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Vanye
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:31:00 -
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Charon is actually the son of Nyx and Erebos, and brother of Moros, Thanatos, Eris and Nemesis (and a few others that didn't make it into eve ^^).
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Outa Rileau
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vanye Charon is actually the son of Nyx and Erebos, and brother of Moros, Thanatos, Eris and Nemesis (and a few others that didn't make it into eve ^^).
Messed up greeks. Everybody's related to everybody
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Outa Rileau
Originally by: Vanye Charon is actually the son of Nyx and Erebos, and brother of Moros, Thanatos, Eris and Nemesis (and a few others that didn't make it into eve ^^).
Messed up greeks. Everybody's related to everybody
dirty athenian
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rockety Zarmoff The Athenians liked to construe themselves as democratic as opposed to the Spartans, but they weren't, particularly. Don't believe the propaganda.
Um mr expert. The very word democracy comes from ancient Athens duh
Besides several periods of dictatorship and oligarchy, every citizen had a right to vote in Athens. Excluded were the "slaves" called Elots (or however you say them in english) which exclusively came from either conquered territories or by "bancrupt" Athenian citizens. Several of these "slaves" after the passing of time and upstanding service were being "upgraded" to proper athenian citizens with full voting rights etc
/thread derail alert!
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Rockety Zarmoff
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:12:00 -
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Ahahahaha. I'm no expert, but I am studying Classics at a pretty good university, so I know that for one, the Helots were the slaves of the Spartans, not Athenians. Two, of course I know that democracy 'came from' ancient Athens, but I also know that it was hardly ever a stable democracy, and there were multiple revolts that saw oligarchies installed. I know, as you try to point out, that any Athenian male citizen over the age of 30 had the vote. Do you call a society in which women, fully grown men, slaves, immigrants, and, at some stages, for instance after the Periclean citizenship reforms, Athenians whose mothers were of foreign origin - do you call a society in which none of these groups could vote 'democratic'? The majority of those who were technically allowed to vote were hardly capable of it either since they were too busy with all that back-breaking agricultural labour in the countryside to come into town, given that missing a day's work meant a lot more than it does to us today.
I also know that, while the vote was afforded to this very limited range of Athenians, the social hierarchy was not democratic in that, compared with a democracy today, there was very little social mobility. It was ridiculous for a farmer to aspire to the kind of powerful position that a Cleisthenes or a Pericles occupied - these men were powerful because they were born into wealthy, noble families. See the parabasis to Athenian poet Aristophanes' play Frogs for an example of how undemocratic Athenians were with regard to social advancement.
The reason I've gone so far off topic is, well, actually I haven't, because this thread is generally concerned with the relationship between a game, EVE, and the models on which it bases itself, i.e. ancient Greek history/mythology. I think it is important to show that whatever analogy CCP have drawn between Gallente 'democracy' and Athenian 'democracy' is a spurious one. I would much rather read the Gallente Caldari distinction as a very modern, rather than ancient, problem, one of capitalistic advancement and the eradication of individual liberty. But that's another story.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:25:00 -
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lol yeah I always confuse the helots And for the life of me I can't remember the athenian counterpart.
We ofcourse judge those times by todays standards and don't find them "particularly" democratic, but compared to everything else, they were the closest thing.... you gotta start somewhere heh |
sarabando
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:50:00 -
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caldari ships bantam- type of chicken condor- bird merlin- bird kestral- bird griffin- mythical bird monster thing heron- bird
moa- large flightless bird like an ostrich blackbird- duh? its a puppy caracal- wildcat osprey- bird
comerant- bird
scorpion- insect raven- bird
ferox- could be a prehistoric fish or a spider or a plant (google is screwed)
so generaly birds but a few random ones in there
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J Dubbs
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:00:00 -
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Ferox is also a species of trout
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Arashi Miike
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:02:00 -
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Ferox, IIRC, is not only a predatory catlike animal, but can also translate loosely as "head-strong" in latin. Interesting, because not only could the Caldari be called head-strong, but if you look at the Ferox, is it weighted towards the front, or "head". CCP can be clever some times. "I should have been a pair of ragged claws/ scuttling across the floors of silent seas." |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:48:00 -
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Minm should get a Hurricane.
Caldari should get a Goose
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:06:00 -
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Scorpions are arachnids, not insects.
So, only older men could vote? Sounds to me like they got it right on the first try...
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Flash Landsraad
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Posted - 2006.03.10 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek so what will the tier 3 BS's and Tier 2 BC's be called, following said trends?
I'm guessing maybe these names:
'Hephaestus' (Greek God of Fire as well as other things).
'Atropos' (One of the three Fates - in Greek mythology the person that cuts the thread of life when you die)
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.03.10 04:49:00 -
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I'd like to see Tisiphone or maybe Alecto. Those'd be cool. ---- I <3 Taranis
Cake > Pie - Imaran
Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
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Mortimus
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Posted - 2006.03.10 05:32:00 -
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heh. i called my deimos "Tisiphone"
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Lygos
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Posted - 2006.03.10 05:48:00 -
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Edited by: Lygos on 10/03/2006 05:52:25 The Gallente are very Athenian in that they most likely restrict full citizenship to the well propertied. Either directly or indirectly does a plutocracy control the reins of power. Formal suffrage isn't the same as defacto suffrage afterall. There's certainly more ways to govern a people than by spectacle.
The Caldari are perhaps ideologically similar to the idealized values contemporary historians place on the Spartan society. Namely, unification of public will and to that end, subordination to some sort of unified authority.
It's no secret that the recovered writings of Plato and Aristotle both speak highly of the subject of homonoia, or like-mindedness for the citizens of a city.
In military practice, the Athenians probably weren't much different from the Spartans. The skirmishing battalions are understood to have pursued very tight formations as a sort of military tactic for their lance bearing infantry.
The disenfranched poor of a city, including Plato by legend, ran ahead and threw rocks at the enemy to break up their cohesion because they could not afford weapons or armor.
If you want to read similarity into the Gallente's use of drones or the fallangism in Caldari prime fiction to this, I suppose few would question it.
Eunoia: The persistent suspicion that the universe is secretly conspiring to quietly improve one's life. |
vanBuskirk
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Posted - 2006.03.10 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Flash Landsraad
Originally by: Kel Shek so what will the tier 3 BS's and Tier 2 BC's be called, following said trends?
I'm guessing maybe these names:
'Hephaestus' (Greek God of Fire as well as other things).
'Atropos' (One of the three Fates - in Greek mythology the person that cuts the thread of life when you die)
Where is Phobos, brother of Deimos? Ought to be good for something in the Gallente stable, but...
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.10 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: vanBuskirk
Originally by: Flash Landsraad
Originally by: Kel Shek so what will the tier 3 BS's and Tier 2 BC's be called, following said trends?
I'm guessing maybe these names:
'Hephaestus' (Greek God of Fire as well as other things).
'Atropos' (One of the three Fates - in Greek mythology the person that cuts the thread of life when you die)
Where is Phobos, brother of Deimos? Ought to be good for something in the Gallente stable, but...
Is used on a very old ( still in database ) thorax variant, but we're talking before interceptors where around here. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
DoMxj
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: DoMxj on 10/03/2006 11:16:08 many of the ships are greek names here are some more
cerberus means good defence and general army stuff we had many Kerberos nights when i was in the army in greece to test the defence of our camp !!Its also related to a mutholgical animal or something. Prophesy is a greek a word (maybe also latin dont know) Archon is the greek Lord when writing greek with english char Anathema is greek and means.. mm can translate it something like 'god dam you' or at least thats how we use it today :) :) Nemesis is old greek and was means vengeance
Heretic means something like some that is trying to push up a different religion
And some more that im not sure if they are greek or we took it from others.
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Zirator
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:30:00 -
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"Ishkur" ( Gallente mini blob in a box ^^ ) A Sumerian god of storms and rain, his Babylonian counterpart is Adad.
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Dahin
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:46:00 -
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holy zeus, I'm greek and I've never even bothered to try to find the mythological names in eve.
But then, if you wanna do that you'll end up with half the words in the game... That is, apart from words from civs that predate athens and the later classical era.
Yes, yes, the athenians were far from the good boys. When Milos said "meh, up yours. Mine your own ark" they took their projectiles and performed mass genocide on the island. Ooooh, lotsa other stories... Don't let me started about that good and beloved boy named alexander
/me now ducks to escape the incoming rocks from the rest of the greeks.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2006.03.10 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Harding So, only older men could vote? Sounds to me like they got it right on the first try...
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.03.10 13:33:00 -
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A Caracal is also a breed of parrot found in the amazonian jungles, if my books on Earth's fauna are still accurate ... cute little bird too
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.10 13:43:00 -
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Taranis: "Thunder". The thunder-god of ancient Gaul, and master of the sky. He may be compared to the Roman Jupiter, although his place in the Celtic pantheon was not as prominent as that of Jupiter in the Roman pantheon. His attribute is the wheel, which could be the symbol of thunder. The Romans described as receiving human sacrifices.
so Gallente don't use only latin/greek names ----------------
Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2006.03.10 13:58:00 -
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Gallente ships are named after deities of the mediterranean, gaul, celtic, or the babylonian areas. Also, there are more common and descriptive names derived from latin or greek (Thorax, anyone?). Caldari are named after a similar naming policy as the western countries name their military vehicles, especially the US military (birds (of prey), cliche-ish insects (scorpion), and ancient mythological BEASTS)
Originally by: TomB "Thanatos was the personification of death. Thanatos was a son of Nyx (Night)."
Don't forget to say hi to mommie when you fly by her in space.
DUDE! Read up on that mythology again. Then tell me why Thanatos' brother, Charon, is the Caldari freighter while the Gallente freighter is named Obelisk. (Oh, and if you ever make a mini-freighter, could you name the Gallentean one "Asterisk"?)
Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Arkanor Gallente missileboat might be cool.
Pod yourself till you got no skills.[ |
DKPowers
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Posted - 2006.03.10 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos Edited by: Lygos on 10/03/2006 05:52:25 The Caldari are perhaps ideologically similar to the idealized values contemporary historians place on the Spartan society. Namely, unification of public will and to that end, subordination to some sort of unified authority.
Yet all the Caldari names (agents) sound very Finnish...
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Mithylos
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Posted - 2006.03.12 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: DoMxj Edited by: DoMxj on 10/03/2006 11:16:08 many of the ships are greek names here are some more
cerberus means good defence and general army stuff we had many Kerberos nights when i was in the army in greece to test the defence of our camp !!Its also related to a mutholgical animal or something.
Cerberus (from Kerberos) is a 3-headed dog that guards the entrance to Hades
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Prophesy is a greek a word (maybe also latin dont know) Archon is the greek Lord when writing greek with english char Anathema is greek and means.. mm can translate it something like 'god dam you' or at least thats how we use it today :) :)
anathema is "a thing devoted to evil"... can refer to a curse or something cursed, but most often refers to a particularly loathed person or object
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Nemesis is old greek and was means vengeance
Nemesis was the goddess of retributive justice. One form of the word does refer to vengeance, but the most common use is to indicate a rival.
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Heretic means something like some that is trying to push up a different religion
Close... heretics are dissenters. They don't necessarily push another religion, they just don't accept, and may even challenge, an accepted belief.
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And some more that im not sure if they are greek or we took it from others.
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Dark Eulogy
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Posted - 2006.03.12 03:48:00 -
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You nerds think you're so smart. A 'modern' and a 'classic' or 'true' democracy are two different things. Idiots. The whole point of the Athenian democracy was that all the uneducated laborers could vote. Read some Thucydides effing noobs.
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Lok Ta'car
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Posted - 2006.03.12 05:41:00 -
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Here's a few of the Minmatarian names related to Norse mythology:
Hel - Daughter of Loki and Angurbo=a(a giantesse), was exiled to niflheim(norse hell) and was given power over those who died from old age and disease Nidhoggur(Nf=h÷ggur) - A dragon living in niflheim and naws at Askur Yggdrasil Sleipnir - The 8 legged horse of +=in(Odin) Naglfar - A ship that carries the dead from niflheim to fight in Ragnar÷k(armageddon) made from the nails of the dead Fenrir(Fenris·lfurinn - Brother of Hel, a wolf tied down by Gleipnir. Will break free during Ragnar÷k and devour +=in. Muninn - One of the ravens of +=in Huginn - The other raven of +=in Ragnar÷k - The apocalypse of Norse Mythology
Doomsday device: Gjallarhorn - A horn wich the gate keeper of Bifr÷st(bridge to heaven) blows when ragnar÷k begins.
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Arashi Miike
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Posted - 2006.03.12 06:02:00 -
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It's worth noting the Niflheim wasn't exactly hell, at least not in the way a Christian might think of it. It's more cold and fog than fire and sulfur, and going there isn't really dependent upon how you lived so much as how you died.
Also, the name for one of the Minmatar carriers, the Nidhoggur, is a corruption of the Nidhogg. In Norse mythology Nidhogg was the name of a giant serpent (the Norse loved their giant snakes) sometimes portrayed as a dragon, that lived in Niflheim and ate corpses. "I should have been a pair of ragged claws/ scuttling across the floors of silent seas." |
Akoudoulos
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Posted - 2006.03.12 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin Gallente ships are named after deities of the mediterranean, gaul, celtic, or the babylonian areas. Also, there are more common and descriptive names derived from latin or greek (Thorax, anyone?).
Thorax was an chest armor(we still call the middle chest bone as thorax in greek), as well as big hand shields where called thorax, if i am not mistaken whatever has to do with protection(the thorax protects the lungs) in greek thorax is the word for it, in other word tanked as hell
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