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Daedalus Imperator
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Posted - 2006.03.09 21:59:00 -
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Ok...so i've just got a raven. I'm still pretty new yet. I really like being a tank more than an electronic warfare person etc. and the only pvp that i'm going to be used for is defensive if someone attacks me. I like ratting in 0.0 taking on battleships and the like.
Anyways, my setup currently is....
6 torp launchers
1 mwd
1 Large shield booster
3 Shield hardeners (all types except explosive)
1 Open slot...shield extender, target painter, or webifier not sure.
2 WCS
3 Power Diagnostic System
Ok, so...this is how I see it: I want to be able to take a ton of damage, so I don't know whether to use hardeners or extenders. I figure hardeners, and then i could put an extender in the open slot. But at the same time, if someone in an interceptor etc. warps in on me, I want to slow him down, or use a target painter.
In my two extra hi-slots I don't want to use NoS simply because i'd have to use heavy NoS to really make a difference and there's no chance i can fit that unless i drop a launcher, or use most of my low power slots to upgrade my power grid.
So what I was thinking was an energy destabalizer. Most likely a medium one since I can't fit a large one. The reason i want this is because if said interceptors or frigates attack me, a destabalizer will kick its power supplies ass, so if they are armor or shield tanking, i can actually bust through their defenses.
Anyways...is this a retarded setup? I plan to just use this ship for ratting for the most part, but I want to be able to defend myself PvP easily.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:00:00 -
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wcs is bad
mmkay ?
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Daedalus Imperator
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:02:00 -
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If you simply mean that the are over-powered and that pirates don't like them, then i'm not going to be taking them off. The only times i've been killed were by ganks of over 10 people.
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Daedalus Imperator
If you simply mean that the are over-powered and that pirates don't like them, then i'm not going to be taking them off. The only times i've been killed were by ganks of over 10 people.
dont know what is your pvp stile but with wcs u will sucks against all others bs
and cool guys dont use wcs
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:06:00 -
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sry read wrong your post
better just look in local and if u see someone there go to ss
and better use 3 more bcu or pdu
wcs 4 tl
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Outa Rileau
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Posted - 2006.03.09 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Outa Rileau on 09/03/2006 22:30:29
6 torps launchers
Xlarge shield booster
3 Hardeners, depending on rats
Shield boost amp
cap recharger
3 PDU II's
2 BCU II's
Great RoF, great tank. If you have high enough resist you could fit another shield boost amp instead of the third hardener.
and using WCS is fckn your own ship up in a baaaaaaaad way <.<
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: Grey Area on 09/03/2006 23:03:57
Ignore the WCS bashers.
Scenario...you come across a lone cruiser in your Raven...you start to fight, and he's going down quick, but he's alerted his mates, who are on their way in.
WITHOUT WCS: Run away now, you are going to get whupped.
WITH WCS...stay just long enough to finish off the cruiser, and THEN warp out, using the WCS to resist any initial scramble attempts.
WCS are as valid a choice of module as any other. The anti-WCS team, having failed to come up with their magic "balances fleet battles but doesn't give gategankers god mode" nerf are now resorting to the argument of "Ewwww! You fit WCS? What a big girl's blouse!".
Well, they have me convinced. Not.
Edit...dragging it back on topic...try cruise instead of Torps? Far more devastating against smaller targets, and you can carry spare FoFs in case of jamming...there are no FoF Torps...
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inSpirAcy
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:05:00 -
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Gimping your offensive output for an avoidable (see local + safe spot) situation is daft, in my opinion.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:10:00 -
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I like to tank so I'll drop tanking mods in favour of wcs.
You cant tank as well if you fit them. End of story.
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Zembla
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:17:00 -
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Ignore the WCS users.
WCS gimp your combat setups. They're there for when you're traveling, apart from that they take up slot spaces you can really put to good use when ratting.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.09 23:50:00 -
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Hmmm... my honest opinion. If you want to use 2 WCS, might as well throw them away and do more on tanking, dmg mods.
If you really wish to use WCS, use a full rack of WCS.
HTH. 
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:03:00 -
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Try and avoid using a mwd with a shield tank as it gimps your cap. Ravens have no specific range they are most effective at so drop that. This may allow you to improve your highslot setup with nos, which are very useful when running away from pie-rats.
Moving on to the other slots, i would fit one em, one therm and 1/2 invulnerability hardners if you are going for an active tank. The t2 ones boost 30% and are very nice. Might even be worth fitting 3 t2 Invulnerability Fields, i haven't run the numbers recently.
If you have some spare mids now then either a shield boost amp, some ecm, or a cap mod would be useful.
sgb
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Brother Tycho
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:10:00 -
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this is my tanking setup
6 arby seige 2 dim hvy nos
1 C5-XL booster 3 Hardners 1 unvuln and a Boost amp
lows i use a rack of diag 2s
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Brother Tycho
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Brother Tycho on 10/03/2006 00:12:46
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Hmmm... my honest opinion. If you want to use 2 WCS, might as well throw them away and do more on tanking, dmg mods.
If you really wish to use WCS, use a full rack of WCS.
HTH.
beyond 2-3 WCS you gimp to hell
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Tycho
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Hmmm... my honest opinion. If you want to use 2 WCS, might as well throw them away and do more on tanking, dmg mods.
If you really wish to use WCS, use a full rack of WCS.
HTH.
beyond 2-3 WCS you gain no dmg boost
I think what you meant to say was beyond 2-3 damage mods you get no boost. It's 3-4 where the nerf begins to hurt, but don't forget all the other useful mods you can put in lows, especially on a raven.
sgb
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Tido Maliyu
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Posted - 2006.03.10 00:15:00 -
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Align and look at your overview... drop the WCS and be invincible <.<
Some people just dont get it...
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:20:00 -
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And this thread has gone right off topic, take the WCS arguement to it's dedicated threads. And give this guy some raven set-ups.
(thanks to people who actually contributed)
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CmdrRat
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Posted - 2006.03.10 01:40:00 -
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You ever play that game as a kid where one guy puts his hands on top of hte others and the second guy trys to slap them? Well fitting warp stabs is like undocking and flenching. yes you might get away but your most likly not going to win.
Fit to fight or fit to run away, don't try to do both because you won't be 100% at one if your thinking about the other.
Drop the extenders as hardners will do you better in the long run, For PvP 2 EM, one Thermal. For PVE fit to the rat type.
Drop the MWD, it kills your cap and Cap is life if you want to tank, if you have to fit a AB but I'd make instas for your mission or belts.
Cap recharge mod in that other med slot, NPCing use a cap recharger, PvPing use an injector.
The Raven is uber, it's just about the only ship that can tank like a monster and deal large amounts of dmg.
Have fun.
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AcheLone
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Posted - 2006.03.10 02:22:00 -
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well mine is
Hi Slot
6 x named cruise
2 x NOS
Med Slot
4 Tech2 Shield Hardener (1 EM, 1 Kinetic, 1 Thermal, 1 Inv)
1 Named Sensor Booster
1 XL-Shield Booster
Low Slot
2 Named WCS
1 Tech2 BCU
2 Tech2 PDU
Notes: Its kinda ok but will not last against 3 1.3Mil BS Angel. For pvp it will not defeat a fully armour tank bs. Its good as support fire. The WCS aid me several time in unsuspecting gank squad with 1 tackler. More than one, NOS the inty maybe shoot some cruise at it and drones to make it flee but this will not help much if the firepower of the opponent are too good. If u not want the WCS, change the WCS, replace it with more PDU or BCU as required. Train for cruise specialization so the ravenpilot got access to precision cruise. it rocks!!!.. use it until it change again!!!
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golden dreamer
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Posted - 2006.03.10 02:24:00 -
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6x siege launcher ll
1x XL booster ll
3x invul field ll
2x shield boost amps
1x co-processor ll
4x BCU ll
and a drone bay full of ECM drones
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.10 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Brother Tycho
Edited by: Brother Tycho on 10/03/2006 00:12:46
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Hmmm... my honest opinion. If you want to use 2 WCS, might as well throw them away and do more on tanking, dmg mods.
If you really wish to use WCS, use a full rack of WCS.
HTH.
beyond 2-3 WCS you gimp to hell
But using 2-3 WCS is pointless on a BS. 
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Zhon
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Posted - 2006.03.10 10:37:00 -
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H: x6 Cruise Launchers II/ x2 Diminishing Heavy Nos
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M: X1 Large Shield Booster II/ X3-4 Hardners (Rat Dependant)/ x1 Sensor booster II / x1 Large Shield Ext. II ( Depends on if using 3-4 Hardners)
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L: x3 Ballistic Control II / x2 WCS or X1 Power Diag II / Med. Armor Repair
Never lost a raven yet and doubles for pvp. I have almost max missle skills and BS 5. This setup is the pwn.
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Sarafi
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Posted - 2006.03.10 10:53:00 -
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Highs: 6 torp launchers. (guns/nos/sb/whatever you wanna fit after everything else)
Mids: 3xLarge shield extender II's, 2x rat specifec hardeners (1x to do whatever with, target painter/shield booster if you wanna keep up with triple bs spawns/more hardeners,etc.)
Lows: 2/3 BCS, 2/3 shield power relays.
Ive been using roughly this to great effect against serps, F1-F6 and im done
Comments welcome.
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2006.03.10 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: smallgreenblur
Ravens have no specific range they are most effective at so drop that.
Strongly disagree. Taking into account factors such as flight time, defenders and (if you want to fit one) a warp scrambler, the Raven is FAR more of a threat at close range than at long.
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zhon
H: x6 Cruise Launchers II/ x2 Diminishing Heavy Nos
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M: X1 Large Shield Booster II/ X3-4 Hardners (Rat Dependant)/ x1 Sensor booster II / x1 Large Shield Ext. II ( Depends on if using 3-4 Hardners)
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L: x3 Ballistic Control II / x2 WCS or X1 Power Diag II / Med. Armor Repair
Never lost a raven yet and doubles for pvp. I have almost max missle skills and BS 5. This setup is the pwn.
I checked my hangar and all my Ravens are still there. It just LOOKS like you stole my ship 
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Yaro
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:08:00 -
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6 t2 sieges (if u can, fit some noses)
large t2 shield booster, amp, 4 hardeners
3 t2 BCU, 2 WCS
yes...wcs...those modules saved me many times...
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:19:00 -
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6X Arbalest Siege-Launchers (loaded with a mix of bane¦s and mjolnir¦s); 2X Heavy-NOS
5X Multispectrum-Jammers; 1X WarpDisruptor
2X T2-RCU; 1X T1-RCU; 1X 1600mm plate; 1X Large-Accom
3X Webber-Drone
.....any questions? 
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Yaro
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:31:00 -
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This is a good pvp setup....but he asked about npc one...
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.10 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Yaro
This is a good pvp setup....but he asked about npc one...
oh....sry then......
oh yea.....go for yaros¦s setup then.......it seems pretty nice 
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Daedalus Imperator
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Posted - 2006.03.13 21:04:00 -
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Wow, thanks so much guys for the ideas.
I think i'm going to ditch my extenders and go with more hardeners. I plan to ditch my webber for a target painter because it will be more effective against cruisers while ratting.
As to stabs, i know this isn't a stab thread, but here's my two cents.
I currently run with 4 wcs while I rat. The reason for this is that I can take out 2 BS's without any problems...the BCU's would be very nice, but my reason for wcs is this:
Last night me and a friend docked because a pirate came into the system. After a little while I undocked and he was right there, 50m from me...we both kinda just waited. He was in a cruiser (forgot what type, i think a gallente type) and I figured I could take him. He launchers drones and targets and I start running away but he webs me. We fight for a bit and he starts armor tanking me. I was doing well, only down to half shield when he was down to half armor when I ran out of energy. My shields started dropping fast so I played it safe and warped out. My friend was taking a **** so he didn't come out to help.
Now...when I think about it, I could possibly have docked, equipped the wcs and peeked out to see what was happening. As soon as he leaves, go back and fit my bcu's on...I think thats what I plan to do. But as it stands, even one pirate in system who decides to stay around can make you waste a ton of time worrying about getting caught somewhere in the open.
The flipside of this is that if I had bcu's I would have kicked the cruisers ass no problem, so I think its completely dependent on situations.
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