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Corp Mule
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Posted - 2006.03.11 16:49:00 -
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If I am taking all advanced to lvl 4....roughly how long would it take to break even for putting all that time in for training learning from 4-5..i mean is that 2% really that much ?
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.03.11 16:51:00 -
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I think somebody worked it out as over a year. Personally i did it anyway, since i had nothing better to train. Besides they might bring out 3rd tier learning skills sometime :)
sgb
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smallgreenblur
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Posted - 2006.03.11 16:52:00 -
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Sorry do you mean to 4 or to 5? Don't bother to 5 unless you're got a long life expectancy :)
sgb
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Corp Mule
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Posted - 2006.03.11 16:55:00 -
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yes the LEARNING skill.. from lvl 4-5.. would take a week
was wondering if that 2% is worth much....I will be here a year from now , but was just wondering if i should just get it out of the way now, or just ignore it....soo strapped for skills
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Micklaine
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Posted - 2006.03.11 16:56:00 -
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The basic skill Learning is great to take to 5. It pays off in less than six months for me (I actually set a number of goals in a spreadsheet, then figured out how much time Learning 5 spent to learn minus the time saved).
Now the advanced learning skills to 5? That takes a looooooong time to pay off. Most people who get them don't get them because they save them time in the short run, but because they are skill perfectionists (which is not a bad thing in my opinion, just another way of playing the game).
-Mick
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2006.03.11 16:58:00 -
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Training the "Learning" skill from level 4 to level 5 will pay off in 140 days for a player with an average set of attributes.
See this post for more detailed information. (Sticky at top of Skills forum.)
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Antares Lee
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Posted - 2006.03.11 20:58:00 -
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Hhmm, if it really is a 2% decrease in learning time for each skill per level (not sure about it, but that's how I understood the linked post), you would save one day for every 50 days when you have it at lvl 5 as opposed to lvl 4. So for me it would pay off in roughly 300 days (learning lvl 4 to 5 takes about 6 days for me). If this is right I won't train it anytime soon...
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BlackMoon Thrawn
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Posted - 2006.03.11 21:51:00 -
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The thing is the way it improves your learning speed is by increasing you rattributes. That said the higher you are going to take your other learning skills the more effective "learning" will be. For example if you train perception to 10 and have learning to level 5 you will have 11 perception. Also the game rounds your attribute figures inthe character sheet but uses the true figures for sp accumulation. So if you are planing on taking your advanced learnings to level 4 and using implants you will payoff that level 5 train time alot quicker than someone who is just taking the rank one skills to 4 or something
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Antares Lee
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Posted - 2006.03.11 23:12:00 -
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Yes, but the same increase in high attributes saves you less training time than in low attributes and this effect evens out with the higher gain in high attributes through a higher Learning skill. If the formulas posted by Tripoli are correct, you'll end up at about 2% decrease in training time when going from Learning 4 to 5 no matter if your attributes are 10 or 30. Slightly less even, it's (1/1.10)/(1/1.08) = 1.08/1.10 = 0.9818...
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Central Scrutinizer
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Posted - 2006.03.12 00:25:00 -
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It pays off in roughly 50 x (time it took to train).
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Revinor Dagoth
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Posted - 2006.03.12 11:27:00 -
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It is more around 250 days, not 140 days, unless you have all advanced stat skills learned to lvl 5 and set of +5 implants and put all your points/char creation to int and mem.
As Scrutinizer has said - take time you need to improve it from 4 to 5 and multiply by 50 - this is rough estimate (plus/minus few percent) when it will pay off. To get this '140' day figure everybody is repeating after the sticky (which is not showing the math behind this number), you would need stats like 35 memory, 30 intelligence (after taking into account implants,stat skills and base, but not 8% from learning skill) - which are hardly doable at all.
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Tripoli
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Posted - 2006.03.12 16:21:00 -
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Well, my 140 day calculation is about two years old, so I decided to check it today. I'm rather embarrassed to say that it is way off. 
Payoff for Learning from 4 to 5 can vary a lot player to player, but for someone with average attributes, level 4 in the basic learning skills, and no implants, the payoff is actually 406 days. If you had advanced learnings at 4, it'd be 286 days. Add +3 implants and it falls to 243 days.
I do apologize for my rather horrible miscalculation. I will update it in my thread.
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chinefoo
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Posted - 2007.01.23 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: chinefoo on 23/01/2007 16:09:23
ok im really confused as i have trained all 11 skills to lvl 5 well over a year ago and i can say that i have not
taken 2 years to do this!!!!!!!
405 days ? perhaps i dunno for all the skills all at once? not sure where you are at this but ive been online for 3 years {took a 1 year break} and currently hold 50 skills at lvl 5 out of 117 tottal skills so im confused
as to your tottals because if that holds true than i should have 1/3 the skill points and need 3 more years to do what i have done plz clarify ?
to do advanced learning skills any from 4 to 5 took 7 to 14 days! i currently hold way over 33 mill skill points
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Jan Javaar
Minmatar
FireStar Inc
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.23 16:28:00 -
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What is meant is that the time you "wasted", time you could have been training something you like, training the learning skills will be recouped after approx 240 days, after that you train faster than a character without those skills.
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Andrymeda
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Posted - 2007.01.23 21:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Corp Mule
If I am taking all advanced to lvl 4....roughly how long would it take to break even for putting all that time in for training learning from 4-5..i mean is that 2% really that much ?
This topic has been debated to death.  However, I would recommend training to lvl 5, especially if you have implants. Many look at the 5% difference, but I tend to factor in 25% versus 20% when training other skills (what the diff you say?), especially secondary attributes.
What it really boils down to is your attributes. If your attributes are not fairly even, then you will see it might not be worth it. If they are evenly distributed, then that is different. Also, with implants and your total attributes are 20 or higher, you get a learning bonus. So another thing to factor in is if you lose an implant, does your attribute drop below 20? If not, train to lvl 5.
Generally speaking, I think any skill not trained to lvl 5 is a waste.
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Mothmar Friedsquid
Gallente
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.23 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Andrymeda
Originally by: Corp Mule
If I am taking all advanced to lvl 4....roughly how long would it take to break even for putting all that time in for training learning from 4-5..i mean is that 2% really that much ?
This topic has been debated to death. However, I would recommend training to lvl 5, especially if you have implants. Many look at the 5% difference, but I tend to factor in 25% versus 20% when training other skills (what the diff you say?), especially secondary attributes.
Generally speaking, I think any skill not trained to lvl 5 is a waste.
This is quite impressive. Generally speaking, I consider this a waste. There's a certain cost involved in taking a particular amount of time to finish something. The only reason to get your learning skill to a certain level is if you actually get a benefit out of it. If you play for 411 days (or sell your character to someone who expects to train it) you get a net benefit. Otherwise, you're just wasting valuable training time you could spend on something else.
This is a sample of the attitude of someone Tripoli just called a 'skill perfectionist.' 
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Tripoli
XenTech
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Posted - 2007.01.24 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mothmar Friedsquid
This is a sample of the attitude of someone Tripoli just called a 'skill perfectionist.'
Did I? 
All I know is that after having actually played for over 3 1/2 years, all those payoff times are finally coming due for me. 
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Marwolaeth
Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.01.24 17:45:00 -
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Hmm, well personally I am very glad I learned lvl 5 learning very early on as according to this discussion I've been benefiting from doing so for the last year or so. Yay! When I originally did the learning skills (and afterwards the adv learning skills) to lvl 5 I had no idea how long it would take to benefit from doing so (and as I understand it I am still waiting on recouping the cost of the adv learning skills to lvl 5) otherwise I probably would of stopped at lvl 4 as the thought of playing a game for that length of time would scare me. However 2.5 years on I'm still playing and don't intend to quit just yet so some day I fully expect to recoup on all the learning skill training times one day and from that point on I will be (or have been) benefiting from my adv skills. Anyone who hasn't got theirs to lvl 5 yet but decide to do so one day will have to start the countdown on that day. yes, I am feeling quite smug but my point is that putting off taking learning (or the adv skills) is just extending how long you will have to play before you reap the benefits.
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Kruugore
Minmatar
Vigilant Justice
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Posted - 2007.01.25 16:50:00 -
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I only trained my lowest attribute to level 5 while I was on a break to get the highest benefit. There is 'diminishing' return on attributes.
Only train the level 5's if you stick with a game for the long run.
Mr. K
VIGLANT JUSTICE
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Eternal Fury
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.26 03:51:00 -
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It's simple. Are you going to play for less then a year, or more then a year.
if it's more, then do the learning skills to 5. if it's less then a year, only to 4 and andvanced to 4.
Eternal Fury
Shadow Of The Light
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.26 15:00:00 -
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Seeing as how the pre-reqs for adavanced learning have changed since this thread was made, I can't quite understand the need for the necromancy.
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