I have no problem with unique gifts. Funny things, that CCP has thought out, either something neat or to give us a laugh, or to laugh at themselves (boots.ini, A Tank Of Honor) - it would be so interesting and fun to see CCP give these sort of things out! It would remind us that, hey, we're a member of this community, and these things would mark that we played EVE during this time. These things are fun!

But I don't think you realize the problem here. You're dismissing the importance of "Expanded Cargohold IIs and Prototype Cloaks". Someone - perhaps many people - spent hours of time investing in those. Mining, building, producing, selling. This is what makes EVE so interesting. Everything of significance is player made. But when CCP floods the market like this - they completely destroy everything those people have worked for if they produced these items. These people, who originally contributed to the market and availability of these items, have now lost a tremendous amount of time and ISK. In essence, what they have worked for has now become absolutely worthless (basic economics). This is what I mean when I say CCP has screwed over the industrial base that produced these items. I don't think I would be wrong at all in saying this.

Legitimacy of a market economy is absolutely essential to maintain proper function of that market economy.

Thanks, CCP, for screwing over your industrial base and the people that invested in blueprints and spent a countless amount of time in producing the stuff that you decided to give away, staring drunk at your computer screens.

Is the "industrial base" that hard up that the junk the Yule Lads have been handing out matters? Don't tell me, you had the Jita market cornered on Expanded Cargohold IIs and prototype cloaks. *strokes his Fedo*

*headdesk*

OP, you really need to chill out.

Not to seem ungrateful towards CCP, but the gifts are not very substantial. I got a shuttle one day, 200 arkonor another day, a few T1 drones the next. Not stuff I want or need. I think a couple of the more valuable gifts were worth a million isk or so. I'll probably melt down the rest and maybe get 500k for those minerals. Not worth getting worked up over methinks.

OP, you really need to chill out.

Not to seem ungrateful towards CCP, but the gifts are not very substantial. I got a shuttle one day, 200 arkonor another day, a few T1 drones the next. Not stuff I want or need. I think a couple of the more valuable gifts were worth a million isk or so. I'll probably melt down the rest and maybe get 500k for those minerals. Not worth getting worked up over methinks.

Selfish rant with no holiday spirit.

destroying whole industries with this crap

these gifts don't contribute much to the game

Does CCP realize that they're destroying whole industries with this crap they're giving away? Does the thought even manage to pass through their head?

CCP, these gifts don't contribute much to the game.

*tears*

Does CCP realize that they're destroying whole industries with this crap they're giving away? Does the thought even manage to pass through their head?

Thanks, CCP, for screwing over your industrial base and the people that invested in blueprints and spent a countless amount of time in producing the stuff that you decided to give away, staring drunk at your computer screens.

In essence, what they have worked for has now become absolutely worthless (basic economics). This is what I mean when I say CCP has screwed over the industrial base that produced these items. I don't think I would be wrong at all in saying this.


Gee... I hope I can make people think that Expanded Cargo II are saturated and selling at ridiculously low price right now so that they buy tons of them in misguided speculation.

Good job I put a million of them up in Jita...

Buy my stuff!

I appreciate your infinitely enlightening, constructive, productive counterargument/explanation/solution to the situation I described.

Here's another thing.
How many of these items were given out? What does that compare to the volume currently on market, the volume sitting in inventories, and the rate of production across New Eden?
I'm willing to bet that the number is actually relatively small compared to these metrics. Keep in mind that these items are given only to active accounts where the player bothered signing into the site and redeeming the items in the first place. Not only that, but not everyone even gets the same items.

Does CCP realize that they're destroying whole industries with this crap they're giving away? Does the thought even manage to pass through their head?

Thanks, CCP, for screwing over your industrial base and the people that invested in blueprints and spent a countless amount of time in producing the stuff that you decided to give away, staring drunk at your computer screens.

The nice things about previous giveaway events is that you gave away stuff that couldn't necessarily be produced. Snowballs that melt, launchers that are only given away once and can not be produced, Genolution implants, stuff like that. But this year you thought it would be a fun idea to flood the market with random stuff and screw over people who actually spent their time producing it.

What happened to the player-made EVE we knew so well?

EDIT: In other words...



CCP, these gifts don't contribute much to the game. Why not give us something meaningful? Something unique - that would make us remember the eventful things in EVE over the past year? Something that reminds us that we are part of a massive community, a unique community, something that reflects over the year?

CCP, these gifts don't contribute much to the game. Why not give us something meaningful? Something unique - that would make us remember the eventful things in EVE over the past year? Something that reminds us that we are part of a massive community, a unique community, something that reflects over the year?

I was looking forward to the flood of these on the market at possibly ultra low prices. Buy up as much as I can and hold onto 'em for when the market reboots. Or buy 'em extremely cheap and melt them down for a profit on minerals or to use for my own building projects.

Unfortunately I haven't really seen this huge drop to make it happen... so CCP helped me a tad by giving me a small load of ore!

Glass half full man.....glass half full.

But this year you thought it would be a fun idea to flood the market with random stuff and screw over people who actually spent their time producing it.

Gifts should always be a random roll on the entire loot table. Would prevent any industry from tanking and create a massive amount of excitement due to the occasional person getting a titan or some other thing...

FYI - Ishi scorps dont refine into anything

What happened to the player-made EVE we knew so well?

This is what I mean by the "Ritalin-fueled Min/Max" player. They have their ISK maximized to the 00001th fraction and so fragile (and obsessed) that ONE THING that CCP does that changes it to .0001 less ISK and they scream. The PVPer version of this kind of player does the same thing over KB stats.

This kind of player is not playing the game, they are like this in every aspect of their lives and this game is just another facet.

So, is this a good/bad/neutral thing? Not sure from reading your replay

All will be forgiven when I receive exotic dancers tomorrow.

Yule gifts are a tad 'meh' tbh, only way to rescue this 'promotion' would be if the Christmas Eve gift is a Titan....

an attack on one aspect of gameplay should be denounced by all players. Or your style of gameplay could be next.