even came back from their EVE break. Once it became clear that people could make more money in empire instead of sitting in a ship which they were expected to be willing to lose while doing nothing profitable, THEY WENT BACK TO EMPIRE. Not only that, but a great many long time PvP corps had large membership issues at this point with people going to other games. The FA simultaneously lost all of its cannon fodder AND the majority of its European PvPers (S-44, JAZZ, 4S, Finfleet, Xanadu, BIG etc). People leaving around this time had little or no care about some station being taken which none of them lived in. The Enemy's Gate is Down
TWD	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:13:00 - [52] Edited by: TWD on 09/03/2006 06:15:14 Originally by: Baun Doesn't the fact that many people are rejoining the FA (including people whose stay in it has spanned several years) kind of underscore the whole point that they are NOT dead? How ******* dense can you be. Confused here, I don't see people that were in involved in the period of time when the big things happened - rejoining. Where is your FA tag Baun?
Josiah Bartlet	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:17:00 - [53] Ahh the cycle of life in Eve repeats itself. Some entity gets pwnt and has to move back to empire. Desite it litteraly destroying numerous corps because their members leave some contiunue to live on in the past. Then, a year later after their old space is relativly empty hey come back and sy they never left. Tis a sad set of affairs... --- SigPl/HQ&Log Coy/MNB(C)/KFOR
Baun	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:17:00 - [54] Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 09/03/2006 06:14:19 Originally by: Baun Doesn't the fact that many people are rejoining the FA (including people whose stay in it has spanned several years) kind of underscore the whole point that they are NOT dead? How ******* dense can you be. Confused here, I don't see people that were in involved in the period of time when the big happened - rejoining. Where is your FA tag Baun? All of the people who you so triumphantly claimed were Johnny come latelys WERE INVOLVED IN THE FIGHTING. Indeed, Cherok was even an FA military commander ..... I don't see how you are well served making things up. There are ALOT of people who are in the FA who have always been in the FA. There are alot of people in the FA who were in the FA during the entire course of the fights against ATUK and Shinra and then BoB. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:19:00 - [55] Even though I have been gone from FA for a long time and in some ways my corp contributed to FAÆs demise, I still respect many of FA guys and can safety say that they are still my friends. Game politics are just that, but the relationships that ware formed while we were in the glory days of FA will always be there even if we donÆt talk as much as we used to. I always offered my support and offered to vouch for any of these guys if they ever wanted to jump ships, but they always refused and to this day chose to stick it out. Respect my old AFDT/Xanadu friends. The truth will set you free
Baun	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:20:00 - [56] Edited by: Baun on 09/03/2006 06:21:32 Originally by: Josiah Bartlet Ahh the cycle of life in Eve repeats itself. Some entity gets pwnt and has to move back to empire. Desite it litteraly destroying numerous corps because their members leave some contiunue to live on in the past. Then, a year later after their old space is relativly empty hey come back and sy they never left. Tis a sad set of affairs... While people like you who have no clue what they are talking about make uninformed posts on the forums. That part, however, is not a cycle, its continuous. The Enemy's Gate is Down
F'nog	Posted - 2006.03.09 06:31:00 - [57] Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 09/03/2006 05:54:59 Its fair enough that BoB hate all these guys cause they are their sworn enemies, but they still do admit certain FAers are desrving of respect. But the way all the ASCN crew parade arround dissing FA, its not cool. The current FA are far more deserving of respect than most people. Remember, your standings may say people are bad, but it doesnt make it true. I don't have anything against FA, except maybe TS, but that's pretty much long forgotten, nor am I dissing them. All I did was ask one person why he sees this as a flame attempt when I believe it's an honest question from a returning player. Then I stated two simple facts that aren't really in dispute which were mentioned in the thread and answered the OP's question: FA holds no sovereignty of which I'm aware, and their membership dropped greatly after BoB took Fountain. In no way am I dissing anyone. In fact, I have great respect for those who continue to fight in Fountain despite an overwhelming lack of numbers. Good for them for standing up for a cause they believe in. Maybe one day FA will be strong again, but for now they are not having a serious impact on the politics of Eve. Originally by: Bl4zer But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.03.09 07:07:00 - [58] I have been part of FA before Exodus.. and I have been part of FA IGA .. Never been in fountain thou. People still loves me Unnerf Amarr!! "Save yourselves........sell out and NAP the 5" ¬ gfasobek
dabster	Posted - 2006.03.09 08:16:00 - [59] Edited by: dabster on 09/03/2006 08:19:04 I'm still amazed that people like TWD (who i usually respect), are still doing nothing but dissing FA and proclaiming them dead over and over. When infact Bob weren't much involved in the number-drop of members and corps. FA of the old was long gone when Bob moved to Fountain and there was no resistance left after ATUK/Shinra had been there to play. FA arent what they used to be, nobody is denying it, not them selves either. But are they dead? Very clearly not - so just get over the fact that you CANT kill alliances. You can force them to reform, but not kill them. wow I could rant so much about this..FA and Fountain has a big spot in my heart. I grew up there and was activly involved in all major happenings until the very last 'big' dropout of corps. Discussing who was active when is just so incredibly stupid, for one thing it shows that Baun knows and realises more than a certain Evol member. Frantik > all Frantiks alt > all TWD: You're nothing but a troll, go away. ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Bozl1n	Posted - 2006.03.09 08:59:00 - [60] Originally by: TWD Edited by: TWD on 09/03/2006 06:07:36 Originally by: Dhan Here's 6 names that have fought for FA a year ago and fight to this day. That's more than your claim that they can be "counted on one hand". These are all current Rez members too. Dhan Rilewedge M0rph Cherok Aflack Fast Track I see Well, we can argue forever, but my views are simple. Almost all of the people that were actively involved in the fight over the regions against BoB have left FA. Ultimately losing the conquerable stations against BoB in a struggle that lasted months is as close to victory conditions as it can be. The FA members at the time realized this. You (re?)joined FA after this happened. Sorry TWD, but in this case youre wrong, every person on that list is oldskool.

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