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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
1030
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Posted - 2014.02.27 19:43:00 -
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JP Nakamura wrote:Will update after I get WINE up and running (fingers crossed, I may not get to it before the weekend, but that'll still beat CCP by ~4 months from what they seem to be suggesting  )
If COMM4NDER is right, CCP might be waiting for DX11 support to be rolled in. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |

Darryn Lowe
AD ASTRA Interstellar
25
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Posted - 2014.02.28 03:14:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:JP Nakamura wrote:Will update after I get WINE up and running (fingers crossed, I may not get to it before the weekend, but that'll still beat CCP by ~4 months from what they seem to be suggesting  ) If COMM4NDER is right, CCP might be waiting for DX11 support to be rolled in. It'll be a while. Wine is only just moving towards DX10.
Incidentally I still get flashing screen but I just change the resolution to the next in the list then say "No" to keeping the changes. Works after that. |

Nachtwache Lau-Chi
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.03.12 16:55:00 -
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I'm running well with a 2009 Mac Pro Quad core, doing the simple macports install shown on the first page of this thread. Looking at the Homebrew install on page 3, I'm curious. Should everyone do that command with "winetricks?"
winetricks gdiplus corefonts tahoma ie8 comctl32 dotnet40 vcrun2010
I have the flickering bug (fixed by changing the interval) and the known bug of the captains' quarters but everything else works without a hitch. |

Norden Kor
Wargasam O.U.Z.O. Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.03.12 22:44:00 -
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Nachtwache Lau-Chi wrote:Should everyone do that command with "winetricks?"
winetricks gdiplus corefonts tahoma ie8 comctl32 dotnet40 vcrun2010
For best results, yes. You should install winetricks (in your case, run `sudo port install winetricks`) and then run the following winetricks command to install the other stuff EVE needs:
winetricks comctl32 corefonts dotnet40 eufonts gdiplus gdiplus_winxp ie8 msls31 physx pngfilt tahoma vcrun2010 wininet wsh56vb xmllite |

Seraphina Oriana
Apex Scientific Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2014.03.12 23:12:00 -
[65] - Quote
Holy ****?!?! Is this the same ******* game?!
This is night and day between this and the old Cider client! 
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Darryn Lowe
AD ASTRA Interstellar
25
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Posted - 2014.03.13 23:41:00 -
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Latest dev version of Wine seems to fix the flickering issue. |

Amarisen Gream
Galactic Skyfleet Research Group Galactic Skyfleet Empire
17
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Posted - 2014.03.14 04:45:00 -
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I always see people speaking about the improvement of the game via wine. I run it via wine sometimes, but for me I don't see that much of a difference. Might be that I run my settings as low as the go on all three accounts. I still get 40-60 FPS on ether client. So just a little confused with the expressions from some people. But than again. Quad core i3 iMac with 512 something video card. 2012 iMac, base 21" model. xoxo Amarisen Gream
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Norden Kor
Wargasam O.U.Z.O. Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.03.14 05:21:00 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:I always see people speaking about the improvement of the game via wine. I run it via wine sometimes, but for me I don't see that much of a difference. Might be that I run my settings as low as the go on all three accounts. I still get 40-60 FPS on ether client. So just a little confused with the expressions from some people. But than again. Quad core i3 iMac with 512 something video card. 2012 iMac, base 21" model.
From reading the rest of this thread it's quite clear that each person experiences something different. Depending on the composition of one's Mac, version of OS X, number of external monitors, etc. unique setups get unique results.
In my case, however, the Mac client is practically unusable; it performs very poorly and experiences frequent freezes that put me and my fleetmates at risk. On my system, using Wine with the Windows client is the only way to have a good experience in game. |

Darryn Lowe
AD ASTRA Interstellar
25
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Posted - 2014.03.14 05:30:00 -
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For me it's a reduction in fan ramping. At lowest settings on the Mac client my machine's fans would be constantly going but using Wine they go when things get a bit full on but I'm also using the default graphics settings not the low settings. |

Amarisen Gream
Galactic Skyfleet Research Group Galactic Skyfleet Empire
17
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Posted - 2014.03.14 07:58:00 -
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Yeah, each machine is always a little different. I can understand some changes between machines depending on age. Would love to compare notes with someone who has an iMac like mine. I will pull up the system profile when I get home and add them via an edit. Normal cider client runs about 800-1000mb of ram. Not sure on processors b/c I normally have 2-3 clients up. But over all four processors I only see about 25% on each one. Wine runes between like 750-900mb and no change on the processors. I never hear my fans, normal heat I see via istat menu is 130-150 on CPU or GPU
Only thing I hate about the windows client is the hotkeys . If I could remap them to be mac keys I would love it.
***another hing that bothers me. From the first day I have played EVE, on the corp info page, I never get the little E thing for like donating or w/e to the corp. other mac players say they don't have that issue.
No matter the numbers. The cider client is getting proven to be a very bad choice for CCP. Hope they make a change soon.
Edit: p.s. I just remembered. I am a freak with my mac for keeping things on the inside working great. Pram resets every so often. I run OnyX like monthly. I used to use mackeeper to keep all the junk down, but the 100mb of ram the helper used all the time pissed me off. So I killed that app. Now only if I could find a program that could go through all my application support folders and compare them to my apps and delete the unneeded ones. I love a clean HDD. :) xoxo Amarisen Gream
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
244
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Posted - 2014.03.19 10:57:00 -
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So after experiencing firsthand the day-and-night difference between the Mac and Windows clients, I was pretty pumped to see this thread. Finally got around to installing Wine, got EVE running annnnnd... bumkis.
Nada. Nothing.
In fact, the performance is actually WORSE.
Slightly lower framerate and the game looks worse than it does with the exact same settings, Mac-side. Even the 'post-processing lens-flares clipping through models' bug is more pronounced.
Is there some sort of optimization step I'm missing? Brew doctor reports all systems nominal.
27" iMac, Mid-2011 2.7 GHz Intel i5 12 GB DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6770m 512 OSX 10.8.5 Core Skills | EVE Music |

Amarisen Gream
Galactic Skyfleet Research Group Galactic Skyfleet Empire
19
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:42:00 -
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Invisusira wrote:So after experiencing firsthand the day-and-night difference between the Mac and Windows clients, I was pretty pumped to see this thread. Finally got around to installing Wine, got EVE running annnnnd... bupkis.
Nada. Nothing.
In fact, the performance is actually WORSE.
Slightly lower framerate and the game looks worse than it does with the exact same settings, Mac-side. Even the 'post-processing lens-flares clipping through models' bug is more pronounced.
Is there some sort of optimization step I'm missing? Brew doctor reports all systems nominal.
27" iMac, Mid-2011 2.7 GHz Intel i5 12 GB DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6770m 512 OSX 10.8.5
just to make sure. wine or wine-devel?
For me, there isn't really a difference between the two. xoxo Amarisen Gream
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
244
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:47:00 -
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Norden Kor wrote:
- Installed wine using Homebrew with the following:
[list=1]
- brew install wine --devel
- brew install winetricks
- winetricks gdiplus corefonts tahoma ie8 comctl32 dotnet40 vcrun2010
Installed standard Windows EVE Online client using regular network installer (not the offline installer)
This is what I did, almost. The only difference is that the regular installer didn't work; it downloaded everything but then wouldn't install anything. So I downloaded the offline installer, ran that, and then updated through the launcher and the game ran fine. Core Skills | EVE Music |

Amarisen Gream
Galactic Skyfleet Research Group Galactic Skyfleet Empire
19
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Posted - 2014.03.19 14:56:00 -
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Invisusira wrote:Norden Kor wrote: Installed wine using Homebrew with the following:
- brew install wine --devel
- brew install winetricks
- winetricks gdiplus corefonts tahoma ie8 comctl32 dotnet40 vcrun2010
- Installed standard Windows EVE Online client using regular network installer (not the offline installer)
This is what I did, almost. The only difference is that the regular installer didn't work; it downloaded everything but then wouldn't install anything. So I downloaded the offline installer, ran that, and then updated through the launcher and the game ran fine. Good to know; I was expecting the client to run as well as it does in Windows from all the excited noises in this thread.
I think it would have been nice to get more of the hardware specs from other members here. Your machine from the age sounds like the last gen iMac with a optical drive. I have the first gen without. So the hardware is a much better than say 2010 or before*. Trying to remembers what year Apple got the i3/5/7 chips + went back to AMD GPUs.
My old iMac (2008) would probably run better via wine b/c of its age. xoxo Amarisen Gream
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars The Initiative.
244
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Posted - 2014.03.19 15:04:00 -
[75] - Quote
Correct, mine is the last of the optical drive iMacs. Core Skills | EVE Music |

Norden Kor
Wargasam O.U.Z.O. Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.03.21 03:02:00 -
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The following is what I have, and Wine + Windows client is definitely better than the Mac client:
- 27" iMac, Late 2012 - No optical drive - Model Identifier iMac13,2
- 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7 - 1 processor, 4 cores, 256 KB L2 cache, 8 MB L3 cache
- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2048 MB
- External 1280x1024 Monitor
- External 1920x1080 Monitor
- 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 memory
- OS X 10.9.2
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Sheepeh
High Priority Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.03.21 11:16:00 -
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Here's mine, I run the Windows client with Crossover for ease of use, but it is leagues ahead of the Cider client - a higher frame rate with more graphical options and less fan spinning.
iMac, 27 inch, Mid 2011 3.1Ghz Intel i5 32GB 1333Mhz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024MB OS X 10.9.2
It also runs a lot better on my 2013 rMBP as well, with Iris graphics. |

Aedan Orlenardi
Risk For ISK Arete Consortium
0
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Posted - 2014.03.26 13:21:00 -
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Hey Guys,
This seems like a really nice solution. My question is, how could I get Wine working without reinstalling the entire game. I already have the windows EVE version installed on my windows PC, but I don't think I can face doing the entire download again (for the 3rd time) at a meagre 40kbps. Is there any way I can use WINE with the program folder from my PC copied over to my mac?
Thanks, Mike (Aedan) |

Darryn Lowe
AD ASTRA Interstellar
25
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Posted - 2014.03.31 00:54:00 -
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Sheepeh wrote:Here's mine, I run the Windows client with Crossover for ease of use, but it is leagues ahead of the Cider client - a higher frame rate with more graphical options and less fan spinning.
iMac, 27 inch, Mid 2011 3.1Ghz Intel i5 32GB 1333Mhz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024MB OS X 10.9.2
It also runs a lot better on my 2013 rMBP as well, with Iris graphics.
How'd you get it running on CrossOver? I can never get it to work correctly hence the reason I installed Wine using HomeBrew.
My machines is an early 2011 MBP with 4GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 2GHz i7, ATI Radeon 6490M and Intel HD 3000 |

Darryn Lowe
AD ASTRA Interstellar
25
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Posted - 2014.03.31 01:00:00 -
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Aedan Orlenardi wrote:Hey Guys,
This seems like a really nice solution. My question is, how could I get Wine working without reinstalling the entire game. I already have the windows EVE version installed on my windows PC, but I don't think I can face doing the entire download again (for the 3rd time) at a meagre 40kbps. Is there any way I can use WINE with the program folder from my PC copied over to my mac?
Thanks, Mike (Aedan)
I think from memory the files may still be in temporary internet files. I don't know what version of Windows you're running so I can't tell you exactly where that folder is. |

Pepbill
Vicis Inter Astrum Solar Destiny
0
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Posted - 2014.04.03 14:56:00 -
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Norden Kor wrote:There is no user-friendly or quick approach to installing vanilla Wine or its dependencies on OS X. There are many places things can go wrong and a moderate amount of technical aptitude to troubleshoot and resolve problems without assistance is required. If you are up to the challenge and want to try it anyway, here's how I have arrived at my current working installation:
- Install Xcode from the App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xcode/id497799835?mt=12
- Open Xcode. If you are prompted to install additional required components, click Install.
- Install XQuartz: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/
- Install Homebrew: http://brew.sh/
- After Homebrew is installed, run the command `brew doctor`. Look over all of the potential problems and resolve them. (Note: It is highly unlikely that anyone in this forum will be able to help you with issues shown by this command, but you will need to fix them)
- Run the following command to install wine and its dependencies: `brew install --devel --universal wine winetricks`
- Run the following command to install dependencies required by EVE: `winetricks comctl32 corefonts dotnet40 eufonts gdiplus gdiplus_winxp ie8 msls31 physx pngfilt tahoma vcrun2010 wininet wsh56vb xmllite` (Note: Some of the error messages you will receive while installing the various requirements can be safely ignored.)
- Download the Windows EVE client network installer: http://community.eveonline.com/support/download/
- Run `wine /path/to/the/installer.exe` to launch the installer and begin download and installation of the game client.
- Run `wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/eve.exe` to start the EVE launcher.
Depending on your Mac and your Internet connection, all of this will require somewhere around 1-4 hours of your time for download, compilation, and installation. If you have any questions or problems, you can try sending me an EVE Mail but be warned that most of the issues you will face will be things I can't help you with. On the plus side, trying the above and not getting a working EVE client will do no damage to your system at all. Having Xcode and Homebrew installed are things that can be helpful down the road regardless.
I followed these instructions and all seemed to go good until I run the launcher. It seems to login, I get the char screen, then it tries to login and nada. Get a loading screen with music and then goes back to launcher.
Any ideas?
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Pepbill
Vicis Inter Astrum Solar Destiny
0
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Posted - 2014.04.03 15:12:00 -
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Ok it doesn't seem to like docking in stations where you have to start off in the captains quarters. FYI took me a couple starts and restarts. Now I just have to figure out how to map the Apple/Command Key! |

Pepbill
Vicis Inter Astrum Solar Destiny
0
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Posted - 2014.04.03 18:25:00 -
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Seems to be working, now I have to fix all my preferences etc..
My command/apple key isn't working so I'm missing right click stuff. I don't use a mouse because this is a laptop with a trackpad. Any ideas how to enable the command key?
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Darryn Lowe
AD ASTRA Interstellar
25
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Posted - 2014.04.03 20:07:00 -
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Pepbill wrote:Seems to be working, now I have to fix all my preferences etc..
My command/apple key isn't working so I'm missing right click stuff. I don't use a mouse because this is a laptop with a trackpad. Any ideas how to enable the command key?
Go into System Preferences and set the right mouse click to whatever. I have mine set to Bottom Right. You can also set it to two finger click.
Either way you have two mouse buttons now and no longer need to press Control Click. |

Sheepeh
High Priority Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.04.05 09:26:00 -
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Darryn Lowe wrote:Sheepeh wrote:Here's mine, I run the Windows client with Crossover for ease of use, but it is leagues ahead of the Cider client - a higher frame rate with more graphical options and less fan spinning.
iMac, 27 inch, Mid 2011 3.1Ghz Intel i5 32GB 1333Mhz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024MB OS X 10.9.2
It also runs a lot better on my 2013 rMBP as well, with Iris graphics. How'd you get it running on CrossOver? I can never get it to work correctly hence the reason I installed Wine using HomeBrew. My machines is an early 2011 MBP with 4GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 2GHz i7, ATI Radeon 6490M and Intel HD 3000
I didn't do anything special, I just loaded Crossover, told it I wanted to install Eve Online in the list, and pointed it at the Windows .exe. It did the rest. It supports the Steam version too, but I'm just using the CCP download.
What doesn't work for you?
Quote:MacBook Pro Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013 Processor 2 GHz Intel Core i7 Memory 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 Graphics Intel Iris Pro 1024 MB Software OS X 10.9.2 (13C64)
It runs perfectly for me on this laptop as well, which I would have thought meant it would run well everywhere if it runs on AMD and Intel graphics.
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Pepbill
Vicis Inter Astrum Solar Destiny
0
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Posted - 2014.04.05 15:41:00 -
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Thanks for the preference tip. I'll have to get used to it but it works.
Now I'm having an issue with client crashing if I have to load a char that is in captains quarters. That's default so I basically can't dock or start when docked.
Any ideas?
If I could transfer my preferences from my mac client to my windows client that would be awesome.
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Darryn Lowe
AD ASTRA Interstellar
25
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Posted - 2014.04.06 03:01:00 -
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Pepbill wrote:Thanks for the preference tip. I'll have to get used to it but it works.
Now I'm having an issue with client crashing if I have to load a char that is in captains quarters. That's default so I basically can't dock or start when docked.
Any ideas?
If I could transfer my preferences from my mac client to my windows client that would be awesome.
When you're on the character select screen you should be able to press escape and turn off the load station option. Apparently Wine doesn't run the Captain's Quarters for some reason. |

Darryn Lowe
AD ASTRA Interstellar
25
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Posted - 2014.04.06 03:03:00 -
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Sheepeh wrote:Darryn Lowe wrote:Sheepeh wrote:Here's mine, I run the Windows client with Crossover for ease of use, but it is leagues ahead of the Cider client - a higher frame rate with more graphical options and less fan spinning.
iMac, 27 inch, Mid 2011 3.1Ghz Intel i5 32GB 1333Mhz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024MB OS X 10.9.2
It also runs a lot better on my 2013 rMBP as well, with Iris graphics. How'd you get it running on CrossOver? I can never get it to work correctly hence the reason I installed Wine using HomeBrew. My machines is an early 2011 MBP with 4GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 2GHz i7, ATI Radeon 6490M and Intel HD 3000 I didn't do anything special, I just loaded Crossover, told it I wanted to install Eve Online in the list, and pointed it at the Windows .exe. It did the rest. It supports the Steam version too, but I'm just using the CCP download. What doesn't work for you? Quote:MacBook Pro Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013 Processor 2 GHz Intel Core i7 Memory 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 Graphics Intel Iris Pro 1024 MB Software OS X 10.9.2 (13C64) It runs perfectly for me on this laptop as well, which I would have thought meant it would run well everywhere if it runs on AMD and Intel graphics. I get graphics glitches and slow downs. I think it's because CrossOver uses the 1.6 version of Wine not the latest developer version. |

Sheepeh
High Priority Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.04.07 18:15:00 -
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Darryn Lowe wrote:Sheepeh wrote:Darryn Lowe wrote:Sheepeh wrote:Here's mine, I run the Windows client with Crossover for ease of use, but it is leagues ahead of the Cider client - a higher frame rate with more graphical options and less fan spinning.
iMac, 27 inch, Mid 2011 3.1Ghz Intel i5 32GB 1333Mhz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024MB OS X 10.9.2
It also runs a lot better on my 2013 rMBP as well, with Iris graphics. How'd you get it running on CrossOver? I can never get it to work correctly hence the reason I installed Wine using HomeBrew. My machines is an early 2011 MBP with 4GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 2GHz i7, ATI Radeon 6490M and Intel HD 3000 I didn't do anything special, I just loaded Crossover, told it I wanted to install Eve Online in the list, and pointed it at the Windows .exe. It did the rest. It supports the Steam version too, but I'm just using the CCP download. What doesn't work for you? Quote:MacBook Pro Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013 Processor 2 GHz Intel Core i7 Memory 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 Graphics Intel Iris Pro 1024 MB Software OS X 10.9.2 (13C64) It runs perfectly for me on this laptop as well, which I would have thought meant it would run well everywhere if it runs on AMD and Intel graphics. I get graphics glitches and slow downs. I think it's because CrossOver uses the 1.6 version of Wine not the latest developer version.
It's possible, though it does work for me. It even allows me to have it own another desktop and use native swipes to change between Eve and Safari.
Still, use what works for you, eh? |

Seraphina Oriana
Apex Scientific Syndicate Black Rose.
5
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Posted - 2014.04.07 21:02:00 -
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Sheepeh wrote:It's possible, though it does work for me. It even allows me to have it own another desktop and use native swipes to change between Eve and Safari.
Still, use what works for you, eh?
I can do that with Wine. Four finger swipe up, then drag it onto a new desktop. Best feature of the wine part!!
I'm on the Late 2011 iMac, 3.4Ghz i7, 16Gb RAM, AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2048 MB, on 10.9.2 |
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