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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 04:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 04:47:48
Many players including myself are concerned about a possible exploit that is now being used by a large group of unnamed corps.
Most of you already know what I'm talking about and I won't elaborate on it any further.
Read this post linked here for further info on the exploit being used.
Need Some Clarification From CCP
So you might be asking what's the point of this post then. Well my point is that alot of people seemed to be confused about what exactly is an exploit. This is the point of my post.
In my personal opinion I believe the technique described in the linked post above is indeed an exploit and I will prove it here.
So what is an exploit?
I will let CCP tell you what an exploit is and you can decide for yourself.
Quoted from: Eve Support
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An exploit is when someone takes advantage of a bypass in normal game mechanics, allowing him to take advantage of you without you having any means of preventing it whatsoever. When this occurs, we implore you to contact your friendly neighbourhood GM/Support Team as soon as possible, to allow them to investigate the incident, prevent it from happening to anyone else, and possibly reimburse you for your loss.
Eve's support page further elaborates on exploits with this quote as well.
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Pray tell, what is an exploit then?
An exploit is when someone deliberately bypasses the normal game mechanics, by utilizing a bug, a weakness in the system or any other possible loophole in order to personally gain from it, and/or by intentionally use said means to take advantage of other players.
Hopefull this will clear up all the disinformation or confusion that is being spread on some of the posts concerning this topic.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 05:50:00 -
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I was hoping for better arguments than this, but I guess my point was well made.
Majin Buu, what in the world are you rambling about? What you said made no sense at all. Care to explain?
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 06:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 06:11:56
Who said anything about using drones to create lag for other players? Are you perhaps incriminating yourself Noctoz?
Besides, that's only a small part of the eqaution and there's a whole lot more to the story that that and you know it Noctoz.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 06:27:29
Jash I'm beginning to think that you do not have the intellectual focus or insight to fully understand this discussion.
Further more I'm a little offended by your false presumptions that I'm a "thread dodger" as you so eloquently describe me as.
Jash I have provided hard evidence from very credile sources to support my arguments.
HAVE YOU!? No you have not. You just choose to speak your mind and you have nothing to back your arguments. I rest my case!
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 06:31:00 -
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Well Vidar that's your opinion and your certainly entitled to it.
I would like to keep this a constructive argument as that was the original intention of this post contrary to what some might suggest.
I wasn't complaining, I was asking people to think critically! Perhaps that's too much for me to ask of you Vidar.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 07:36:00 -
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Well obviously that's what some people want is senseless flaming.
If you think about it it's an excellent diversionary tactic which gets everyone off the original topic. And unfortunately that is exactly what is happening.
I challenge the more intelligent reader of this thread to ignore the flamers and focus on the original post that started this thread.
These flamers are not stupid, oh no, they are cunning and decieving and this is the weapon of their choice when they have no evidence to stand on or back them up.
Beware the flamer. He will use diversionary tactics like these to throw you off track and you will lose the original message of this post.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 07:54:00 -
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Thankyou Jim Raynor for answering my post in a calm and mature manner. No sarcasm either, I really do mean it.
I only wish more of us could discuss topics on the Eve forums with a more mature attitude like yours.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 08:13:00 -
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Unless Jash, a player knew the exact spot where other players are guaranteed to be in a situation where their client will be loading for at least a few seconds while their are vunerable and defenseless to an attack.
For example, the area where pilot's jump into a system from a gate. Most everyone knows that there is a good chance you will jump into a system at the same spot almost everytime.
Then the potential exploiter knows for a fact that a particular spot in space is a prime target for easy kills due to this fact.
The rest is easy to figure out. The exploiter knows this and then capitalizes on the fact by creating more lag by launching several drones into the same area where the victims client will be loading all that information.
The fact that some players know about this and use it to get an unfair advantage in a battle is at least a despicable act and at best an exploit.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:39:00 -
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Leshiy, it has nothing to do with crying and everything to do with exploiting a weakness in the game mechanics.
Do your yourself a favor before you make yourself look like a fool and read the whole thread before making short senseless remarks.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 16:02:49
Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 11:58:00
Jim I undertand your frustration with the constant name calling and mud slinging that goes back and forth, but this effects all players.
I am not a member of any of the corps that were involved in this incident. Furthermore, I did not partake or recieve any action in this particular situation.
Therefore I have no bias and I make no accusations against any one group or persons.
I'm simply pointing to an exploit that can be used by anyone.
If this is not fixed it will make playing Eve very difficult for everyone.
Now that the cat is out of the bag so to speak, this exploit is sure to be abused by pirates and non-pirates alike and will undoubtly effect everyone in the Eve community.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 11:53:29
*deleted double post*
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:01:00 -
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Daesdemona if you have nothing constructive to say then why say anything at all?
Oh wait, is it because your possibly flaming to divert attention away from this blatant exploit?
Noooo, nobody does that now do they?*sarcasm on*
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 12:42:00
As far as I know Daesdemona, this has not been discussed before until today.
Daesdemona, I challenge you to post a link to a previous post before today that describes this same exact situation. I predict you will find none.
And Cao Cao, you can flame all you want.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 12:43:36
Da'Tol who are you talking to?
If it's me, then you don't know what your talking about and your making basely and false assumptions.
One,I have never used drones to knowningly lag out someone at a "Jump-In" point!
Two, I did not participate in any of the battles that were involved in this situation and nobody owned me because I wasn't even logged on! What a fool you are.
I'm just a concerned player that is bringing this to everyones attention so that we can work out a solution.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:09:00 -
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Grid Exploits mainly kill NPC's and not real players. Who gives a flip about NPC's?
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:26:00 -
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Come on guys, let's try and keep the conversation civilized shall we?
If you have a point to make, use some intelligence and wit and maybe your opponent will respect you more for it.
Calling them names and resorting to personal attacks is just childish.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 13:47:31
Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 13:33:49
CBall, I understand your frustration but your not helping the situation at all by making personal attacks on other players by threatening to petition to have them banned.
That was not the original intention of this post. All I wanted to do was bring some attention to this possible exploit and have it fixed, not get people banned.
Please, if you have nothing constructive to say then please refrain from commenting. Thankyou.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 15:29:18
Edited by: Jake Solnich on 08/09/2003 15:19:09
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We can continue to petition to have m0o deleted for repeated exploit usage.
Cball, I stand corrected and I apologize. You did threatened to petition for a ban against exploiters and not against personal attacks on the forum. Please accept my apologies.
It's kinda hard to see who saying what when there is so much flaming going on.
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Jake Solnich
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Posted - 2003.09.08 15:52:00 -
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Hey tekforce, does this sound familiar?
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i dont want this thread locked or deleted, so no flames please. But i know things have to change just in changes like this characters are left kinda stuck in a role.......
It should because you said it! Too bad you don't treat others like you expect to be treated. But then again you are a MoO pirate and they aren't really known for keeping good morals are they?
Like some people using this exploit for example now that I come to think of it.
There's an old saying:
"Becareful what you say, it might come back to haunt you".
Seems this is exactly what has happened to my good friend tekforce here.
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