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Worlocke
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Posted - 2003.09.08 21:56:00 -
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Edited by: Worlocke on 11/09/2003 00:49:49
Edited by: Worlocke on 08/09/2003 22:03:27
A warning to all. There are three pirates who are running around in 0.0 space attacking unsuspecting targets. Their names are Keleanor, Ballistix and Omniwar. They are all in different corps, but have been seen working together. 0.0 space should always be considered dangerous, but to all of you who check local and notice players with high sec ratings should not let your guard down, especially with these three individuals.
Their mode of operation is to sneak up on anyone farming NPC pirates, jam them and attack. They will only prey on one ship, even odds isn't fun for them and they will usually turn tail and hide at the sight of someone fighting back. But none the less be warned that they are not to be trusted.
"No beast so fierce knows but some touch of pity. But I know none and therefore am no beast." |
Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.08 22:09:00 -
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Yes, I hope that CCP can fix this bug so the game gets more interesting.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Davian Windspear
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Posted - 2003.09.08 22:12:00 -
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It isnt a bug...
Be aware that 0.0 space is dangerous ANYONE can shoot at you with no repercussions because there is SUPPOSED to be no law.
Dont go there unless you can defend yourself and look out for ambushes |
Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.08 22:21:00 -
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Wrong, it's a bug. The devs says themselves that you're supposed to take a sec hit, regardless of where you attack players.
That is if I'm not totally desinformed or something.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.09.08 22:33:00 -
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All I know is that Tolstoy who had a 10.0 sec rating attacked my ass a few weeks ago and took no security hit that I know of. I either escaped or he was blazing me as a warning to leave. But like usual if someone wants to smoke you and they can, then they will. If it is a Dev problem then it'll be different when they fix it. Although I don't think you should take a security hit in 0.0. Afterall who in Corcord is really monitoring 0.0 anyway? I mean they have no real presence there so how can they issue a change to your security status.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.08 22:35:00 -
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If you podkill someone in some 0.0 systems, you may or you may not take a security status hit. I know this from first hand experience.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Valeria
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Posted - 2003.09.08 23:03:00 -
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That is if I'm not totally desinformed or something.
You are. 0.0 non-empire space has no penalties whatsoever just as it should be.
Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage. |
Shock
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Posted - 2003.09.09 00:25:00 -
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And why should that be?
I think it's not that bad if podkilling people in 0.0 space lowers your sec rating to -2.0 max or so. That way you can still enter sec space but you can get a bounty.
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.09.09 02:15:00 -
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outside Empire..should be like internatioal water..you can do whatever you want..people wont like it..but no juristication..so deal
Prendelo
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Worlocke
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Posted - 2003.09.09 03:31:00 -
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outside Empire..should be like internatioal water..you can do whatever you want..people wont like it..but no juristication..so deal
Prendelo
I assume you mean jurisdiction and not juristication.
Well actually if you kill someone in international water or another country, you are still a criminal, will most likely be labeled a criminal and more than likely will even be arrested for being a criminal. You cannot just murder people and use "international water" as an excuse, it just doesn't work like that.
"No beast so fierce knows but some touch of pity. But I know none and therefore am no beast." |
Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.09.09 03:57:00 -
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you understood what my point was..even if my example wasnt correct
so um..
a screw it..Ill just go hit a indy
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Jexter
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Posted - 2003.09.09 09:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jexter on 09/09/2003 09:15:35
Your "security rating" is actually a "CONCORD Security Rating". Concord has no sovereignity/control over the Outer Regions so they can't label you a criminal because they simply don't know: they have no witnesses or representatives in the area.
Wherever there is a Sovereignity in these regions (such as Sisters of Eve in a restricted area of Pure Blind, etc.) you will indeed take a security hit: one can assume that Concord gets informed by the Sovereignity of the area about your murderous acts (Concord is like inter-pol, most Corporations/Sovereignity are part of it and keep it informed about what happens in their territories.).
However in a "pure" 0.0 system with no Sovereignity you take no security hit because there is nobody there witnessing your criminal act.
This being said, there are some bugged 0.0-no Sovereignity systems where you will take a security hit no matter what.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.09.09 09:41:00 -
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Yeah, i have seen this alot also, nothing we can really do about it though, not having the threat warning window coming up when they warp in is a bit of a pain, as we are usually bizi
killing NPCs.
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Jexter
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Posted - 2003.09.09 09:57:00 -
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Edited by: Jexter on 09/09/2003 09:59:00
What you can do is use you own Corporation and personal faction standings very much like the NPC Corps and Concord do.
This is how the game is supposed to work. Use your own initiative. Have your CEO flag the "bad" corporation as a threat and it will show in your threat window whenever some member of the corp warps in. Or have the individual flagged if that is the case.
Now why I am suggesting this to my own "customers" is a question I should be wondering about...
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.09.09 10:08:00 -
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from what I understand, you dont get a sec hit from destroying other people's ships, but you do for pod killing.
Can anyone confirm/verify that?
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Jexter
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Posted - 2003.09.09 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jexter on 09/09/2003 12:50:02
Saladin: wrong.
You get a Concord security hit as soon as you initiate an attack on a ship.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.09.09 13:25:00 -
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jexter, we're talking in the context of 0.0 space here.
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Jexter
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Posted - 2003.09.09 13:31:00 -
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Yes Saladin, you don't get a security hit for podding someone in a 0.0/No Sovereignity system unless it is one of the bugged ones (see post above).
If you are in a 0.0 system that will give you a sec hit (either because it has a Sovereignity or because it is bugged) then you will take the hit upon initiating the attack.
Same behaviour you get in the empire space basically.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.09 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 09/09/2003 18:01:01
Wrong Chico, 'the goldfish brain'. All nations assumes jurisdiction in international waters.
They have however in several series of treaties most nations decided to acknowledge the jurisdiction of the nation of the ship, the ship is registered to.
However most nations assumes jurisdiction in regard to piracy. I think that the Royal Navy infact hanged pirates outside the west coast of Africa as late as 1983. (Yes, 1983 not 1893)
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Hackett
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Posted - 2003.09.09 16:05:00 -
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I think that the Royal Navy infact hanged pirates outside the west coast of Africa as late as 1983. (Yes, 1983 not 1893)
I beleive you are correct Mr Skillz - and u can still tecnically get hung in the uk for setting fire to a naval dockyard as well.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.09 18:00:00 -
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Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Persephonie
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Posted - 2003.09.09 18:18:00 -
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The fact is the analagy of international waters is a bad one.
A better one would be the waters of the carribbean when first discovered by Spain and colonised by england, spain, holland and france (boo to the french). The waters around each island were guarded and you would be punished for actions here. (empire space)
However you could sail off into uncharted areas (0.0 space) and do what you liked. No one had the resources to police it (though of course they cared!!) You were on your own in these areas.
However if some survived your attack and reported back that you had been attacked, then privateers may take up the mission to kill these people (like saying Jexter kills in 0.0 so will someone kill him, and posting on the boards with a reward) But they would still be able to land in British harbours or spanish.
Then there was the really crazy pirates like blackbeard (moo) who would kill indescrimanatly even in english/spanish waters. When they attacked in these waters would they be in trouble (and lose sec rating) becoming wanted pirates for attacks against the crown. No longer able to land in english ports and hunted by the navy as well as privateers.
Poitive sec pirates are a valid part of the game. They make the game exciting as do moo when they are not cheating (sorry i know not all of moo cheats)!! Keep them in it and no changes please!!!!
P.S. I got no news to report so im now an EVE historian |
Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.09 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 09/09/2003 18:30:13
I must disagree, if players wish to 'claim' ownership of Stain, Venal, Fountain etc. they should pay the price for attacking other players, ie. piracy, like everyone else.
In fact CONCORD knows the attack took place (see manual) and they pay 1 isk and 1 trit (cruel dev humor) to the one that lost his ship.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.09.09 19:30:00 -
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Well actually if you kill someone in international water or another country, you are still a criminal, will most likely be labeled a criminal and more than likely will even be arrested for being a criminal. You cannot just murder people and use "international water" as an excuse, it just doesn't work like that.
Only if ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT IT.
"He killed me last week out where nobody saw it" doesn't really cut it with the cops.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Tank CEO
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Posted - 2003.09.09 21:08:00 -
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Ok 'idiots', heres how the **** works.
You attack some 1 in 0.0 Empire controlled space, you will take a security hit. If you attack some one in 0.0 none-empire space you take no security hits since there are no penalties in 0.0 non-empire space.
Skillz, if you say im wrong, shut the hell up, I know what im talkinga bout.
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2003.09.10 01:55:00 -
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TRUST NOBODY !
SWEET routinely sells BPC's in Sing Laison and Essence Regions. |
Rizmordan Hillgotlieb
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Posted - 2003.09.10 02:08:00 -
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Thanks Tank... straight and to the point.
"If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it... does it still make a sound?"
"If you get podded in 0.0 and CONCORD is not around to monitor it... does anyone actually give a s**t?"
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Venkman
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Posted - 2003.09.10 09:37:00 -
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"If you get podded in 0.0 and CONCORD is not around to monitor it... does anyone actually give a s**t?"
Is there a list somewhere which systems are bugged? I mean it seems clear that SOME systems are not empire controlled space and still give a sec hit.
Venk
"If a man is alone and no woman is around...is he still wrong?"
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:09:00 -
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Only if ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT IT.
"He killed me last week out where nobody saw it" doesn't really cut it with the cops.
I lost a fight deep in 0.0 space in a Bist area once. The authorities is fact sent me a little note letting me know who was responsible for the loss of my ship. Was very reassuring to read that little not over and over again and I limped SLOWLY home in my pod.
Dunno if we can pretend like no one in empire space would ever know about things that went on in 0.0 space :)
The way things are is silly. You should take *some* Sec status hit for pirating and podkilling in 0.0 space, but not as much as in 0.3 space, which should still be less than trying it in 1.0 space.
10.0 sec rating for someone who routinely PKs is pretty silly.
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.10 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 10/09/2003 15:48:59
Ok Tank, you might be right. So what? Correct info is always welcome, regardless of source.
But still, does killing a pod in non-imperial 0.0 space give a sec. hit. I'm sure that I have had both. Ie. a sec. hit and not a sec. hit.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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