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sleeping cylon	Posted - 2006.03.13 17:31:00 - [1] Edited by: sleeping cylon on 13/03/2006 17:30:54 I have been working on my harpy for the last 2/3 months now, and today i fought a corp m8 of mine (Ishkur) and i the found out that the ishkur really needs to be nerfed BADLY! What i mean is: The Ishkur can use 3 small noses and 1 75mm rail and 5 drones. The Harpy can use 1 small nos and 4 125mm rails. He has assult ship lvl 2 I have assult ship lvl 5 Get the picture? That is way to much power for the ishkur... I feel that my training time on the harpy i a waste. Am i the only one who feels that the Ishkur has to much firepower?
Bazman	Posted - 2006.03.13 18:21:00 - [2] It has 3 Nos and some drones, it has less firepower than you, he just disabled you by annihilating your cap, engage outside nos range. Why does this mean it should be nerfed? ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
sleeping cylon	Posted - 2006.03.13 18:24:00 - [3] Becouse he has 4 slots for weapons and he can use 5 drones, that would be like haveing 9 high slots.
Adrastos Volos	Posted - 2006.03.13 18:31:00 - [4] I just looked at the base stats for a Harpy vs an Ishkur... you get more power, more CPU, and 5 high slots. What more do you want? You could outfit 2-3 nossies and a couple 125mm railguns... yea...the Ishkur can have drones, but that is how all gallente ships are. The harpy is made for long range fighting. Use that to your advantage...
sleeping cylon	Posted - 2006.03.13 19:15:00 - [5] Edited by: sleeping cylon on 13/03/2006 19:19:39 Edited by: sleeping cylon on 13/03/2006 19:15:56 Well if that is how the gallente ships are, they should reduce the high slots on them. BTW, i tryed to use a mwd and keep it at range, but the harpy has to little cap do use it efectively. Oh yeah did try to use 3 noses and 2 guns, did not work eighter. NERF IT!
pshepherd	Posted - 2006.03.13 19:31:00 - [6] small nos have a max range of 5.5km... This means that if you orbited the ishkur at 10km you would have almost certainly won due to overall firepower. ============== This is a sig O RLY? - Imaran I've only done 4 hours of Tools for 2D graphics, give me a few weeks and i'll be cool, really.
sleeping cylon	Posted - 2006.03.13 19:42:00 - [7] Hi pshepard :) Only problem is, the gallente race are faster then the caldari race. He will eventually get in range of me.
Adrastos Volos	Posted - 2006.03.13 20:47:00 - [8] Originally by: sleeping cylon Hi pshepard :) Only problem is, the gallente race are faster then the caldari race. He will eventually get in range of me. What about using webber and a warp scrambler on him? Would eliminate him using a MWD. You can orbit far enough away to avoid his nossies, and rip him up with your bigger guns.
sleeping cylon	Posted - 2006.03.13 20:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Adrastos Volos Originally by: sleeping cylon Hi pshepard :) Only problem is, the gallente race are faster then the caldari race. He will eventually get in range of me. What about using webber and a warp scrambler on him? Would eliminate him using a MWD. You can orbit far enough away to avoid his nossies, and rip him up with your bigger guns. Might work... But if he also uses a web, and when we both are webbed he is still faster then me, so he can slowly but surely get in nos range.
Adrastos Volos	Posted - 2006.03.13 21:17:00 - [10] Originally by: sleeping cylon Originally by: Adrastos Volos Originally by: sleeping cylon Hi pshepard :) Only problem is, the gallente race are faster then the caldari race. He will eventually get in range of me. What about using webber and a warp scrambler on him? Would eliminate him using a MWD. You can orbit far enough away to avoid his nossies, and rip him up with your bigger guns. Might work... But if he also uses a web, and when we both are webbed he is still faster then me, so he can slowly but surely get in nos range. unless he also scrambles you, you are ok. Because you will have MWD vs his AB or if he has MWD, u r scrambling it.
sleeping cylon	Posted - 2006.03.13 21:22:00 - [11] Originally by: Adrastos Volos Originally by: sleeping cylon Originally by: Adrastos Volos Originally by: sleeping cylon Hi pshepard :) Only problem is, the gallente race are faster then the caldari race. He will eventually get in range of me. What about using webber and a warp scrambler on him? Would eliminate him using a MWD. You can orbit far enough away to avoid his nossies, and rip him up with your bigger guns. Might work... But if he also uses a web, and when we both are webbed he is still faster then me, so he can slowly but surely get in nos range. unless he also scrambles you, you are ok. Because you will have MWD vs his AB or if he has MWD, u r scrambling it. But that does not rule out that the Ishkur is overpowered. It really should be nerfed. Caldari is suffereing enough as it is allready.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.13 23:03:00 - [12] Edited by: Maya Rkell on 13/03/2006 23:03:59 Let's be clear here. You are using the premier frigate-sized long range railship to engage a close-range frigate-sized specalist Gallente ship at CLOSE range and losing? Um..WHY are you surprised? Start the engagement at 50km and see how you do. Digital Communist> The Jin-Mei are probably more profficient in training for Tofu and Noodles than Spaceship Command
sleeping cylon	Posted - 2006.03.14 16:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 13/03/2006 23:03:59 Let's be clear here. You are using the premier frigate-sized long range railship to engage a close-range frigate-sized specalist Gallente ship at CLOSE range and losing? Um..WHY are you surprised? Start the engagement at 50km and see how you do. The drones can be operated at great distances... Remove 3 of the high slots on the Ishkur or give the Harpy a dronebay aswell.
Alyth	Posted - 2006.03.14 16:41:00 - [14] Originally by: sleeping cylon Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 13/03/2006 23:03:59 Let's be clear here. You are using the premier frigate-sized long range railship to engage a close-range frigate-sized specalist Gallente ship at CLOSE range and losing? Um..WHY are you surprised? Start the engagement at 50km and see how you do. The drones can be operated at great distances... Remove 3 of the high slots on the Ishkur or give the Harpy a dronebay aswell. And I fly both. And I know you can outrange drones in a Harpy. By far. Also, an ishkur only has room for 5 light drones or 2 med, 3 light at AF level 4. Pop it's drones and you've popped it's damage output. Drones die so quickly it's not even funny when webbed. Both ships are fine, you used the harpy outside of its operational envelope and it failed to perform. I'm not surprised.

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