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Domo 2020
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:09:00 -
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Hello!
I'm enjoy mining but I am finding Hi-Sec minerals are not that exciting.
I have read a few posts on what Low/Null-Sec miners do to stay alive, but I am wondering how to setup safe spots so that I can go back and forth in a mineral field and always be aligned.
Do asteroid fields always align in the same direction, or do I need specific safe spots for each field?
I am planning on running a Procurer with some warp stabs. Is this the best option? I mean it take quite a bit of fire power to take one out with shield extenders, but they do eventually die. IDK the small ore hull kind of drives me nuts.
Any suggestions would be helpful!
Thanks,
Domo 2020 |
Dave Stark
4034
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Posted - 2013.12.29 17:52:00 -
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don't do it. there's no sensible reason to mine in low sec; ever. all the minerals there can be found in anomalies that spawn in high sec, and you're not a free kill for anyone passing by, nor are you constantly stopping you're peasant's activity in order to not get shot.
although if you want to because it's "fun" then who cares about any of those facts. |
Domo 2020
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.12.29 18:02:00 -
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Hi Dave,
Currently, I primaily hunt down ore anamalies the issue is either they are mined out by the time i find them or it takes me an hour of jumping around to find one worth mining.
I understand the risks, and I can deal with losing my ships. Really I am looking for something more exciting. I think it can be done with relative success just need some tips on getting started. |
Dave Stark
4035
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Posted - 2013.12.29 18:03:00 -
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Domo 2020 wrote:Hi Dave,
Currently, I primaily hunt down ore anamalies the issue is either they are mined out by the time i find them or it takes me an hour of jumping around to find one worth mining.
I understand the risks, and I can deal with losing my ships. Really I am looking for something more exciting. I think it can be done with relative success just need some tips on getting started.
if you want something more exciting then stop mining, that's the fastest way to get excitement out of eve. |
Domo 2020
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.12.29 18:14:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Domo 2020 wrote:Hi Dave,
Currently, I primaily hunt down ore anamalies the issue is either they are mined out by the time i find them or it takes me an hour of jumping around to find one worth mining.
I understand the risks, and I can deal with losing my ships. Really I am looking for something more exciting. I think it can be done with relative success just need some tips on getting started. if you want something more exciting then stop mining, that's the fastest way to get excitement out of eve.
Ha! Indeed... I am a strange duck though. I run missions, but I find mining in a place where everyone is looking to shoot you to pieces sounds like fun to me... or crazy, but hey I like to have a bit of skin in the game. |
Silivar Karkun
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2013.12.29 18:51:00 -
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i wanted to test that the other day, the venture goes well for that activty but its counter productive in terms of ISK, using a procurer or skiff can improve this situation a bit, but you'll have to sacrifice the increase in yield due to adding warp stabs or agility rigs. i noticed that a full inertial and agility rigged procurer can get in warp in a good 6 seconds, but still too slow and if the enemy appears, and gets enough time to scram you, you're doomed.... |
Shiv Lazair
Koshaku
Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2013.12.29 21:27:00 -
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Mime Gas in a WH w/ a venture. Dip out when rats or players come in. |
Paranoid Loyd
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
191
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Posted - 2013.12.30 05:47:00 -
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Shiv Lazair wrote:Mime Gas in a WH w/ a venture. Dip out when rats or players come in.
Mime gas
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Psade
Blind Avarice
27
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:07:00 -
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Doing hacking/archaeology/gas sites in low/null would fulfill the sort of 'dangerous harvesting' enjoyment you want without being the waste of time that low sec mining would be. |
Jax Revelos
Airkio Mining Corp
Gentlemen's Agreement
6
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Posted - 2013.12.30 16:18:00 -
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Mining in low sec is just begging for trouble. Join a null alliance if you want to get into better ore types. It is a much safer environment than low sec. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1055
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Posted - 2013.12.30 17:17:00 -
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Psade wrote:Doing hacking/archaeology/gas sites in low/null would fulfill the sort of 'dangerous harvesting' enjoyment you want without being the waste of time that low sec mining would be.
This, 100 times this.
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1818
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Posted - 2013.12.30 18:50:00 -
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First, use an interceptor or fast frigate to set up safes (but you know that) and to set up different warp-in points on the fields you want to use. Don't warp to zero directly to the beacon/warp-in point: you become way too easy of a target. Fit your Venture for fast align; don't be one of those noobs that fits for yield. Might also consider fitting a cloak; nothing annoys these guys more than to know you're there in a lowsy, scummy, piece-o-crap mining ship, then to not be able to find you. (I've had hunters lolrage on me before in local because I cloaked my boats while mission running or low sec exploration)
It never hurts to get to know the locals, become chummy with them... maybe even join their corp or alliance so you're blue to them (although these days plenty of guys shoot blues "for the lulz").
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Kousaka Otsu Shigure
Telluria Mechanics
1
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Posted - 2013.12.31 00:01:00 -
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Venture into a WH, look for Gas sites. I think theres a thread somewhere here that says that one site was enough isk for a PLEX~ at that time. |
Major Xadi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2013.12.31 01:38:00 -
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If you absolutely have to have the excitement of low sec mining (and I have done it with an indy alt), Dotlan maps is indispensable.
You'll want to find a system that is low traffic when you're ready to mine. As stated above pre bookmark roids on the outside of the belts so you will be able to warp to the best spots immediately. And have 1 or 2 safes in the middle of nowhere. Don't go more than 1 system into low. I always used 2 warp stabs. and was aligned to my safe spot. Cloaky tech 3 cruisers will instapop a venture and you won't see them till your popped. So a procurer is best. If more than 1 player is in system, go to safe. Spam d scan for probes.
3 times I was pointed by a lone pirate and each time escaped due to the stabs. And I ran a retriever. I only lost 1 venture, and that was the last time taking one into low. I did it just for the thrills and I assume that's your main goal here. It can be done.
Oh, also, the mag sites will have decent rats so you may want to just stick with the belts. And don't be lulled by someone's high security status. That was the guy in the proteus who instapopped my venture. |
Domo 2020
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:12:00 -
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Major Xadi wrote: If you absolutely have to have the excitement of low sec mining (and I have done it with an indy alt), Dotlan maps is indispensable.
You'll want to find a system that is low traffic when you're ready to mine. As stated above pre bookmark roids on the outside of the belts so you will be able to warp to the best spots immediately. And have 1 or 2 safes in the middle of nowhere. Don't go more than 1 system into low. I always used 2 warp stabs. and was aligned to my safe spot. Cloaky tech 3 cruisers will instapop a venture and you won't see them till your popped. So a procurer is best. If more than 1 player is in system, go to safe. Spam d scan for probes.
3 times I was pointed by a lone pirate and each time escaped due to the stabs. And I ran a retriever. I only lost 1 venture, and that was the last time taking one into low. I did it just for the thrills and I assume that's your main goal here. It can be done.
Oh, also, the mag sites will have decent rats so you may want to just stick with the belts. And don't be lulled by someone's high security status. That was the guy in the proteus who instapopped my venture.
Thanks Major Xadi,
Warp stabs saved me last night! I have had good success with the system I have found and working moving my PI over there now. It is quiet and have been researching the people who also frequent the nearby systems. It seems to be good! Time will tell though I suppose. |
Domo 2020
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:13:00 -
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Kousaka Otsu Shigure wrote:Venture into a WH, look for Gas sites. I think theres a thread somewhere here that says that one site was enough isk for a PLEX~ at that time.
I have tried this and found a few gas sites in wormholes, but I haven't had a PLX worth of success, it will keep trying! |
Domo 2020
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:17:00 -
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Jax Revelos wrote:Mining in low sec is just begging for trouble. Join a null alliance if you want to get into better ore types. It is a much safer environment than low sec.
This would be fine, and I have considered it, but I cannot be in Vent or TS and I am often having to park or log due to RL stuff. It would be difficult to say the least.
I was thinking of trying out Pirate owned NPC space or something along those line, but I am betting it is just as dangerous as low-sec |
Silivar Karkun
We are not bad. Just unlucky
Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2013.12.31 23:42:00 -
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if you lack the skills
[Procurer, low sec proc]
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
'Halcyon' Core Equalizer I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Strip Miner I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
6,9 seconds of align time at lvl V and 113 m/s of max speed.
if you want to improve it:
[Procurer, low sec proc]
Warp Core Stabilizer II
Warp Core Stabilizer II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
dont forget the crystals depending on the asteroides found there. or ju can just stick to the normal strip miner I
for those wanting a more agile fit:
[Procurer, low sec proc]
Inertia Stabilizers II
Inertia Stabilizers II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
you loose the chance to escape from a scram, but gives you 5.5 align time at skills lvl V. |
Derrick Diggler
Corus Industries Ltd
Corus Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2014.01.02 03:21:00 -
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I think I am with "don't do it!" crowd on this one. High Sec or 0.0 is where it is at.
Not a single reason i can come up with in favor of mining in low sec.
Having said that, it is your game of course and if you want to mine in a faction fit Hulk in low sec, that is also entirely up to you. |
Robby Altair
89
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Posted - 2014.01.03 21:42:00 -
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Domo 2020 wrote:
.... do I need specific safe spots for each field?
In mining anywhere, If I plan on mining in an area over time, I place bookmarks(BM) some 300km off each belt. For two reasons. First, so I can warp to the BM, and see who is in the belt. Second, for a warp out BM if I'm in the belt, and need to warp back to another BM in the same belt.
It is GIGO application development. |
Etro Vaille
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:41:00 -
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Domo 2020 wrote:Kousaka Otsu Shigure wrote:Venture into a WH, look for Gas sites. I think theres a thread somewhere here that says that one site was enough isk for a PLEX~ at that time. I have tried this and found a few gas sites in wormholes, but I haven't had a PLX worth of success, it will keep trying!
A bit farther down the rabbit hole...
I would recommend learning up a bit more on Wormholes and Exploration. You will find probing skills invaluable for both and it gives you the ability to not get in the same ol routine because you can go to work running sites in your exploration ship or work on siphoning gas until the rats spawn.
The higher class wormholes have the more valuable gases and require you to be a bit more on your toes, but as far as mining in LowSec goes...
I would not do it in a Barge or Exhumer as it is just asking for trouble.
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El 1974
Freedom For Fantasy
The Unthinkables
123
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:57:00 -
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I use a blockade runner and an unrigged T1 mining barge, which allows me to move my ship to an empty system. Use a salvage drone to remove npc wrecks so pirates cannot find your bookmarks after you have warped off. |
Domo 2020
Amarr Brewery Co.
Capital Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.01.04 06:44:00 -
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Etro Vaille wrote:Domo 2020 wrote:Kousaka Otsu Shigure wrote:Venture into a WH, look for Gas sites. I think theres a thread somewhere here that says that one site was enough isk for a PLEX~ at that time. I have tried this and found a few gas sites in wormholes, but I haven't had a PLX worth of success, it will keep trying! A bit farther down the rabbit hole... I would recommend learning up a bit more on Wormholes and Exploration. You will find probing skills invaluable for both and it gives you the ability to not get in the same ol routine because you can go to work running sites in your exploration ship or work on siphoning gas until the rats spawn. The higher class wormholes have the more valuable gases and require you to be a bit more on your toes, but as far as mining in LowSec goes... I would not do it in a Barge or Exhumer as it is just asking for trouble.
Funny story,
I was in a worm hole, and warped to a mining belt. I mined and was expecting the frigats to spawn. I can get out easily once they do. Well to my surprise, a BS spawned and warp scrambled me.
I lost my procuror!
No worries I'll warp with my drake and take the bugger out. The Drake I kept out 39km to keep out of its warp scrambled range. That bad mother Sleeper got me to 25% shields before I could get his armor to 50%.
I didn't lose my Drake but it taught me to avoid the exceptional belts. I'll keep to the crappy belts which still have all the minerals I need.
Edited below here for other thoughts
I have noticed there is a key word choice in the description of the any of the resource sites that tells me exactly which resource is in it.
I did find a site with gas that sells for something-thousands isk per gas unit. |
Etro Vaille
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:33:00 -
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One thing that may potentially save you is a mobile depot and warp stabs. If you get into a sticky situation throw it out and change lows to stabs and collect it back up...
They are also useful in that you can switch probe launchers and such without having to change(gimp) your ship. |
Ice Eagle
6
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:55:00 -
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i tend to agree. for me its highsec mining for safety and 0.0 for fun and profit. lowsec mining is just to much stopping and starting for my liking.
in 0.0 you know without a doubt who is your friend and who is trying to kill you lol. and you have a local.
there are many rental corps in 0.0 that don't require voice comms if that's whats turned you off.
but as pings go. i normally make the following ones.
mining pings - at least 30km from the belt warp in point to avoid being tackled by ceptors
hauler pings - 2,000km from the belt inline with either a station or in my case a pos. this to reduce the chance that a long warp will put your hauler in the belt the same time as a hostile.
safe spot - in between planets, best spot would be somewhere the dscan will only reach you from 1 celestial |
Kaivar Lancer
Garoun Investment Bank
426
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Posted - 2014.01.12 06:34:00 -
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Low sec mining is kinda fun. I understand the thrill of mining under hostile conditions.
When a name pops up in local, look them up on eve-kill. If they have a history of ganking, dock up or warp to a safe spot. But many low sec locals are also indys or explorers. Use your contact list to classify them. After awhile, you get to know who's hostile and who isn;t.
But yeah, gas mining is also very good isk. |
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