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Tenzo
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:17:00 -
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Having just read a post about this sort of thing which developed into a flame war i thought i would bring it to the correct forum ( not general discussion)
The idea of people mining in their Battleships does seem a little strange as , after all, BS are intended to fight and not mine..However given the current situation they are the obvious ship to choose 
My suggestion, and im sure it probably been said before, is that CCP have three choices :
1) They can bring in a new type of turret slot for mining beams. This would allow CCP to customize ships to be mroe dedicated miners.. eg. The Vexor could become a good deep space mining ship... it has the ability to defend itself in a good way, has good drone space but could mount 6-7 mining beams using the 'new' type of high slot. They then could make it so BS cant use many or no mining beams and leave them to be the Dedicated Fighting ship they should be. It would allow CCP to give us a more defined role for the ships they make. I do find it strange how the best combat ships in the game are also the best mining ships 
2) Incorporate solution one in this idea and have CCP make a new vein of ships.. much the same as harvesters for ore in other games...These ships are dedicated mining ships with good cargo space and lots of mining laser slots also. They could have ones that are high level with good defenses for deeper space mining but i would imagine that none of them could attack... therefore the roles of combat cruisors/BS would come into play and they can be assigned to the support roles they should use.
3) Of course they could just take no notice... Many peope are fine with the way things are. Personally i have no problems with mining in a BS. It is the best way to get ore as they have the ability to do it faster than any other ships. The only gripe i have is at a personal level.. In any other game you play, take Homeworld1/2, you have dedicated fighting ships and dedicated mining ships... it makes more sense. You dont see tanks in RL excavating Quarrrys do you? 
All in all it is just an idea... one perhaps i will post in EVE idea lab also...but please let me know what you think. 
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Abn Matar
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:39:00 -
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these 'harvesters' your talking about, thats the Titans, yes... |
Jemba'k Ko'cha
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Posted - 2003.09.08 12:41:00 -
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making specific mining ships would be a good idea imo. like Battleships or Titans just totaly geared toward mining. thick armour good shields but NO offensive capabilities. this would mean that yes you can go to deeper space in your Titan and mine with your huge cargobay but you cant hunt pirates and fill up with loot.
basicaly make ships like badgers but add more low slots for Cargo expansion and more hi slots for mining lasers.
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Tenzo
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Posted - 2003.09.08 13:46:00 -
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Abn... do u honestly think that everyone is going to be able to get a Titan???
I am talking about something a little more accessible for all....
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Samis
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:07:00 -
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I agree wholeheartedly. I think that it is too easy for people to buy a single ship and use it for multiple purposes. I myself am a culprit. As things stand you can change from fighting to mining at the drop of a dime. Besides it would make for more interesting caravans n'such. Mining ships would definately add a richness to the game on top of what is already there.
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Supersonix
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:31:00 -
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Make a petition about it or something because the DEVs don't seem to be looking in the forums.
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Saint Viper
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Posted - 2003.09.08 14:59:00 -
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Top idea, Mining only ships/convoys would need a good fighter to stand guard while they ply there trade.
A miner should be just that - a miner
A Fighter should be just that - a fighter
IMO you should not see a battleship mining, or possibly even a cruiser.
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Ramman
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:08:00 -
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Disagree! Interchangable ship platform is a major plus of EVE! Remember when you started in EVE and didn't have pot to **** in??? I understand the need for more advanced content, but don't punish the noobs for it, ok?
Ramman out... 
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.09.08 17:24:00 -
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Top idea, Mining only ships/convoys would need a good fighter to stand guard while they ply there trade.
A miner should be just that - a miner
A Fighter should be just that - a fighter
IMO you should not see a battleship mining, or possibly even a cruiser.
really?where or when are you from? 19th? only that old military mind would insist single role for a equipment.......
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Tenzo
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Posted - 2003.09.08 19:02:00 -
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well u miss my point Rammam....and maybe i didnt make it clear.
n00b ships should be more all round.. like frigates...eg. people dony buy an Imicus cos they wanna fight.. they do it to mine in...same as the Bestower...they wanna mine so why not aloow them to do it with a proper mining ship? If peeps wanna fight they can go out and buy a Punisher or something..
I agree that ships should be interchangeable to a degree but my point is :
The Best mining ships should not be the Best Combat ships or vice versa...and that unfortunately is the case atm
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Benco97
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Posted - 2003.09.09 01:46:00 -
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I agree, As you all probably know, (I'm here quite often) I love the industrial class ships. I was so happy when I got my first Iteron even thought it only has one turret bay.
Now I am only 35 days away from Iteron mkV and I still don't care that I only have 1 turret. They certainly stuck to the plan when they made indys because you can't fight in them and they don't mine fast, They are for hauling. THEY ARE HAULING SHIPS, Now just give us the fighters and the miners.
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Elad Amarr
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Posted - 2003.09.11 18:58:00 -
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I completly agree. It would be nice to have a new class of ships that would be nothing but mining ships. It would give more depth to the game. As for Titans...I'm not sure how many of those are actually going to be in the game. God knows that I won't be flying one...
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Claren
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Posted - 2003.09.11 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Claren on 11/09/2003 20:13:14
I don't understand why some people are upset about others useing battleships for mining and scream for rules against it. Whats wrong with you?
I can not see why it is anyones business to tell how others should use their ships.
If someone think it is worth the money to spend 50 miljons to gain 2 more mining lasers, well, let him. Who cares. Why should anyone care?
However I would also welcome more specialized ships.
PS/ Those screaming for rulechanges was in another thread. /DS
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Jadran
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Posted - 2003.09.11 22:31:00 -
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Claren .. you're missing the point. we aren't upset about people mining in battleships .. we'd just like to see a line of dedicated mining ships; and i agree that having them in the game would add a lot, especially if they were to tie flying them into a skill and do an entire line for each race.
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Lucio
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Posted - 2003.09.12 02:14:00 -
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I'd certainly like to see a 3rd rating on ship profiles that dictates how many mining lasers you can fit into your high slots, much like the turret and missile slots work now. For most ships though, this should be the same as their turret slots, with Industrials and ships that are supposed to be good miners (like certain types of Frigate) having an extra one or two.
I also wouldn't be adverse to seeing a new class of dedicated mining vessel, but only if the above suggestion was implimented so they couldn't be turned into superior combat vessels.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.12 02:44:00 -
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If a person wants to waste 90m isk worth of ship mining...let him. One less bship to face in a fight.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
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Dragon Emperor
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Posted - 2003.09.12 06:00:00 -
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the best thing of eve is you can fit your ship whatever you want. if you want some class like thing, please go play other games. thanks.
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Nelia Hawk
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Posted - 2003.09.12 11:47:00 -
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the only REAL mining ship in EVE is the:
Minmatarr BURST Class Frigate 
because its the only ship in EVE that have the bonus of +5% to mining yield (amount) per frig lvl
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2003.09.12 12:50:00 -
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Quote:
the only REAL mining ship in EVE is the:
Minmatarr BURST Class Frigate
because its the only ship in EVE that have the bonus of +5% to mining yield (amount) per frig lvl
The Gallante Navitas frigate also has that...
Anyway one thing against specialised mining ships is that when you see a BS you don`t know what it has equipped... (is it equiped for mining or will it kick your ass...?...ooh I got the chills!).
On the other hand introducing specialised mining ships should make ESSENTIAL for a mining ship AND an escort ship to work together. So no weapon turrets OR fighting drones for mining ships IMHO... or super shields etc for that matter.
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.09.12 12:56:00 -
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The thing that annoys me is that people who already have been mining with battleships with 7-8 lasers AND been able to npc farm. My point is, for us poorer characters who haven't made it to a battleship yet, how is it fair that we have to buy two ships now if we want the same productive capability. Now, not only have we fallen behind since battleships are more productive than cruisers and your incomes are growing exponentially faster, now when us poor people get battleships, it won't be anywhere near as productive as it once was. To make matters worth, we have to pay the price for 2 battleships, so we fall even more hopelessly behind.
Or maybe i'm just paranoid.
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Juan Andalusian
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Posted - 2003.09.12 13:33:00 -
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Battleship this Battleship that....
To Jash, Dragon and others:
These discussions don't start because people who can't afford BS are jealous of you or someone else mining in one.
The problem is that Battleship uberness in every field (apart from hauling) kills diversity. Ship categories should not be a linear ladder. Go up a level but never come down.
Just like i would like to see PvP invole more cruisers and frigates ALONG with Battleships(not only because they are cheap and affordable losses), these people would like to have some diversity in mining.
The long run shouldn't be "Everyone in a BS". The long run should be complete fleets.
Regarding combat some changes like SignatureRadius, Agility and Orbit seem to be pushing towards what i've been talking about.
Concerning Mining nothing official yet. Don't know how deep core mining will be handled.
But right now almost everyone (even the Devs sometimes) seems to be concerned with BSs.... Go into any thread concerning modules, anchored items and other things coming or being changed and 90% of the discussion is about how they affect battleships.
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vf142rex
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Posted - 2003.09.12 20:01:00 -
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"But right now almost everyone (even the Devs sometimes) seems to be concerned with BSs.... Go into any thread concerning modules, anchored items and other things coming or being changed and 90% of the discussion is about how they affect battleships.
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Thats because battleships aren't balanced. I am guessing that frigates started off balanced. When a lot of people started moving to cruisers, everybody was talking about medium module balance and cruiser balance. Devs seem to be balancing things as the game progresses.
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Troezar
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Posted - 2003.09.13 07:50:00 -
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Ok guys there is a very simple answer to this which, should, please everyone ("impossible" I hear you say!). A new class of mining ships is introduced, role play as withdrawn until now due to safety record or something. All other ships can still use miners as before, however the new class has 2 skills reqd e.g. Minmatar Deep Space Mining ship lvl 1-5 (Rank8) and Elite MDSM ship lvl 1-5 (Rank 9).(Got to be a penalty for all the isk!!) Allow them to use more lasers and mining drones (not combats) than any other ship. Give them planty of cpu, very heavy armour and average shields. Allow only the fitting of mining lasers. So in other words this will be easliy teh best miner so all your miners will want it and stop using the b'ships for it, the other b'ship owners will still be happy co they can still mine when they want. As it has no defences it will need an escort so work there for fighters and because it will mine really fast people will want to use them. Oh and I would also suggest that they are quite expensive too. Any flaws in my ideas?
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