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Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:30:00 -
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My alt lost a pod that narrowly missed the front page of eve-kill.net last night .
Stilleto was waiting for me to come out of warp, had me targed and pointed before I could warp off. This was all in spite of the fact that I was manically spamming warp to another celestial. I was under the impression that even an instalock inty can't pull this off and that the only way to lose a pod in low (provided you know how to spam warp) is to smartbombs.
Just so I know for the future, is there some inty fit that makes this possible, or was it network lag, or was I just wrong altogether about pod safety in low? |
ErrorRon
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
90
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:34:00 -
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There's no such thing as pod safety. Or safety for that matter. |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:35:00 -
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ErrorRon wrote:There's no such thing as pod safety. Or safety for that matter.
HTFU is what you say to people simply expressing butthurt. I'm asking a question about game mechanics which you didn't answer.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
229
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:39:00 -
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You are wrong all together about pod safety in low.
Catching a pod is difficult, but if someone is ready for you it can be done. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Xavier Holtzman
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Get Off My Lawn
72
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:41:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:... or was I just wrong altogether about pod safety in low?
ErrorRon wrote:There's no such thing as pod safety. Or safety for that matter.
I didn't see anything about "HTFU." I saw him answering one of your questions. Apparently you didn't like the (correct) answer to one of your questions, and you got buttmad about it. -x |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
159
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:44:00 -
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Xavier Holtzman wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:... or was I just wrong altogether about pod safety in low? ErrorRon wrote:There's no such thing as pod safety. Or safety for that matter. I didn't see anything about "HTFU." I saw him answering one of your questions. Apparently you didn't like the (correct) answer to one of your questions, and you got buttmad about it.
He didn't answer my question at all. He gave me a blanket "EVE is dangerous, mmkay?" statement.
To be clear, my question was: "Can a pod align (I know they have virtually no alignment time) and warp faster than an inty can lock and scram them." |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1002
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:47:00 -
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I would consider it nigh-impossible if you are coming out of a dead ship, since you can hit warp before you appear on their overview. Or if you're landing on a gate/station and become invulnerable upon activation/docking.
However if you're landing in space and trying to decelerate, then warp somewhere else, I am not very surprised to see that you got caught. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
159
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:49:00 -
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Batelle wrote:I would consider it nigh-impossible if you are coming out of a dead ship, since you can hit warp before you appear on their overview. Or if you're landing on a gate/station and become invulnerable upon activation/docking.
However if you're landing in space and trying to decelerate, then warp somewhere else, I am not very surprised to see that you got caught.
Interesting. Now that you mention it, you're definitely right, I should have warped to a station or gate instead of a celestial. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
229
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:53:00 -
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Remember than an inty can see where you are going and beat you there. So only fly to a BM or a cluster of celestials so the inty pilot can't tell which one you are flying to. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
159
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:56:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Remember than an inty can see where you are going and beat you there. So only fly to a BM or a cluster of celestials so the inty pilot can't tell which one you are flying to.
Good point. I started trying to find a cluster of celestials, but a Kronos (was odd to see that in low-sec PvP!) had just started applying its DPS to me and I had only had a split second to get out. In retrospect, perhaps I should have made a safe on my way through system, but I worry that it would have taken too long to navigate the UI to warp to that safe after ship died. |
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
229
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Posted - 2013.12.27 21:03:00 -
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Using the right-click interface to get to a bm DOES take too long. When doing insta-undocks or other maneuvers that might require instant selection of bookmarks, have the people and places window already open. Current system bms will be green. So you can spam click them without the delay of the context-menu. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
159
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Posted - 2013.12.27 21:03:00 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Using the right-click interface to get to a bm DOES take too long. When doing insta-undocks or other maneuvers that might require instant selection of bookmarks, have the people and places window already open. Current system bms will be green. So you can spam click them without the delay of the context-menu.
Thanks for this tip.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
699
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Posted - 2013.12.27 21:09:00 -
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As far as I am aware, the align time for a capsule is several orders of magnitude too high for even a Claw to instalock. It's only lag that will get you killed in a capsule. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.27 21:30:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:As far as I am aware, the align time for a capsule is several orders of magnitude too high for even a Claw to instalock. It's only lag that will get you killed in a capsule.
That's what I thought too |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
8040
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Posted - 2013.12.27 21:41:00 -
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Having a 'Warpout' overview tab really helps. When you hear the hull alarm, swap tabs , select some random destination, and spam the 'warp to' button on the 'selected item' box.
Ive never lost an unbubbled pod. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
334
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Posted - 2013.12.27 21:45:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Just so I know for the future, is there some inty fit that makes this possible, or was it network lag, or was I just wrong altogether about pod safety in low?
Yes, yes and yes.
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Katran Luftschreck
Stillwater Corporation
1812
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Posted - 2013.12.27 22:43:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:He didn't answer my question at all. He gave me a blanket "EVE is dangerous, mmkay?" statement.
Keep in mind that 90%+ of the playerbase sees every question as just an excuse wave their teeny little e-peens around. "HTFU" is just the most utterly pathetic way in which this is done. Feel free to ignore such people, as you are correct in that they have nothing to contribute to the discussion, the question, or life in general.
Carmen Electra wrote:To be clear, my question was: "Can a pod align (I know they have virtually no alignment time) and warp faster than an inty can lock and scram them."
Pods catching is difficult, but can be done with very specialized ships/tools. Usually this involves a Slasher with 3 x Sensor Boosts and 1 x Warp Disruptor (I've done this myself) or a ship with numerous Remote Sensor Links feeding into a second ship, which then grabs you.
Outside of that, however, catching a pod is almost impossible without a interdiction bubble of some kind, smartbombs (as you said) or just plain horrible lag.
For extra safety many people keep bookmarks anywhere between 151km+ directly in front of a station's ejection port, allowing for (near) instant warp immediately after undocking, and letting you clear the range of any (normal) scramble attempts & buying to time to actually change direction to where you really want to warp off to. Again, there are some very specialized ships/tools that can be used to scramble someone from absurd distances (like 80km+) but even they can't reach to that kind of range.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4030
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Posted - 2013.12.27 22:45:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:My alt lost a pod that narrowly missed the front page of eve-kill.net last night . Stilleto was waiting for me to come out of warp, had me targed and pointed before I could warp off. This was all in spite of the fact that I was manically spamming warp to another celestial. I was under the impression that even an instalock inty can't pull this off and that the only way to lose a pod in low (provided you know how to spam warp) is to smartbombs. Just so I know for the future, is there some inty fit that makes this possible, or was it network lag, or was I just wrong altogether about pod safety in low?
Welcome to off grid boosted instalocking. |
Magna Mortem
The Scope Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2013.12.27 22:57:00 -
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Pods don't warp instantly.
Imagine a straight line. You're coming out of warp, looking forward.
You decellerate, but you're not at 0 velocity instantly. Now imagine you spam warp to somewhere in the opposite direction ... that takes time! You can shorten the timeframe between coming out of warp and entering warp again by warping somewhere that is in front of you. That way, you can use the fact that you're not at 0 velocity after exiting warp to your advantage.
All else ... implants to shorten aligntime might help. |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
167
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Posted - 2013.12.27 23:51:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:He didn't answer my question at all. He gave me a blanket "EVE is dangerous, mmkay?" statement. Keep in mind that 90%+ of the playerbase sees every question as just an excuse wave their teeny little e-peens around. "HTFU" is just the most utterly pathetic way in which this is done. Feel free to ignore such people, as you are correct in that they have nothing to contribute to the discussion, the question, or life in general. Carmen Electra wrote:To be clear, my question was: "Can a pod align (I know they have virtually no alignment time) and warp faster than an inty can lock and scram them." Pods catching is difficult, but can be done with very specialized ships/tools. Usually this involves a Slasher with 3 x Sensor Boosts and 1 x Warp Disruptor (I've done this myself) or a ship with numerous Remote Sensor Links feeding into a second ship, which then grabs you. Outside of that, however, catching a pod is almost impossible without a interdiction bubble of some kind, smartbombs (as you said) or just plain horrible lag. For extra safety many people keep bookmarks anywhere between 151km+ directly in front of a station's ejection port, allowing for (near) instant warp immediately after undocking, and letting you clear the range of any (normal) scramble attempts & buying to time to actually change direction to where you really want to warp off to. Again, there are some very specialized ships/tools that can be used to scramble someone from absurd distances (like 80km+) but even they can't reach to that kind of range.
Thanks. Yeah, I think my pod loss was the result of a little poor planning on my part, a little lag, a good inty pilot, and a little bad/good luck (depending on which end of the guns you were on!) |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.12.28 00:24:00 -
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It's quite possible to lock and scramble a pod in lowsec, or highsec for that matter, even if the pilot in the pod is spamming warp.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2399
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Posted - 2013.12.28 00:26:00 -
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Ive lost 2 pods while spamming warp. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
574
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Posted - 2013.12.28 00:43:00 -
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You exit warp at 20% max speed, in a direction. If the spamwarp required you to warp in a different direction, it might have given the stiletto just enough time to lock and scram you. I suspect lag may have played a part in it as well, though.
Everyone has a story about how this fit caught this inty/pod this one time, but it's not falsifiable. Could just as easily be due to lag/human error, who knows... There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
799
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Posted - 2013.12.28 00:59:00 -
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If the know how you travel or the have a backup ready yes very **** things can happening. I feel your lose and yes there is no "safety" thing in eve. Accept if you are dock thats the only real "safety"you have till you undock again.
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Daily Operation
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2013.12.28 02:13:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:Using the right-click interface to get to a bm DOES take too long. When doing insta-undocks or other maneuvers that might require instant selection of bookmarks, have the people and places window already open. Current system bms will be green. So you can spam click them without the delay of the context-menu. Thanks for this tip.
THIS IS FALSE. Don't do this. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
983
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Posted - 2013.12.28 03:15:00 -
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I've only lost pods to alcohol. But I've seen a guy with an instalock tornado blow away the ship and then the pod of pilots who knew what they were doing. It is very possible. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
15
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Posted - 2013.12.28 03:30:00 -
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Time-to-warp for a pod is something absurd like 0.25 seconds, while fastest possible lock time is 1.0 seconds (and an inty needs 2614+ scanres for that, ie double sebo). A single sebo would be 2.0 seconds, no sebo 3.0 seconds.
Point also goes through the second after the lock, so unless you lag you really shouldn't get podded. |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
175
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Posted - 2013.12.28 03:35:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:It's quite possible to lock and scramble a pod in lowsec, or highsec for that matter, even if the pilot in the pod is spamming warp.
Thanks. Nice to have some dev input on this! |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
175
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Posted - 2013.12.28 03:37:00 -
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MonkeyMagic Thiesant wrote:Time-to-warp for a pod is something absurd like 0.25 seconds, while fastest possible lock time is 1.0 seconds (and an inty needs 2614+ scanres for that, ie double sebo). A single sebo would be 2.0 seconds, no sebo 3.0 seconds. Point also appears to go through the second after the lock.
This seems to fit with my experience, which is basically that if you see the death coming, you should almost never get podded outside a bubble (beyond lag, or bumping off something that prevents warp).
This is kind of what I was thinking, but the dev chimed in, said it's possible so v0v
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Kossaw
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
90
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Posted - 2013.12.28 04:44:00 -
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MonkeyMagic Thiesant wrote:Time-to-warp for a pod is something absurd like 0.25 seconds, while fastest possible lock time is 1.0 seconds (and an inty needs 2614+ scanres for that, ie double sebo). A single sebo would be 2.0 seconds, no sebo 3.0 seconds. Point also appears to go through the second after the lock.
This seems to fit with my experience, which is basically that if you see the death coming, you should almost never get podded outside a bubble (beyond lag, or bumping off something that prevents warp).
Theres so much wrong in this post its barely worth pointing out the errors.
If youre not aligned while you spam warp and the attackers have 2 or 3 sebos youre f$&@ed. its not called an "Instacane" for nothing. WTB : An image in my signature |
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