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Thellorms Nor'Fein
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Posted - 2013.12.21 00:40:00 -
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Before I get started, I already searched the forums and Google for something like this and came up empty handed. I may have been searching for the wrong parameters however. =/
So, I've had enough time in game that I've pretty much been training across all racial ships and their equipment. I like to play with all of them and occasionally I'll go to another empire for a change of scenery. I've done a lot of work over the years to keep standings between the 4 major factions in top shape. The one thing I have neglected however is my jump clones...
So, what I'm looking to do is build a couple of general or all purpose clones. I'd like to use +4 to +5 skill implants while roaming empire space, for efficiencies sake (this helps a lot being a student and having to be away from the game for long periods of time). What I need help with is skill implants. If anyone out there reading this has done (or has) such a thing, I want to hear from you!
I want to build a couple clones that use implants that benefit the character no matter the ship being flown or the weaponry being used. I've been staring at the list of different implants for days now, and while I have some ideas... well, lets just say I have decision making issues. lol. If I could get some helpful and intelligent input, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks guys. o7
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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:56:00 -
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Eve is for the long haul, I got 3 characters trained on one account, took me 3.5 years, one is indy toon, the other is pvp, other stays
in WH all the time, and occasionally scans an entry point. It takes years to figure out what direction you want a toon to go, so
don't worry about it now, just train something.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.21 04:59:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Eve is for the long haul, I got 3 characters trained on one account, took me 3.5 years, one is indy toon, the other is pvp, other stays
in WH all the time, and occasionally scans an entry point. It takes years to figure out what direction you want a toon to go, so
don't worry about it now, just train something.
Advice about training in a thread asking for advice on implants.
OP: While there are no implants that benefit both missiles and turrets, there are implants which benefit all of either. There are also no implants whatsoever for drones.
If you want to improve damage, I would recommend going for the rate of fire implants as these have a greater impact on DPS for similar percentages.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2013.12.21 05:11:00 -
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JCs are for making specialist clones and allowing you to travel to the location where you will use that specialist clone
ie I think that fundamentally whatever it is you want to do smacks of doing your analysis backwards.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.21 05:15:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:JCs are for making specialist clones and allowing you to travel to the location where you will use that specialist clone
ie I think that fundamentally whatever it is you want to do smacks of doing your analysis backwards.
Pretty much. This is like asking for a Tengu fit that can do everything. Sure you'll be able to do everything, but nothing very well.
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GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.12.21 05:29:00 -
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all you really need is one training clone, the rest should be clones for Sets, or clones for individual fit boosts.
and in most cases its hard to justify the set clones, unless you really need the clone. for example a HGcrystal clone to use doing lvl4s in a tengu is a horrible waste of money. in the other hand having a nomad set on a JF alt is a good investment. and if you have a capital pilot, slaves are a must.
personally i keep one for hsec with +4s and a few +3%, and one with a Genolution set. (never used it)
my combat character has a few more clones, mainly empty on the first 6 slots, and using only 3% implants for fitting. (some with CPU, some with PG. for sets i have a HG Halo, and 2 LG halos. because otherwise i get yelled at.
nothing else is worth the isk... some solo warriors will tell you otherwise, but then again, they aren't really solo warriors... they have a falcon alt, OGBs, etc, etc.
maybe the scanning set could be worth it, personally i find the +5% implants to slightly cheaper. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2013.12.21 05:34:00 -
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Thellorms Nor'Fein wrote:
I want to build a couple clones that use implants that benefit the character no matter the ship being flown or the weaponry being used.
That would be support implants then.
The only real decision you need to make is whether the clone you are fitting is going to be used primarily for PVP or PVE. In the one case you'll want capacitor/defense implants and the other you'll want fitting/damage implants.
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Thellorms Nor'Fein
Federal Bounty Services
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Posted - 2013.12.21 05:49:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Thellorms Nor'Fein wrote:
I want to build a couple clones that use implants that benefit the character no matter the ship being flown or the weaponry being used.
That would be support implants then. The only real decision you need to make is whether the clone you are fitting is going to be used primarily for PVP or PVE. In the one case you'll want capacitor/defense implants and the other you'll want fitting/damage implants. Mr Epeen
Thank you! Out of a thread of "You shouldn't do that" posts, this is what I'm actually looking for. Being that it'll be in empire space, it'll definately be PvE. Mainly used to run around the different factions doing missions to make a little isk while I can (yeah, I know its not the MOST efficient way, but I'm a student like I said and need something I can walk away from here and there) as well as other activities (deadspace, exploration, trading, etc.)
Support implants are what I'm looking for. I would LOVE to keep some combat focus (rate of fire is great as long as its all weapon types) but what cant be done there could be things like engineering or something. So yeah, I'll mostly be doing content involving some form of combat, but I don't want to restrict it to one race. And yes, while I know you can specialize clones, 1) I dont want to think about the jump clone cooldown timer and 2) I dont want to spend massive isk by buying certain implants multiple times (this is just for 1 to 2 clones tops).
Edit: Already got the skill implants, just need to get the rest.
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Thellorms Nor'Fein
Federal Bounty Services
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Posted - 2013.12.21 05:59:00 -
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Just using the +5s as an example, but these are all I could find. =/ And some of them of questionable usefulness. Unless someone here has some good ideas, I'm kind of starting to believe that it might not be too likely to get this done after all. But I sure don't know everything. :P
Slot 6
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Energy Systems Operation EO-605
Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Navigation NN-605
Slot 7
Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-705
Zainou 'Gypsy' Signature Analysis SA-705
Slot 8
Inherent Implants 'Squire' Energy Management EM-805
Zainou 'Gypsy' Long Range Targeting LT-805
Edit: Couldn't find ANYTHING for 9 or 10.
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Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
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Posted - 2013.12.21 06:34:00 -
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Factor into the costs for your general purpose hisec PvE clone that you can be podded even in hisec. I've always felt that the spendier the implants, the more likely to be podded. But then I'm friends with D400 who seems to have a nose for the expensive stuff.
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Thellorms Nor'Fein
Federal Bounty Services
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Posted - 2013.12.21 19:28:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Factor into the costs for your general purpose hisec PvE clone that you can be podded even in hisec. I've always felt that the spendier the implants, the more likely to be podded. But then I'm friends with D400 who seems to have a nose for the expensive stuff.
I don't really understand this at all. Even despite my asking questions here, no one can really know what's in my head, especially since I alternate between several clones as it is (and none of them particularly impressive). I'm not out to spend billions on a clone head, but even +2s are better than nothing at all. But yeah, this doesn't make any sense why more expensive clones would make you a more juicier target than normal when no one has a clue what you have plugged in in the first place. Though I can completely understand why you'd be more afraid than usual to lose them.
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Magna Mortem
the noise a cow makes while mating
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Posted - 2013.12.21 19:46:00 -
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Thellorms Nor'Fein wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Factor into the costs for your general purpose hisec PvE clone that you can be podded even in hisec. I've always felt that the spendier the implants, the more likely to be podded. But then I'm friends with D400 who seems to have a nose for the expensive stuff. I don't really understand this at all. Even despite my asking questions here, no one can really know what's in my head, especially since I alternate between several clones as it is (and none of them particularly impressive). I'm not out to spend billions on a clone head, but even +2s are better than nothing at all. But yeah, this doesn't make any sense why more expensive clones would make you a more juicier target than normal when no one has a clue what you have plugged in in the first place. Though I can completely understand why you'd be more afraid than usual to lose them. Because chances are higher that you will have expensive implants in your clone and it's always worth taking this chance. |
Thellorms Nor'Fein
Federal Bounty Services
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Posted - 2013.12.21 20:41:00 -
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Magna Mortem wrote:Thellorms Nor'Fein wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Factor into the costs for your general purpose hisec PvE clone that you can be podded even in hisec. I've always felt that the spendier the implants, the more likely to be podded. But then I'm friends with D400 who seems to have a nose for the expensive stuff. I don't really understand this at all. Even despite my asking questions here, no one can really know what's in my head, especially since I alternate between several clones as it is (and none of them particularly impressive). I'm not out to spend billions on a clone head, but even +2s are better than nothing at all. But yeah, this doesn't make any sense why more expensive clones would make you a more juicier target than normal when no one has a clue what you have plugged in in the first place. Though I can completely understand why you'd be more afraid than usual to lose them. Because chances are higher that you will have expensive implants in your clone and it's always worth taking this chance.
M'kay. Well let me approach this at a different angle. Since '06, I've NEVER been podded in empire space (no, that is NOT a challenge XD). But I understand how much more it would 'hurt' if I were to invest in higher grade implants. For this reason, I follow the same rule (EVE's #1 rule) with my clones that I do my ships. Never leave the station with something you can't afford to replace. In my opinion this includes being prepared to lose it as well.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.21 21:56:00 -
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"Don't fly what you can't afford to replace" only applies if you intend to replace it.
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Thellorms Nor'Fein
Federal Bounty Services
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Posted - 2013.12.22 00:38:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Don't fly what you can't afford to replace" only applies if you intend to replace it.
Well, it would certainly be balls if you lost it and THEN decided to miss it. XD
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