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Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.09 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Stone Hammer on 09/09/2003 20:21:18
Greetings,
The Techell Corporation is trying to help in the fight against "Ore Thieves". As of now players that run into "Ore Thieves" while mining can report these players and their actions to the Techell Corporation.
To report these players simply send an Eve Mail to myself (Stone Hammer) in game and I will document these players personally. The Techell Corporation will update their website weekly with the names of these players for all to see, along with the number of complaints by different miners, and the systems they have been stealing in.
As to try to better serve our loyal customers we will not do business with any reported "Ore Thieves" so as to help prevent their further progression in the game as best we can. The Eve Forums will also be updated weekly with these names for all to see, and allow those that have been robed in the past the ability to spot these individuals in Empire Space.
The "Ore Thieves" admit that theirs is an ocupation of crime, and for the most part their is nothing you can do about it but protect yourself as best you can by using secure containers. However regardless of that fact there is now a way to track these thieves and a little added risk involved in their day to day business of stealing.
In short please feel free to report these players to myself. Include whatever information you can to help other players avoid this misfortune as best they can.
Thanks,
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CLONE 9
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Posted - 2003.09.09 19:14:00 -
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There is no spoon ...
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Why is it so easy to steal ore ?
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The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargohold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.
This risk should be known to all players and there will be no reimbursement for ore lost this way. Also, ore "theft" is not considered harrassment so no punishment will be dealt out to those who choose to "steal". Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.
CCP has decided to meet players halfway by implementing secure containers that can be bought on the market and have the advantage of being equipped with a password lock. These containers cost money and do not hold the vast amount of ore that the regular containers do. However, with good organization and frequent ore pickups using Industrial ships, they can be very useful for large scale mining operations.
The bottom line is: If you use regular containers to store your ore you assume all the risk. Having your valuables floating in space in an unsecure container is equivelant to throwing money on the street. Should you lurk nearby and wait for someone to take the money and then attack him, the police would deal with you, not him. The same goes in Eve. If you attack a player who just took "your" ore from a regular container in a system with a security level of 0.5 or higher. You will be destroyed by Concord.
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Dala Grey
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Posted - 2003.09.09 20:44:00 -
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I admire your stance.
Just because you CAN do something, dosen't mean you SHOULD......
This is why we have morals.
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Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.10 01:40:00 -
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Thank you Dala...
I am aware that this will not prevent this type of thing from happening, however anything we can do to help others, and maybe give them fair warning, is well worth the time of goign through several e-mails.
Thanks again,
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Cptn Stardust
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Posted - 2003.09.10 04:37:00 -
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open to abuse.
some ppl are *******s plain and simple.
what is stopping someone from naming another person they dislike, but that person may NOT be an ore thief?
You'd better get proof of this before you start making 'black-lists' or wtf |
Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.10 08:47:00 -
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open to abuse.
some ppl are *******s plain and simple.
what is stopping someone from naming another person they dislike, but that person may NOT be an ore thief?
You'd better get proof of this before you start making 'black-lists' or wtf
I am relying on honesty when I am sent these names. However should someone be reported that is not an ore thief I have all the names of the individuals that have reported them and actions will be taken.
Everything can be abused, but we do what we can to manage the little things.
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Quagmire
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Posted - 2003.09.11 10:24:00 -
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The problem that you're going to have with this is that in EVE, taking ore from a jettisoned container is not considered stealing. CCP say that the container isn't yours, and neither is anything you choose to place in it. If you come across a container with items in it, you can take it with no legal repurcussions. It is not a crime. The act of jettisoning items means you're giving it to the public domain. Most of the time, you can get to it first (with your hauler or whatever) but because you placed it into the public domain, someone else can quite easy claim those goods as their own.
Once again, it is not a crime.
Of course, CCP advise that to get around this, you use secure containers. But everyone knows they don't hold anything like a decent amount for mining purposes. This is a shame. I'd happy pay millions for a secure container with the same capacity as a standard jettisoned container.
Don't get me wrong; it annoys the hell out of me when I get hit by these so-called ore thieves. I've even had my harvesters taken by them (which can be considered my fault). I wish I'd see a few of these people in 0.0 so I can wipe them out. But they stay within protected systems and can get away with it. Such is life.
My advice? You can't beat them, so join them. Create an alternative character, train them to pilot a Bestower or other hauling ship, then take to the belts and take whatever's around. It's perfectly legal and if the original ore owners cared so much, they'd use secure containers, right? I'm strongly thinking about doing this myself.
I don't like it, but that's the way it is.
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Siin Wu
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Posted - 2003.09.11 11:10:00 -
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ok to steal from cans is 1 thing but to steal a drone you own should not be possible when you are using em. atm i cant scob in anyway any of my buddys drones in only watch them in space so if you have lost drones in space a bug has happend to you. just so you know it.
I also hate ore thieves/can *****s and you cant do a thing about it... or can you? I have been aproach by up to 3 corps that only hunts can *****s for a small isk pay and they kill them several times wich actualy maked 1 pay us 1mill back wich he stoled in ore from us so it works. I hope more "police" corp's comes to game and the concord will be more "normal" in there head so they can kill this pests for honest players.
Last thing is those secure cans. for once some can be abused so ppl can get passed the password on some others are directly bug as we speak but ofc. when they work and perhaps get a tiny bit bigger then they are now it will then also kill the can ***** buisness. 
And Stone Hammer i hope im not on your list for im not a can thieve. But i have names on 4 thieves wich each i have some corp members can confirm is thieves. i might if i can get some info about how you are planing to take precautions to not get ppl who aint thieves on the "hit" list.
Fear is the path to the dark side! Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. |
Stone Hammer
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Posted - 2003.09.11 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Stone Hammer on 11/09/2003 11:46:07
The following is the list of Ore Thieves the Techell Corporation has collected to date. To add anyone to this list that you have seen stealing ore, to include those that have stolen your own, please message Stone Hammer with as much information as possible. This list is updated weekly to help keep people aware of who is in their system that may be an ore thief.
Algogille System
Fred Conquer
Hagandro
Christy Chance
Squirrel
Amarr System
Droyal
Capietenne
Raziel00
Kalhan (2)
RaSatan
Tekkaman
Eram System
Hooded Mouse
Goram System
Starrats
Barnett
Verminard
Hentogaira System
Trouble Maker
Karkazz
Niyahainen System
EvilJohn (3)
Maria007 (2)
EVE Player 44 (2)
Unknown System Thieves
Sim2Killa
Ganster
Okidoke
God Tohe
Whateverman
Gold Brick
Buba
Just Leonard
Gold Block
Missevil
Obiwan Jr
Yarr
Father Judas
The Techell Corporation would like to thank those that have reported ore thieves to help make mining a little safer, or at least give miners a chance to see who is in the system with them. While the Techell Corporation is simply gathering this information to assist miners, several feelance corporations are on the hunt. If you should happen to have a corpse of one of these ore thieves listed above please contact me in game. Several people that have reported ore thieves are willing to pay for their corpse, and offers have been in the millions. I have a list of who has reported these thieves and will contact them to see if they want to mount the corpse on their hanger wall.
If your name is listed above and you have never stolen any ore please message me in game and we will get the matter resolved.
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CLONE 9
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Posted - 2003.09.16 05:45:00 -
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Eh??? Let me get this straight - you're accepting in game eve-mails from anyone and adding the names you get to your list of ore thieves? So how do you verify those names are actual ore thieves and what do you do if people start just sending you the names of people they don't like?
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Dmitry Vassilikov
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Posted - 2003.09.16 20:34:00 -
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i just want to say that ore thieves are the lowest of the low - I don't care what anyones got to say about them but they're just bad.
Further more - there should be a way of going at them in 1.0 space - I lost 3 ships today because i warp scrambled and then kicked an ore thief in 1.0. I could afford it but theres those that can't - newbies are these ú$&^úers' main targets - the guy I saw has apparently even ripped off a group of guys mining on their first ever time. I've been playing for a while and love the game but those poor new guys were not happy - 2 of the 3 of them got the hell in and logged.
I'm gonna pursue this idiot through more 1.0 systems till I get a frozen corpse and if I make his life difficult then all the better.
The guy is Called Kaysa by the way and operates in the Pator area in Heimata.
If people see an ore thief in action thye should shout out a warning in local - tell the other miners to pack it up for a bit and let the thief move on - or get a thick minded oaf like me to come in and have a go no matter what the odds.
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Radis
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Posted - 2003.09.17 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Radis on 17/09/2003 09:47:06
I dont get you people!
And its your own fault if you put ore in a cointainer and it gets stolen.
If your foolsih enough to put your ore in containers you deserv to be stolen from!!!
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Faith Sparrow
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Posted - 2003.09.17 10:21:00 -
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I have never had ore stolen from me and I always use the infinity containers. If the game designers never intended for them to be used this way, then stfw. Try running a real rpg game and telling your players that you never intended for some magic item you gave them to be used that way. It's called creative thinking and its something any real role player knows all about.
As for this public domain bs, it is just that bs. They are trying to tell me and everyone else that they can't tell the program to treat you 'jettisoned' containers differently than loot containers? That is a load and they know it. They just don't want to write the code for it for whatever reason.
Furthermore, whoever actually had the gall to say that just because it's jettisoned means its freegame is lacking in common intelligence. While I do agree with the concept of letting morals play into how you play the game; I do not agree that just because ore is sitting there that you have a 'right' to it. As someone else who quoted Spiderman said; just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Trying to play this off as if its the miners fault is supremely silly.
Yet then you have people complain about people afk minning asteroid belts. Well excuse me but some of us do have a life away from the computer and to get anywhere in the game you need isk. So if someone lets their computer sit as their indy ship is minning then what is the harm? Its not as if there is a shortage of 'roids.
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sphendar
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Posted - 2003.09.17 11:17:00 -
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 what is the big deal? If you dont like the way that concord runs things then move out of empire space and kill any ore thief that comes along! I really dont understand what all the fuss is about.
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Radis
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Posted - 2003.09.18 09:40:00 -
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and if you guys have a problem with ore theives . Then go cry some where else. Stealing is one of many ways to get an income.
Like faith Sparrow said. you got to be creative
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vixit
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Posted - 2003.09.19 21:45:00 -
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Player: Imal Jaykciw
Region: Essence
Constellation: Crux
Ore Thief!
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nono
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Posted - 2003.09.28 16:43:00 -
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and if you guys have a problem with ore theives . Then go cry some where else. Stealing is one of many ways to get an income.
Like faith Sparrow said. you got to be creative
Who's crying? They are killing.
Looks like there being creative with a problem.
*dug from page 301. Wtf is a current post doin hiding WAY down there.
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.09.28 17:06:00 -
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Where's my name? 
But yeah, now you have no excuse to _not_ use secure cargo containers. They work properly and if you're going to Mine in a Cruiser, or Battleship, with Harvesting Drones and not utilise secure canisters...you deserve to be stolen from.
Hell, it's helped me through many, MANY Agent missions.
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.09.28 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Gan Ning on 28/09/2003 17:31:42
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.09.28 17:33:00 -
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please..Techell is doing this to loss over their image after the Miner 2/Megacyte annoncment
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.28 17:35:00 -
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Err so anyone who emails you can get other people names posted up..
Talk about slander lol
PS i will email you a list of people i dont like, pls add them..
Mercenary | The Azath |
Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.09.28 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 28/09/2003 17:35:45
double post
Mercenary | The Azath |
Trixxy
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Posted - 2003.09.28 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Trixxy on 28/09/2003 18:08:49
Heh heh - I LIKE it.
The issue is no longer about whether scavenging ore from people's containers is theft or not. We now have a corp volunteering to exact your revenge for you. So ore thieves are still free to take whatever ore they want, but they now need to accept that there's some risk to the occupation: Techell (with all their kerzillions from Miner II sales) will be out to get yuh.
Eve society is making it's own laws, and there's squat that ore thieves can do about it. That is the game as it is INTENDED to be played.
Nice one.
(Disclaimer: I am neither for, nor against ore thieves. It's a valid part of the game. Discard ore in a public container at your own peril. Now, as it turns out, steal ore from a public container at your own peril).
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H3R0
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Posted - 2003.09.28 20:54:00 -
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Orethief - Tank Ceo
where abouts - 0.0
CEO - The Allies |
H3R0
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Posted - 2003.09.28 21:12:00 -
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why isnt LameHacker on the list, or wait he isnt an big orethief, only got an big mouth in the forum.
Not many other orethiefs wanna brag bout having the lowest piratejob
But well maybe when he grow balls he will coem with his l337 frigate and blow some asteroids in 0.4 and below.
CEO - The Allies |
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