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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.14 20:16:00 -
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Hey, I know there's a lot of posts talking about freezing up and random reboots but I've read the posts and I believe my case is slightly different from the others... so here goes.
This has been a problem since about November of last year, and sadly, I'm starting to get rather annoyed by it and well, I'm not sure how much longer I can tolerate it for.
Here are the specs to my desktop.
AMD64 3200+ Winchester MSI Neo2 Platinum Nforce 3 2x512 OCZ PC-3200 Ram 2x512 Samsung PC-3200 Ram (no problems in memtest86 or any other games... Steam doesn't have issues either) ATI 9800 Pro All In Wonder 128 bit 200 Gig Western Digital 7200 RPM 8meg cache 40 Gig Maxtor 7200 RPM 2meg cache Soundblaster Audigy2
When I go and play Eve on my desktop I was generally able to log in and play for about 20 - 30 minutes before everything froze up. Even my sound froze and kept replaying the same glitching noise over and over. This proceeded to occur more randomly as time went on but now generally the game locks up at the login screen.
I'm not talking about a crash to desktop, I'm not able to alt+ctrl+del, or anything. It's frozen. There's no logs in the event viewer pertaining to the crash as far as I can tell either. I've reinstalled Eve, done a clean install of Eve, turned sound on and off, played in windowed and full screen (although I normally play in windowed). I've tried running Windows XP Pro, Windows x64, Windows Server 2003 Enterprise. Nothing works...
Fortunately, (and oddly?) my laptop has absolutely NO problems running Eve. But I really prefer playing on my desktop. Here are the specs for my laptop..
Acer Aspire 1680 Intel Pentium M 1.6 ghz 512 megs of ram ATI 9700 Mobility 60 gig harddrive Windows XP
I would really like to have Eve working on my desktop once more. I've been a subscriber for 2 years now and have only been experiencing these problems since November. Never before have I had problems with the game and I'm wondering why this problem still exists.
I don't believe it's an overheating issue on the CPU, Ram, or Video Card. All have been stressed very thoroughly and Eve is the only game which seems to have problems running on my computer. Also, I don't believe it's possible to overheat those components just by displaying the login screen.
If anyone else has problems very similar to mine please let me know. If you've solved this problem before, please let me know. And if you need any more information.. well, just let me know and I'll help out all I can.
I just want to go back to the way things were! Thank you! ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
Lotat Rubbal
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Posted - 2006.03.15 04:14:00 -
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I had a similar problem and found that by removing all the log files in your eve-directory/capture/gamelogs frees up much memory... It appears logging off does not tidy up, or remove them...and they are not cleared with the normal cache clearing..
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.15 04:40:00 -
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I took a look at the log folder and didn't find many files... but I did see this one... and this keeps being repeated infinitely through the file. Is it perhaps the problem?
0 : trinity.TriDevice: HRES:none(none) "unnamed", RotUrl:"tri:/dev", CurrentArea:"", CurrentShader:"", RotUrl "(null)", : There is no D3D device available ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
Lotat Rubbal
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Posted - 2006.03.15 05:02:00 -
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Not the log folder.... The 'capture' subdirectory gamelogs....and possibly chatlogs, depending on your settings...
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.15 05:15:00 -
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My bad, I checked the folders you were referring to but they're only 67 files and 92kb... nothing my computer can't handle. ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
Lotat Rubbal
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Posted - 2006.03.15 05:26:00 -
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Ahhh... Sorry different fault then...
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.24 21:14:00 -
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Well just to post a bit of an update, it appears I may have made some progress.
I installed the omega 6.2 catalyst drivers today after playing with some of the ATI drivers. (Rolledback to 5.4 catalyst without success, and I do recall having problems with each catalyst driver up to 6.3)
With the omega drivers I was successfully able to stay in station and idle for about 30 mins. I decided to test my luck and enable audio (for the first time in forever) and undock. That's when I locked up.
So with that progress (which is much better than before) I rebooted, started up Eve and turned off audio again, now I'm sitting in space and idling, if all goes well in the next lil bit I'll fly around and do some stuff and see how things go.
I just thought I would post an update for now in case anyone else has similar problems and was following this thread. ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.24 22:21:00 -
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Well I lasted an hour this time, which included flying around, killing npc's and getting ganked by another player and losing my ship.
When warping back to station (where a station mission was taking place, I locked up, sound and all just as before and was forced to reboot)
Still not sure what the problem is but it seems to occur less frequently now... still wont be 100% satisfied until I can discover and prevent the problem alltogether though. ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
sharp80
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Posted - 2006.03.25 02:14:00 -
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Audigy 2. Thats your problem. The devs need to investigate why the Audigy 2 doesnt work well in-game. 90% of people who report this issue, have audigy2 sound cards. I also have the same problem.. and an audigy
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.25 03:44:00 -
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Really? I wouldn't have thought it would be that, especially since audio has been disabled for Eve. Although I guess the programming could still access DirectSound every now and then. ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
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Sharp82
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Posted - 2006.03.25 07:37:00 -
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I cant say for sure, but i installed a custom driver for my audigy and the game hasnt crashed once.. I found that game crashing would occur when the game is under heavy load... where shots are fired, engines are powered etc. all taht good stuff.. then zap, restart
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.25 18:47:00 -
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What was the custom driver that installed? If possible, I wouldn't mind trying it myself. ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.25 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Mysterious Stranger on 25/03/2006 21:09:24 Okay, I tried the kxproject drivers without success, infact the lockup occurred on the login screen again. So I switched back to the latest Creative drivers.
I started taking a look at their forums and found out that many people are having problems with their Audigy2 soundcards so I read through a few posts. Perhaps I should feel lucky that my only problems reside with Eve.
I switched my Sound Acceleration to "No Acceleration" in dxdiag but I still got a lock up... in fact, it was so bad it corrupted my BIOS... I reset the bios, rebooted and switched my sound to "Full Acceleration" and am back in action.
Now I've disabled the 1394 Controller and the Game Port driver via Device Manager. If this doesn't fix it I'm not sure what else to try. ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.25 23:07:00 -
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So two hours have gone by and I'm still orbitting around objects in space without a single crash.
Listening to music via Winamp and most amazingly I enabled sound in Eve about 15 mins into the latest testing. Seems to be doing well so far.
I'm assuming it has something to do with disabling the 1394 Controller drivers (both on the mobo and soundcard) as well as the gameport drivers via Device Manager.
I'll post if I end up crashing out. ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
Malakai0
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Posted - 2006.03.26 09:21:00 -
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Exact same problem here, the game freezes, then sound freezes/starts looping/loops then freezes, then it either all starts right back up for it permafreezes and requires a reboot. I had always assumed it had something to do with my videocard or vid drivers but since I use a nvidia 6600gt and you use ATi that cannot be the case. My system:
Athlon 3700+ San Diego core Asrock 939-dual sata2 2x 512mb corsair pc3200 Nvidia 6600gt Creative Audigy 2 ZS
I only see one connection between our systems, but disabling sound doesn't help :(
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.26 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mysterious Stranger on 26/03/2006 18:16:04 The only thing disabling sound did for me was give me a little bit more time before a freeze occurred. If you feel comfortable trying this out, give it a shot and see if it works for you (the steps are reversable).
1. Right click on "My Computer" and choose properties.
2. Click the "Hardware" tab.
3. Click the "Device Manager" button.
4. In the new window, expand the "IEEE 1394 Host Controllers" tab.
5. Disable "OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller" (I believe that's the Audigy2 Controller). You just right click on it and choose "Disable". [Note: I actually disabled ALL of my 1394 controllers since I don't use them, I have one on my motherboard as well]
6. Expand the "Sound, video and game controllers" tab
7. Disable Creative Game Port
8. Reboot and try Eve!
Give it a shot and see if it works for you. Eve has been extremely stable since without any problems, glitches, weird crashes or anything. Best of all... Sound is fully enabled within Eve and I'm still not having any problems. This is after playing Eve for about 6 hours in the last day since I've tried this proposed fix. (Haven't rebooted either).
If it doesn't work and you would like to re-enable the devices, just repeat the above steps and when it you get to the disable step, the option is replaced with "Enable". Pretty easy to revert back to your orgional setup.
Good Luck :) ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
Tempest Prime
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Posted - 2006.03.27 22:49:00 -
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I found a simpler and more direct fix for my version of the issue.
The game was not outright crashing on me, but I did get this periodic hitch (or hiccup if you will) that annoyed me to no end. I went into my network connections and disabled the IEEE1394 network connection that is installed whenever you have a firewire adapter in XP/Server 2003. I haven't seen any of the same hitches since last night when I disabled the connection. I did not go in and disable the IEEE1394 adapter altogether, nor did I disable the game port. I hope that info helps someone narrow things down.
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.27 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tempest Prime I found a simpler and more direct fix for my version of the issue.
The game was not outright crashing on me, but I did get this periodic hitch (or hiccup if you will) that annoyed me to no end. I went into my network connections and disabled the IEEE1394 network connection that is installed whenever you have a firewire adapter in XP/Server 2003. I haven't seen any of the same hitches since last night when I disabled the connection. I did not go in and disable the IEEE1394 adapter altogether, nor did I disable the game port. I hope that info helps someone narrow things down.
Hey that's cool, and would be much easier as well (especially for those who need the 1394 controller). Maybe I will try that when I get home tonight. I know there were a lot of complaints in the Creative forums when I was investigating the issue. The new X-fi series has a post with over 1100 replies
The joys of multiple components in one piece of hardware attempting to work in harmony I guess
Has anyone else had any success with the proposed fix? ------------------------------------------- "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who |
Grez
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Posted - 2006.03.29 05:25:00 -
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Ok, I have no problem with my Audigy 2 ZS card ( still an Audigy 2 ). So I thought I'd give the specs this machine to help with your problem solving.
AMD 64 3500+ Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe Radeon X1900XTX
Those are pretty much the only important things that could be related to this sort of crash...
I've owned two Audigy 2's (one was a ZS, the other was just the normal one), both have never had a problem with my machine.
Have you guys checked your IRQ's to see if the A2 is sharing with something else?
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.29 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Mysterious Stranger on 29/03/2006 07:04:50
Originally by: Grez Have you guys checked your IRQ's to see if the A2 is sharing with something else?
Yep, the Audigy2 has it's own IRQ so that shouldn't be the problem.
I find it really odd how some people have no problems whatsoever while others have a lot of problems. It seems like either a hardware conflict or a driver conflict of some sort. I'm leaning towards a driver issue but perhaps it could even be a QA issue when they're manufacturing the actual cards.
Thank you for adding your system specs though, perhaps we can get more specs and determine what may actually be causing these problems in the first place ------------------------------------------- Hard work MAY pay off later, but procrastination always pays off now! |
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Armagedon Tired
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Posted - 2006.03.29 10:02:00 -
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I have an Audigy 1 card model No: SB0090 (yes long overdue for retirement I know) in my PC which I believe also has firewire and game ports and I am also geting random crashes. These "random" crashes seem to be much more frequent when I have 2 clients running which pretty much makes my "Power of 2" a waste of time.
I will try disabling the MOBO 1394 and the Audigy one tonight and see how that works. My machine is: Athlon 3000xp Barton (32 Bit), 1GB Ram, Radeon X800 128MB, Audigy 1 and the MOBO is an ASUS (but I can't remember which model).
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Grez
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Posted - 2006.03.29 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 29/03/2006 10:44:38 I don't think it's the firewire ports, I don't have a problem with mine, so you lot shouldn't have a problem with yours.
What we need to start doing is ganging up processors with Audigy 2's, motherboard chipsets with Audigy 2's, etc, etc, and see if there's any relation.
I've got an NFORCE4 motherboard, and I have NO problem with the audigy 2, so perhaps this is a problem with NFORCE2 & 3 boards? I know the NFORCE2 mobo had cap problems because of it's internal clock.
More system spec's ladies!
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Zarinalis
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Posted - 2006.03.29 14:53:00 -
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Firewire disabled on MOBO and Audigy cards and I managed to run 2 eve accounts all lunch time with out the slightest little hickup. It is early days but it looks like this problem is solved.
Re the post above I don't know exactly where the conflict lies but this appears to have solved the problem for me so now it is up to the devs to find a full solution to this bug.
Thanks Mysterious Stranger for documenting your problems and posting all the info you found here as I would never have thaught of disabling the firewire port in a million years!
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.29 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Grez Edited by: Grez on 29/03/2006 10:44:38 I don't think it's the firewire ports, I don't have a problem with mine, so you lot shouldn't have a problem with yours.
What we need to start doing is ganging up processors with Audigy 2's, motherboard chipsets with Audigy 2's, etc, etc, and see if there's any relation.
I've got an NFORCE4 motherboard, and I have NO problem with the audigy 2, so perhaps this is a problem with NFORCE2 & 3 boards? I know the NFORCE2 mobo had cap problems because of it's internal clock.
More system spec's ladies!
Right now with the data we have we can only speculate it is in fact the 1394 controller. If we can get some more system specs together perhaps we can discover what is the true factor in this problem.
Out of curiosity, what driver are you using for the 1394 on your Audigy?
I'm using the OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller Driver Provider: Microsoft Driver Date: 7/1/2001 Driver Version: 5.1.2535.0 Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows Publisher
I think it may be a driver issue but I don't have enough information to confirm that.
If possible would everyone with a Creative card be able to post their system specs? Here is what we're looking for. (The more specific the better)
CPU: (ex. AMD64 3200+) Motherboard: (ex. MSI Neo2 Platinum, nForce3) Ram: 2x 512 megs OCZ PC3200 Rev2 2x 512 megs Samsung PC3200 Timings 2.5-3-3-8 @ 400 Mhz Graphics: ATI 9800 Pro All-in-Wonder Sound: Audigy2 ZS OS: Windows XP Pro /w SP2
Did Eve run without proposed fix?: No Does Eve run after disabling the 1394 controller on the Audigy2?: Yes
Something like that would help us gather more information and potentially help solve this issue once and for all. ------------------------------------------- Hard work MAY pay off later, but procrastination always pays off now! |
Grez
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Posted - 2006.03.29 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 29/03/2006 18:58:35
Originally by: Mysterious Stranger
Originally by: Grez Edited by: Grez on 29/03/2006 10:44:38 I don't think it's the firewire ports, I don't have a problem with mine, so you lot shouldn't have a problem with yours.
What we need to start doing is ganging up processors with Audigy 2's, motherboard chipsets with Audigy 2's, etc, etc, and see if there's any relation.
I've got an NFORCE4 motherboard, and I have NO problem with the audigy 2, so perhaps this is a problem with NFORCE2 & 3 boards? I know the NFORCE2 mobo had cap problems because of it's internal clock.
More system spec's ladies!
Right now with the data we have we can only speculate it is in fact the 1394 controller. If we can get some more system specs together perhaps we can discover what is the true factor in this problem.
Out of curiosity, what driver are you using for the 1394 on your Audigy?
Default, never changed the Creative drivers, been meaning too, but the whole EAX and MIXER console not recognizing the updated drivers is too annoying, so I stick with the defaults.
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I'm using the OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller Driver Provider: Microsoft Driver Date: 7/1/2001 Driver Version: 5.1.2535.0 Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows Publisher
I think it may be a driver issue but I don't have enough information to confirm that.
Just checked mine, and that's exactly what I have.
@Zarinalis
Do you have an Nforce motherboard?
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Emilia Bluu
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Posted - 2006.03.29 20:49:00 -
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have the same problem but disabling the 1394 thing doesnt help and i dont have the creative thing in my sound video and game controllers . Can i get some help here ? And how do i see what components my pc has 'cause i'm kinda new at this .
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.29 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Emilia Bluu have the same problem but disabling the 1394 thing doesnt help and i dont have the creative thing in my sound video and game controllers . Can i get some help here ? And how do i see what components my pc has 'cause i'm kinda new at this .
Did you just disable the 1394 connection in Network Connections? If so, try the following...
Right click on "My Computer" and choose properties Click the "Hardware" tab and then click "Device Manager" In the new window that pops up choose "IEEE 1394 Bus host controllers" Right click on "OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller" and choose "Disable" in the menu that pops up. Restart and try Eve. ------------------------------------------- Hard work MAY pay off later, but procrastination always pays off now! |
Emilia Bluu
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Posted - 2006.03.29 23:01:00 -
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Yeah i disabled it but it freezes up again and i got to reboot .. Can i do anything else to fix the problem or do i have to buy a new pc ? lol
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Mysterious Stranger
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Posted - 2006.03.29 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: Mysterious Stranger on 29/03/2006 23:49:21 Edited by: Mysterious Stranger on 29/03/2006 23:48:09
Originally by: Emilia Bluu Yeah i disabled it but it freezes up again and i got to reboot .. Can i do anything else to fix the problem or do i have to buy a new pc ? lol
Did you disable the Creative Gameport driver under the sound area too?
Also, which sound drivers are you using for your Audigy? Perhaps you could try downloading/installing the latest drivers off of the Creative website?
Could you list your computer specifications for us? This will help is try to find a fix for your problem.
If you're really feeling ambitious and are comfortable doing it, you could try taking the Audigy2 card out of the PCI slot of your motherboard, reboot and try playing Eve to see if the crash occurs again. If it does the cause is something else in your computer and not the card itself. ------------------------------------------- Hard work MAY pay off later, but procrastination always pays off now! |
Emilia Bluu
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Posted - 2006.03.30 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Emilia Bluu on 30/03/2006 00:25:07 I think i was able to fix it i tweaked a little with the whole sound thing and have been playing for 2 hours str8 without a problem i'm happy thanks for the help boyos .
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