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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.20 19:56:00 -
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I don't usually give myself shameless plugs via forum posts, but this is important. Stacking penalty is a big factor in how ship fits work, but it is not well documented (at all, if I remember correctly) in the tutorials. It is also oft-overlooked when giving advice to newbies, since many older players simply acknowledge it subconsciously. This results in a lot of newbies going around in ships fit with so many modules of the same type that effectively only half of their fit ever does anything.
So, read up: http://www.thewholefrigate.com/2013/12/question-from-newbie-what-is-stacking.html
TL;DR: Many/most %-based effects (both module modifiers and buffs, and remote debuffs such as webs or target painters) suffer stacking penalty when multiple instances of the same effect are applied. Past the third effect of the same type, the penalty is so severe that it is almost never worth the effort to continue applying more of the same effect. Check the blog for more examples of why/how this works.
What you can do about it: Think smartly about what your fitting objective is and how you can achieve it without conflicting bonuses. For example, If you're trying to get your lasers to do more damage, don't use just heat sinks. Mix in some tracking enhancers. If you want maximum speed and agility, don't fit 6 nanos; fit 3 overdrive injectors and 3 inertia stabilizers.
TL;DR of this post: Every time you fit more than 3 of a type of effect, a kitten and puppy die. Don't do it. Think of the cute little animals, and remember stacking penalty.
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Pontianak Sythaeryn
Bottle Distribution Ops Center
Heimatar Alliance Treaty Organization
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:20:00 -
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Wasn't aware of this. Thanks for the tip. :) |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:36:00 -
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Bookmarked for future linking.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:52:00 -
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After actually reading it all.
Maybe add a small note.
2 modules with same scripts (like sensor dampeners with resolution scripts) have a stacking penalty.
2 modukes with different scripts (as above but now one has resolution scrips and other with range script) do not suffer from the penalty listed in the description because of the scripts move the properties to different stats.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.20 21:55:00 -
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Well, that's why I tried to refer to "effects" rather than modules, and why I gave the EANM+hardener example. If others think the different scripts point is necessary, I will add it.
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Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:05:00 -
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One could read about the stacking penalty if one would bother to read what the module actually does.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.21 03:56:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote:One could read about the stacking penalty if one would bother to read what the module actually does.
Details about the whys and hows are scant and it is not obvious to most people to go looking for them. I know it was not for me when I was new.
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Jim Roebuck
StarFleet Enterprises
Almost Awesome.
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:06:00 -
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While I already knew this, it's nice to see it explained out.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.22 02:27:00 -
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Definitely some good info that's usually overlooked.
+1 to the OP.
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Nancy Crow
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.12.23 03:50:00 -
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Very good advice OP! Just as an aside, there are some exceptions to stacking penalties you can keep in mind as well.
Most modules with flat value bonus do not stack. Think of armor plates and shield extenders that are flat buffer increases, as well as drone link augmenters. Another fun exception is the reactive armor hardener, which dies not stack with standard armor membranes/hardeners, but instead only with the armor bonuses from a damage control.
Drone scope chips also do not stack with omnidirectional tracking links (thou EFT seems to think otherwise). |
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