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Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:05:00 -
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Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. |
Savnire Jacitu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
256
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:07:00 -
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40 mil....try much much much higher. <corrupt> |
TharOkha
0asis Group
715
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:08:00 -
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okay . |
Bi-Mi Lansatha
RillaCorp The Kadeshi
277
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:15:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:...depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice...
Are you playing Eve?
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
961
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:18:00 -
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Must be new to Eve if he thinks 40 million will get rid of the perceived menace. |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
37
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:24:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. So while you poor miners have nothing to do because he got all the ice, why don't you stay up to the guy, take the piles of AFK ISK you earned before and suicide gank that freighter? If you need some advice how to do this I am sure we can help you.
You could also start to bump his mining ships out of range. This way you don't lose sec status. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/become-agent.html
If you really want to gank his ships, start by learning how the game works: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.html
And believe me when I tell you it will be fun for a change.
Help us to save highsec. thank you for your time. |
Tebizla
4
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:30:00 -
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I lol'd a bit. Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ... |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1010
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:30:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good.
Are they in a player corp or NPC corp? If its wardeccable just contact our corp and we might do it by the cost of the war dec only if they are so easy to find. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1334
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:31:00 -
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The Great Osmon Menace of 2014.
All your Ice are belong to us. Make your time. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18705
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:31:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. Welcome to competition. There are no GÇ£sharesGÇ¥. It isn't theirs until and unless it's in their cargo holds.
Quote:Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially. HehGǪ yeah, you're probably going to need to add a zero or two onto that before anyone bites. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
182
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:32:00 -
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a freighter has what... 400k ehp? to kill it would take a considerable number of ships.
one thing about it is you're goinf to find that ice isn't really worth enough to pay for the ships used to gank. The thing that makes his operation profitable is the above issue and the fact that he is depriving his competition of resources. The combination of pushing others out through the speed of his fleet and the low return on offensive action means killing him probably isn't worth it actually. LP store weapon cost rebalance |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:33:00 -
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Just like I said, beside me there would be dozens of other miners who are more than willing to pitch in, so the end sum would be real decent. Besides there are enough of enthusiast groups in Eve like Goons who'd be more than willing and happy to do it for free. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
1102
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:33:00 -
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maybe you should mine ice somewhere else and not be such a little girl about it? "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18705
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:35:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:a freighter has what... 400k ehp? to kill it would take a considerable number of ships. Nah. Around 200. You can get some of the JFs up to 400 if you slave it up. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
The Legendary Soldier
Rock Botherers
351
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. Welcome to competition. There are no GÇ£sharesGÇ¥. It isn't theirs until and unless it's in their cargo holds.
Even then, it's still open for discussion :p Need to place a high-sec POS? Premade corps for sale, or your corps standings boosted. Trading since January 2012. Many corps sold/boosted - see my thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63128&find=unread |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
18705
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:39:00 -
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The Legendary Soldier wrote:Tippia wrote:It isn't theirs until and unless it's in their cargo holds. Even then, it's still open for discussion :p WeeeellGǪ it's theirs at that point, but it's not like it's a permanent stateGǪ
I suppose GÇ£discussionGÇ¥ could be a euphemism of sorts. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:40:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. Are they in a player corp or NPC corp? If its wardeccable just contact our corp and we might do it by the cost of the war dec only if they are so easy to find.
I believe Procurers are all NPC corp members actually. Procurer pilots dont have surnames, only firstnames. All are less than two weeks old. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2340
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:46:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:a freighter has what... 400k ehp? to kill it would take a considerable number of ships.
one thing about it is you're goinf to find that ice isn't really worth enough to pay for the ships used to gank. The thing that makes his operation profitable is the above issue and the fact that he is depriving his competition of resources. The combination of pushing others out through the speed of his fleet and the low return on offensive action means killing him probably isn't worth it actually. 200k tops. You can overkill it with like 25 T1 catalysts, or like 15 T2s (ballpark tilted towards safety, I can't remember the exact numbers). So that would be like 75m-150m to execute the gank.
That said, if he has 30 miners on ice with orca support, he can replace a freighter ever 2 hours with change. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:49:00 -
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Miners aren't particularly sexy. :/ it's okay to look... ;) |
Miasmos
Aliastra Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:53:00 -
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Some of your available options:
1) Smartbomb the procurer fleet or target the freighter. 2) Make a thread, instill rage on fellow Osmon miners, get them to contribute to the "mercenary pot" and walk away with it. |
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Neo Kathura
New Order of Highsec
25
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:54:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. I'll do it. I've got a number of gankers under my control. I'll do you a deal. For every 40m transferred to me I'll gank a freighter or orca of his. I'll start as soon as the first payment goes across. |
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:56:00 -
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I let my boobees wiggle about it and as it tickled nicely, I'm willing.......... to donate 100 Million ISK to this. But only if I can be sure they won't get abused. The 100 Million ISK. ;) it's okay to look... ;) |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4129
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:59:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good.
highlighter your problem. Ther eis no such thing as a fair share in EVE. Don't like miner fleet, mine faster than them, or go get friends/alts of your own and mine them out of existence.
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Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:01:00 -
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Alyth Nerun wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. So while you poor miners have nothing to do because he got all the ice, why don't you stay up to the guy, take the piles of AFK ISK you earned before and suicide gank that freighter? If you need some advice how to do this I am sure we can help you. You could also start to bump his mining ships out of range. This way you don't lose sec status. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/become-agent.htmlIf you really want to gank his ships, start by learning how the game works: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.htmlAnd believe me when I tell you it will be fun for a change. Help us to save highsec. thank you for your time.
Interesting information. Thank you. New Order pilots still active? Problem is most miners got tail between their legs when it comes to action, cant even organize worth damn even in their own interests. |
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
174
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:04:00 -
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i could share my 9200ms thrasher fit which is a very powerfull bumper, i rammed an incursion BS to 4000ms with it last night - 4000ms in the opposite direction it was traveling initially!
no one is going to be able to overcome that level of bumpage for an extended duration |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:07:00 -
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Neo Kathura wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. I'll do it. I've got a number of gankers under my control. I'll do you a deal. For every 40m transferred to me I'll gank a freighter or orca of his. I'll start as soon as the first payment goes across.
Want to see that kill mail first, then you get your isk, dont forget to advertise your detailed kill mail in local, and ask miner folks for donations, they'd be more than happy to give you their isk for each kill. |
Neo Kathura
New Order of Highsec
25
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:11:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Neo Kathura wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. I'll do it. I've got a number of gankers under my control. I'll do you a deal. For every 40m transferred to me I'll gank a freighter or orca of his. I'll start as soon as the first payment goes across. Want to see that kill mail first, then you get your isk, dont forget to advertise your detailed kill mail in local, and ask miner folks for donations, they'd be more than happy to give you their isk for each kill. So you want me to swoop in, save the day costing me more than I'm likely to get in loot, and then you might pay me afterwards? I think not. Mercs don't work on credit.
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Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:19:00 -
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Neo Kathura wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Neo Kathura wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. I'll do it. I've got a number of gankers under my control. I'll do you a deal. For every 40m transferred to me I'll gank a freighter or orca of his. I'll start as soon as the first payment goes across. Want to see that kill mail first, then you get your isk, dont forget to advertise your detailed kill mail in local, and ask miner folks for donations, they'd be more than happy to give you their isk for each kill. So you want me to swoop in, save the day costing me more than I'm likely to get in loot, and then you might pay me afterwards? I think not. Mercs don't work on credit.
For now your words are impotent , cant trust you untill I see the result, produce a kill of LuckySentry's freighter in Osmon in a crowded ice belt, then advertize it, you'll be showered with miner's isk, my 40 million isk also be included. |
Neo Kathura
New Order of Highsec
25
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:26:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Neo Kathura wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:
Want to see that kill mail first, then you get your isk, dont forget to advertise your detailed kill mail in local, and ask miner folks for donations, they'd be more than happy to give you their isk for each kill.
So you want me to swoop in, save the day costing me more than I'm likely to get in loot, and then you might pay me afterwards? I think not. Mercs don't work on credit. For now your words are impotent , cant trust you untill I see the result, produce a kill of LuckySentry's freighter in Osmon in a crowded ice belt, then advertize it, you'll be showered withminer's isk, my 40 million isk included. I don't think so. You'll get exactly what you want and have no reason to pay out.
I tell you what, you can continue on your path of trying to find a merc that will work for credit. What I might do instead is heroically protect him and gank and bump other miners in Osmon ice belts. If I'm going to be taking a bet on being showered with isk, it will be from the guy making billions per hour rather than the guy who is struggling to get "his share".
Don't worry though, the offer will stand. Once you've been bumped out of the belt and/or killed a few times, perhaps you'll change your tune. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1205
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:30:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Must be new to Eve if he thinks 40 million will get rid of the perceived menace.
Well, considering what all the gankers spout about profitability of their actions and the fact that they are blood thirsty for actions, I would think 40 mill + would just be icing on the cake; right? |
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Dave Stark
4111
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:32:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Since problem is ignored
the only problem here is you whining.
and that really should be ignored. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
181
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:32:00 -
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Multiboxing is valid gameplay. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:39:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Since problem is ignored ice miners aren't an issue. the only problem here is you whining. and that really should be ignored.
Not whining. Just proposing a fair deal which would leave both trigger happy types and miners real content. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:44:00 -
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Neo Kathura wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Neo Kathura wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:
Want to see that kill mail first, then you get your isk, dont forget to advertise your detailed kill mail in local, and ask miner folks for donations, they'd be more than happy to give you their isk for each kill.
So you want me to swoop in, save the day costing me more than I'm likely to get in loot, and then you might pay me afterwards? I think not. Mercs don't work on credit. For now your words are impotent , cant trust you untill I see the result, produce a kill of LuckySentry's freighter in Osmon in a crowded ice belt, then advertize it, you'll be showered withminer's isk, my 40 million isk included. I don't think so. You'll get exactly what you want and have no reason to pay out. I tell you what, you can continue on your path of trying to find a merc that will work for credit. What I might do instead is heroically protect him and gank and bump other miners in Osmon ice belts. If I'm going to be taking a bet on being showered with isk, it will be from the guy making billions per hour rather than the guy who is struggling to get "his share". Don't worry though, the offer will stand. Once you've been bumped out of the belt and/or killed a few times, perhaps you'll change your tune.
Do your math its not billions p/h not even a billion per hour. Choice is yours, you may mooch as much money out of him as you dare, then get ganked and podded defending his assets. Choice is yours. |
Dave Stark
4111
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:45:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Since problem is ignored ice miners aren't an issue. the only problem here is you whining. and that really should be ignored. Not whining. Just proposing a fair deal which would leave both trigger happy types and miners real content.
no,
Chicknhawk wrote:depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. is pretty much whining. |
Neo Kathura
New Order of Highsec
26
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:47:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Since problem is ignored ice miners aren't an issue. the only problem here is you whining. and that really should be ignored. Not whining. Just proposing a fair deal which would leave both trigger happy types and miners real content. Yes, a fair deal. If you sacrifice yourself to kill a multiboxer to increase his profits, he might give you a small amount of isk for it.
You realise regular mercs would charge in the billions for the task you have set right?
The problem (for you) is us trigger happy types can in fact make ourselves even more content by killing you. The tears will definitely be tastier. |
Neo Kathura
New Order of Highsec
26
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:49:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Neo Kathura wrote:I don't think so. You'll get exactly what you want and have no reason to pay out.
I tell you what, you can continue on your path of trying to find a merc that will work for credit. What I might do instead is heroically protect him and gank and bump other miners in Osmon ice belts. If I'm going to be taking a bet on being showered with isk, it will be from the guy making billions per hour rather than the guy who is struggling to get "his share".
Don't worry though, the offer will stand. Once you've been bumped out of the belt and/or killed a few times, perhaps you'll change your tune. Do your math its not billions p/h not even a billion per hour. Choice is yours, you may mooch as much money out of him as you dare, then get ganked and podded defending his assets. Choice is yours. If it's 30, it's around 700 mil. You've put 30+. If it's the guy I think it is he multiboxes multiple systems and in fact has over 90 miners.
Who's going to pod me? You? :D Even if you do, I don't think I'll sweat the empty pod. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:50:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:Multiboxing is valid gameplay.
Well if he multiboxed in a system with low population, there would be no problems. But that conscienceless inconsiderate of others parasite multiboxes in very high population system, he is not alone in there yet he acts as whole system's ice belongs to him. |
Dave Stark
4112
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:54:00 -
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Chicknhawk wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Multiboxing is valid gameplay. Well if he multiboxed in a system with low population, there would be no problems. But that conscienceless inconsiderate of others parasite multiboxes in very high population system, he is not alone in there yet he acts as whole system's ice belongs to him.
see, we're back to whining again.
and ironically; you're acting like all the ice belongs to you. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
531
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:54:00 -
[40] - Quote
You don't know he's botting. He could be ISBoxing his 30 man fleet. Still, spectacularly anti-social and/or would make me wonder about RMT, bot or no bot. I mean WHYYYYYY? |
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Dave Stark
4112
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:57:00 -
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Victoria Sin wrote:You don't know he's botting. He could be ISBoxing his 30 man fleet. Still, spectacularly anti-social and/or would make me wonder about RMT, bot or no bot. I mean WHYYYYYY? because mining is designed in such a way that having more than one physical person doing the activity is detrimental to said activity. the sad truth of mining, really. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:00:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Multiboxing is valid gameplay. Well if he multiboxed in a system with low population, there would be no problems. But that conscienceless inconsiderate of others parasite multiboxes in very high population system, he is not alone in there yet he acts as whole system's ice belongs to him. see, we're back to whining again. and ironically; you're acting like all the ice belongs to you.
Why you even advocating for that parasite? You havent even been to that system, you'd see lots of very uhappy folks in there, he messes everyone's cycle times and leaves them with nothing. Just fly to Osmon and spend some time with the people in ice belts in there. |
Dave Stark
4112
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:02:00 -
[43] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Multiboxing is valid gameplay. Well if he multiboxed in a system with low population, there would be no problems. But that conscienceless inconsiderate of others parasite multiboxes in very high population system, he is not alone in there yet he acts as whole system's ice belongs to him. see, we're back to whining again. and ironically; you're acting like all the ice belongs to you. are you a multiboxer yourself, why you even advocating for that parasite? You havent even been to that system, you'd see lots of very uhappy folks in there, he messes everyone's cycle times and leaves them with nothing. Just fly to Osmon and spend some time with the people in ice belts in there.
i haven't advocated for that 'parasite' once. i've just pointed out you're whining.
i've been to osmon many times. the fact it's full of whiners is relevant how? |
Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
182
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:08:00 -
[44] - Quote
Well I'm bored so I'm heading over there in a 9km/sec Coercer to bump some of them:) The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 16:09:00 -
[45] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Multiboxing is valid gameplay. Well if he multiboxed in a system with low population, there would be no problems. But that conscienceless inconsiderate of others parasite multiboxes in very high population system, he is not alone in there yet he acts as whole system's ice belongs to him. see, we're back to whining again. and ironically; you're acting like all the ice belongs to you. are you a multiboxer yourself, why you even advocating for that parasite? You havent even been to that system, you'd see lots of very uhappy folks in there, he messes everyone's cycle times and leaves them with nothing. Just fly to Osmon and spend some time with the people in ice belts in there. i haven't advocated for that 'parasite' once. i've just pointed out you're whining. i've been to osmon many times. the fact it's full of whiners is relevant how?
Since when asking for justice and fairness is considered to be whining? |
Neo Kathura
New Order of Highsec
26
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 16:10:00 -
[46] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Why you even advocating for that parasite? You havent even been to that system, you'd see lots of very uhappy folks in there, he messes everyone's cycle times and leaves them with nothing. Just fly to Osmon and spend some time with the people in ice belts in there. We don't care about the unhappy folks. Not even a little bit. If he's mining out all the belts though, then he's dropping the price of ice which is good for everyone that doesn't mine it. This is why if we are going to benefit from getting rid of him, great! If not, then we don't care about your tears (unless of course we are generating them, which is always good). |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6057
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 16:12:00 -
[47] - Quote
Tears, huh.
Well that's interesting I guess. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Dave Stark
4112
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 16:13:00 -
[48] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Since when asking for justice and fairness is considered to be a whining? considering that's not what you're doing; it's irrelevant.
you want the ice? mine it first. |
Coffin Packer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 16:18:00 -
[49] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote:Well I'm bored so I'm heading over there in a 9km/sec Coercer to bump some of them:)
I would really like to see that fit |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 16:21:00 -
[50] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Since when asking for justice and fairness is considered to be a whining? considering that's not what you're doing; it's irrelevant. you want the ice? mine it first.
Heh? Dont matter that multiboxer is online 24/7, mining first doesnt help either, attempted various methods trying to move to other belts and put enough distance between him and myself, takes him little over minute or two to mine out 140 strong ice rock. Only way out is for him to leave the system and find some ice belts in low populated system. One guy is screwing hundreds of people out of their ice. |
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Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
182
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:22:00 -
[51] - Quote
Certainly.
[Coercer, Bumper] Reactor Control Unit II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200
Prototype Cloaking Device I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I
Plus an 03 Acceleration implant = 9050m/s Without it's a lowly 8800 (That's with heat ofc)
Costs about 6mill
The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Dave stark
4112
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 16:23:00 -
[52] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Since when asking for justice and fairness is considered to be a whining? considering that's not what you're doing; it's irrelevant. you want the ice? mine it first. Heh? Dont matter that multiboxer is online 24/7, mining first doesnt help either, attempted various methods trying to move to other belts and put enough distance between him and myself, takes him little over minute or two to mine out 140 strong ice rock. Only way out is for him to leave the system and find some ice belts in low populated system. One guy is screwing hundreds of people out of their ice.
if it's their ice, why is it in his hangar? |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
38
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:23:00 -
[53] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Alyth Nerun wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. So while you poor miners have nothing to do because he got all the ice, why don't you stay up to the guy, take the piles of AFK ISK you earned before and suicide gank that freighter? If you need some advice how to do this I am sure we can help you. You could also start to bump his mining ships out of range. This way you don't lose sec status. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/become-agent.htmlIf you really want to gank his ships, start by learning how the game works: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.htmlAnd believe me when I tell you it will be fun for a change. Help us to save highsec. thank you for your time. Interesting information. Thank you. New Order pilots still active? Problem is most miners got tail between their legs when it comes to action, cant even organize worth damn even in their own interests. Yes we are more active than ever.
Someone has to take the initiative you can wait until someone else does and nothing will ever happen or you can do it yourself.
Get yourself a bumper ship and start bumping the bot's ships out of range, an example setup for a stabber can be found in the page I linked you. Share the setup with your miner friends and encourage them to help you bump his ships. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
620
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 16:46:00 -
[54] - Quote
The naivete in the OP (and his followup posts) is heartwarming.
Reminds me of when I was mining in an exequror, saving up to buy an incursus bpo so I could "make it rich". Then when I finally saved enough to buy the blueprint, and start producing, I found I was losing about 100k on every 200k sale.
In other words, quit rubbing pennies together, expecting gold coins to appear, OP
To further simplify:
You are doing it wrong.
40 million....how long did it take you to earn that? Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1336
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 16:47:00 -
[55] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote: you'd see lots of very uhappy folks in there, he messes everyone's cycle times and leaves them with nothing.
If he's making unhappy people then he's creating content. Give the man a medal.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
182
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:56:00 -
[56] - Quote
Well, to get back to the nub of it - out of boredom I've flown over to Osmon to see for myself.
There are 40 multi-boxed Procurers laying waste to these ice rocks. It's easily the most intensive multi-toon operation I've ever seen. I can't tell yet whether they're bots but if they're all on 24/7 then clearly they are.
Osmon Botters The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Sister of Pain
Ze DoucheWaffe Black Beard's Horde
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 17:19:00 -
[57] - Quote
A speedy Machariel can keep the freighter(s) out of transfer range and shut the whole Borg operation down. Bring a friend or alt in something smaller to keep the freighter from aligning while you set up your next bump, and that hoovers day is over. He's not going to jetcan, and if he does, then think ahead by dropping secure cans at all the nearby gates to alert the flippers to a free meal. Pain is inevitable, but the suffering is optional. |
Cheng Musana
Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens
44
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Posted - 2014.01.03 17:21:00 -
[58] - Quote
40 mil? thats a bargin! That could get me 4 catalyst which probs cant gank tanked procurers. I think you have to put alot more into it of you actually want somebody seriously going after it. Well you could aswell just get like 8BS with large smartbombs and then warp ontop of the mining fleet and just watch how hillarious it will turn out. looks like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3FpIyNo6tM |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2342
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 17:26:00 -
[59] - Quote
Sister of Pain wrote:A speedy Machariel can keep the freighter(s) out of transfer range and shut the whole Borg operation down. Bring a friend or alt in something smaller to keep the freighter from aligning while you set up your next bump, and that hoovers day is over. He's not going to jetcan, and if he does, then think ahead by dropping secure cans at all the nearby gates to alert the flippers to a free meal. He might just resort to hauling full proc loads though. It's easy enough to do if he's using isboxer, and each full dock would be 480 units of ice. It would only slow him down. What you need is a fleet of bumpers pulling off the biggest bump on record, each having a miner and bumping them repeatedly out of the belt, then out of alignment. Could be an amazing fraps moment. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Sister of Pain
Ze DoucheWaffe Black Beard's Horde
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 17:41:00 -
[60] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Sister of Pain wrote:A speedy Machariel can keep the freighter(s) out of transfer range and shut the whole Borg operation down. Bring a friend or alt in something smaller to keep the freighter from aligning while you set up your next bump, and that hoovers day is over. He's not going to jetcan, and if he does, then think ahead by dropping secure cans at all the nearby gates to alert the flippers to a free meal. He might just resort to hauling full proc loads though. It's easy enough to do if he's using isboxer, and each full dock would be 480 units of ice. It would only slow him down. What you need is a fleet of bumpers pulling off the biggest bump on record, each having a miner and bumping them repeatedly out of the belt, then out of alignment. Could be an amazing fraps moment.
Then all he would have to do is orbit the Proc's and that option goes away too. (You might get a couple of them, but if they aren't sitting still, then trying to bump them just won't work out)
Making him dock all those and dump them every 6 mins (assuming T2's, Yeti's, and max orca bonuses) will take quite a bit of ice out of his overall yield per belt which is exactly wheat is needed to put him in the red with 40 active subs to plex. Pain is inevitable, but the suffering is optional. |
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Dave Stark
4113
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Posted - 2014.01.03 17:46:00 -
[61] - Quote
Sister of Pain wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Sister of Pain wrote:A speedy Machariel can keep the freighter(s) out of transfer range and shut the whole Borg operation down. Bring a friend or alt in something smaller to keep the freighter from aligning while you set up your next bump, and that hoovers day is over. He's not going to jetcan, and if he does, then think ahead by dropping secure cans at all the nearby gates to alert the flippers to a free meal. He might just resort to hauling full proc loads though. It's easy enough to do if he's using isboxer, and each full dock would be 480 units of ice. It would only slow him down. What you need is a fleet of bumpers pulling off the biggest bump on record, each having a miner and bumping them repeatedly out of the belt, then out of alignment. Could be an amazing fraps moment. Then all he would have to do is orbit the Proc's and that option goes away too. (You might get a couple of them, but if they aren't sitting still, then trying to bump them just won't work out) Making him dock all those and dump them every 6 mins (assuming T2's, Yeti's, and max orca bonuses) will take quite a bit of ice out of his overall yield per belt which is exactly wheat is needed to put him in the red with 40 active subs to plex.
considering a high sec ice belt is 2500 units of ice / 12 units per ship = 209 procurer's worth of ice... that's only 7 dock ups, that's not a massive amount. and that's assuming he doesn't manage to get any in his orca/freighter at all. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4086
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 17:56:00 -
[62] - Quote
You know what would fix this?
Cargo hold ore/ice siphons.
Instead of making mining a "mini game", as was done to hacking and analyzing, let the players be the mini game. |
Sister of Pain
Ze DoucheWaffe Black Beard's Horde
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 18:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:You know what would fix this?
Cargo hold ore/ice siphons.
Instead of making mining a "mini game", as was done to hacking and analyzing, let the players be the mini game.
I think a siphon high slot module would be a better idea.
To protect your cargo hold, a low slot module would need to be fitted instead of MLU/IHU's.
Pain is inevitable, but the suffering is optional. |
Dave Stark
4113
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 18:14:00 -
[64] - Quote
Sister of Pain wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:You know what would fix this?
Cargo hold ore/ice siphons.
Instead of making mining a "mini game", as was done to hacking and analyzing, let the players be the mini game. I think a siphon high slot module would be a better idea. To protect your cargo hold, a low slot module would need to be fitted instead of MLU/IHU's.
alternatively, blow it up and scoop the loot. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
397
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 18:24:00 -
[65] - Quote
I Love Boobies wrote:Must be new to Eve if he thinks 40 million will get rid of the perceived menace.
1 million dollars |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
148
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 18:35:00 -
[66] - Quote
hm, this seems like an interesting puzzle. Unlike the hulk/mackinaw bot operations we've seen on this scale, procurers are extremely cost ineffective to gank.(9 t1 catalysts, 4-5 t2 to gank assuming they're tanked properly). I don't have the numbers for smartbombing BS's, but if the operation requires more than 2 to take out thats a net loss. The procurers total about 450m at 15m a piece, I'm assuming 200m for a pipebomb. He can replace the freighter in a little over 2 hours unless his fleet is destroyed. To do any significant damage, both the mining fleet and the freighter need to drop. If anyone wants to organize an op, send me a mail, I can bring some dps. I hate to disagree with you,-ábut there is nothing subjective about "boring" in connection to "mining". -á-á-á-á -- Solstice Project's Alt |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6060
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 18:56:00 -
[67] - Quote
Procurers !! ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
50
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 21:50:00 -
[68] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. Are they in a player corp or NPC corp? If its wardeccable just contact our corp and we might do it by the cost of the war dec only if they are so easy to find. I believe Procurers are all NPC corp members actually. Procurer pilots dont have surnames, only firstnames. All are less than two weeks old.
CCP does not allow the use of multi-boxing software with trial accounts. If you can prove he's using trial accounts, report him.
The Nosy Gamer - Free Wollari!-á Buy your EVE time codes through Dotlan maps! |
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Mildly Intoxicated
203
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 21:53:00 -
[69] - Quote
Miasmos wrote:Some of your available options:
1) Smartbomb the procurer fleet or target the freighter. 2) Make a thread, instill rage on fellow Osmon miners, get them to contribute to the "mercenary pot" and walk away with it.
3) Both of the above... |
Deunan Tenephais
59
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Posted - 2014.01.03 22:30:00 -
[70] - Quote
Let me get this right: a multi-boxer is basically mining whole belts in record time precisely because of multi-boxing, leaving other players in the dust ?
Multi-boxing can be Pay To Win in PvP games, who is surprised by the event ? Blam Plex and CCP.
And with 30 or so simultaneously logged accounts I doubt the guy is not a bunch of bots. |
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Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
52
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Posted - 2014.01.03 22:43:00 -
[71] - Quote
Jesus, 40 million. Where do I sign? |
ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone Caldari State
22
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 22:53:00 -
[72] - Quote
Hell, I've never done anything like it but I'd be willing to join in. I hate ganking, and yet I hate people who do this kind of thing even more. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4348
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 23:01:00 -
[73] - Quote
Miasmos wrote:Some of your available options:
1) Smartbomb the procurer fleet or target the freighter.
LMAO, smartbombs on procurers. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6063
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 23:01:00 -
[74] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Miasmos wrote:Some of your available options:
1) Smartbomb the procurer fleet or target the freighter. LMAO, smartbombs on procurers. Procurers, balanced
Retreievers: needs more tank.
Gankers: needs to be nerfed ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4348
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 23:08:00 -
[75] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Dont matter that multiboxer is online 24/7.
What I'm really interested in is how you know he's on 24/7? Is there something you're not telling us here? Has the multiboxer cut in to your RMT botting profits? This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
15
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:10:00 -
[76] - Quote
Rosewalker wrote:[ CCP does not allow the use of multi-boxing software with trial accounts. If you can prove he's using trial accounts, report him.
You can't train barges at all on trial accounts - I guess CCP had problems with minerbots on new accounts in the past.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1340
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 23:16:00 -
[77] - Quote
Its pretty funny to see someone all butthurt over what was supposed to be a worthless mining barge. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
8073
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:21:00 -
[78] - Quote
HAS THE 40 MILLION BEEN CLAIMED YET Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6066
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 23:26:00 -
[79] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:HAS THE 40 MILLION BEEN CLAIMED YET I don't think so, otherwise someone would have posted. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
290
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:28:00 -
[80] - Quote
You don't own anything in this game until you dock it. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
3229
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:28:00 -
[81] - Quote
I have deleted some trolling from this thread.
Also moving from General Discussion to Crime & Punishment. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6066
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:30:00 -
[82] - Quote
Super spikinator wrote:You don't own anything in this game until you dock it. ... what about my supercap? ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4087
|
Posted - 2014.01.03 23:31:00 -
[83] - Quote
Sister of Pain wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:You know what would fix this?
Cargo hold ore/ice siphons.
Instead of making mining a "mini game", as was done to hacking and analyzing, let the players be the mini game. I think a siphon high slot module would be a better idea. To protect your cargo hold, a low slot module would need to be fitted instead of MLU/IHU's.
If that's the case, then both the miner and the siphoner have a head-to-head FPS mini game where the siphoner sends troops to haul out the cargo (the "ammo" for the high slot siphoner) and the miner has to shoot them by controlling his own security or internal robots.
If the miner is AFK then hey, the siphoner can run about dropping his sack on everything and run off with all the ore.
C'mon, who could be bothered by this idea? Where's my Picard Make it so poster? |
Katran Luftschreck
Stillwater Corporation
2136
|
Posted - 2014.01.04 00:12:00 -
[84] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem.
What I see CCP collecting 30+ subscription fees. Good luck with that.
Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
514
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Posted - 2014.01.04 02:36:00 -
[85] - Quote
Best option seems to be bumping dat freighter.
Too bad we can't wardec the little creep....
Yeah, I'm assuming he's got 'em all in NPC corps.
Way to go, CCP... Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
175
|
Posted - 2014.01.04 04:03:00 -
[86] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote:Certainly.
[Coercer, Bumper] Reactor Control Unit II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200
Prototype Cloaking Device I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Ancillary Current Router I
Plus an 03 Acceleration implant = 9050m/s Without it's a lowly 8800 (That's with heat ofc)
Costs about 6mill
hehe nice my thrasher was 9200ms with skirmish boost, its 7200ms base mwd, i have not tested unskirmished overheat but with overheat + skirmish links it pushes 13200ms. All that while cap stable lol. Coercer looks nice though, it seems to have more lows than thrasher if im reading that right, more speed! |
Dave Stark
4123
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Posted - 2014.01.04 12:15:00 -
[87] - Quote
just took a trip to osmon because.
2 ice anomalies up, so clearly there isn't a problem an the OP is a liar. |
Adolph Weltschmerz
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.04 14:09:00 -
[88] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good.
Botting is illegal, isnt it? |
Naydra Adni
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
87
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:26:00 -
[89] - Quote
Alyth Nerun wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. So while you poor miners have nothing to do because he got all the ice, why don't you stay up to the guy, take the piles of AFK ISK you earned before and suicide gank that freighter? If you need some advice how to do this I am sure we can help you. You could also start to bump his mining ships out of range. This way you don't lose sec status. http://www.minerbumping.com/p/become-agent.htmlIf you really want to gank his ships, start by learning how the game works: http://www.minerbumping.com/p/blog-page.htmlAnd believe me when I tell you it will be fun for a change. Help us to save highsec. thank you for your time.
in other words... "I'm sorry.. we can't be bothered to help. it seems you found an actual bot. you see, even though it says we're against botting we won't actually help in this case.. because it may well be a real bot and we only shoot live players.. ya know.. for the tearslulzcirclejerkathons we have. and we all know bots don't cry." |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
44
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:54:00 -
[90] - Quote
Naydra Adni wrote:in other words... "I'm sorry.. we can't be bothered to help. it seems you found an actual bot. you see, even though it says we're against botting we won't actually help in this case.. because it may well be a real bot and we only shoot live players.. ya know.. for the tearslulzcirclejerkathons we have. and we all know bots don't cry." I'm sorry you see it this way. In fact the OP is not better than the multibox bot-aspirant he tries to put out of business. They have both no mining permits and therefor that mining is illegal under the CODE. I am not in Osmon, If I was I would bump the Op and his friend as much as the multibox guy.
It is like one drug dealer is upset about a gang of other drug dealers and calls the police to help him put them out of business. It is absurd in the highest degree.
And I did help the OP. I provided information on how he could take care of the problem himself. I'm sure you don't try to suggest I should play the game for the OP only because he and his friends are to lazy to stand up to some other player?
If it is in fact a bot you can always report him and CCP will remove the guy. |
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Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
184
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Posted - 2014.01.04 22:44:00 -
[91] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:just took a trip to osmon because.
2 ice anomalies up, so clearly there isn't a problem an the OP is a liar.
I don't know the OP from Adam, but he's not "lying". I watched that Procurer fleet suck up an entire ice field in well under an hour.
Every time I bumped one off by 30km, it was back in two minutes.
At one point most of the Procs dropped cans which I was totally unprepared for. At that point the Fenrir warped in and the pilot posted "om nom nom" in local to add to all the tears.. I laughed my socks off.
It's an interesting problem though. Of course CCP are loving the 40+ Plexes this guy has to buy every 30 days. And I would love to see his hardware setup.
On the other hand, well, just... What. The Fug.
The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 00:01:00 -
[92] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Dont matter that multiboxer is online 24/7. What I'm really interested in is how you know he's on 24/7? Is there something you're not telling us here? Has the multiboxer cut in to your RMT botting profits?
Mine alone actually in my trusty retriever. Log on and play at random times last week or two (my schedule is all messed up), that armada is online all the time, never seen him being offline. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4352
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 01:50:00 -
[93] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Dont matter that multiboxer is online 24/7. What I'm really interested in is how you know he's on 24/7? Is there something you're not telling us here? Has the multiboxer cut in to your RMT botting profits? Mine alone actually in my trusty retriever. Log on and play at random times last week or two (my schedule is all messed up), that armada is online all the time, never seen him being offline.
Perhaps his schedule is also messed up. Who are you to judge the playing habits of a shift worker? This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 02:21:00 -
[94] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Dont matter that multiboxer is online 24/7. What I'm really interested in is how you know he's on 24/7? Is there something you're not telling us here? Has the multiboxer cut in to your RMT botting profits? Mine alone actually in my trusty retriever. Log on and play at random times last week or two (my schedule is all messed up), that armada is online all the time, never seen him being offline. Perhaps his schedule is also messed up. Who are you to judge the playing habits of a shift worker?
Playing habits? Greed is the root of all evil. From my own experience saw seemengly good people turn into utter morons and animals because of greed and personal gain, they dont care if they're hurting others or doing harm to thousands or millions of people by their unethical antisocial behavior. If someone disregards whole population of Osmon for his own gains and interests, that person pretty much is capable of much worse, and needs to be taught a preventive good lesson, he may laugh and spit at the community, but when community is going to spit at him he is gonna end up drowning.
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Cloaky McWarpStab
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.01.05 02:44:00 -
[95] - Quote
MULTIBOX MINING, THE FIRST STEP TO TYRANNY |
Bibosikus
Flowery Twats
184
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Posted - 2014.01.05 02:49:00 -
[96] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:... but when community is going to spit at him he is going to end up drowning.
Mate it's no use whinging about it. This is a sandbox, and there are bullies and victims.
Then again, there are players like me who are interested and even possibly mildly peeved when we actually see first hand what's happening in Osmon.
Thing is, a Dev has already been here and done eff all but clear some troll posts and move the thread. So CCP knows what's going on and either aren't bothered or they're keeping their cards close to their chest.
Give it another week. If the ice-**** fleet hasn't disappeared by then, you'll have your answer :) The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 03:26:00 -
[97] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:... but when community is going to spit at him he is going to end up drowning. Mate it's no use whinging about it. This is a sandbox, and there are bullies and victims. Then again, there are players like me who are interested and even possibly mildly peeved when we actually see first hand what's happening in Osmon. Thing is, a Dev has already been here and done eff all but clear some troll posts and move the thread. So CCP knows what's going on and either aren't bothered or they're keeping their cards close to their chest. Give it another week. If the ice-**** fleet hasn't disappeared by then, you'll have your answer :)
Nope no use whining. I waited for someone smart and competent to start a thread about Osmon abuse. Waited for a week, then two weeks, Osmon miners definitely not happy, yet they say nothing in forums, only complain in local. Then I just decided enough is enough and started this thread to the best of my ability. |
Cloaky McWarpStab
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:57:00 -
[98] - Quote
Has it gone as well as you had hoped? |
Domineren
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
1171
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Posted - 2014.01.05 06:14:00 -
[99] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. Welcome to competition. There are no GǣsharesGǥ. It isn't theirs until and unless it's in their cargo holds. Quote:Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially. HehGǪ yeah, you're probably going to need to add a zero or two onto that before anyone bites. Doesn't even guarantee that it's theirs even if its in their cargo Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....
I LOVE DODIXIE <3
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Dave Stark
4130
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:36:00 -
[100] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote:Dave Stark wrote:just took a trip to osmon because.
2 ice anomalies up, so clearly there isn't a problem an the OP is a liar. I don't know the OP from Adam, but he's not "lying". I watched that Procurer fleet suck up an entire ice field in well under an hour. Every time I bumped one off by 30km, it was back in two minutes. At one point most of the Procs dropped cans which I was totally unprepared for. At that point the Fenrir warped in and the pilot posted "om nom nom" in local to add to all the tears.. I laughed my socks off. It's an interesting problem though. Of course CCP are loving the 40+ Plexes this guy has to buy every 30 days. And I would love to see his hardware setup. On the other hand, well, just... What. The Fug.
well he is lying, because he said the multiboxer deprives everyone of their ice. clearly not the case when there are A) more than one ice site up, and B) it takes him nearly an hour to clear an ice site. C) it's not "their ice" at all.
so yes, the OP is lying. it's an empirical fact. |
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Dave Stark
4130
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Posted - 2014.01.05 08:38:00 -
[101] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Dont matter that multiboxer is online 24/7. What I'm really interested in is how you know he's on 24/7? Is there something you're not telling us here? Has the multiboxer cut in to your RMT botting profits? Mine alone actually in my trusty retriever. Log on and play at random times last week or two (my schedule is all messed up), that armada is online all the time, never seen him being offline. Perhaps his schedule is also messed up. Who are you to judge the playing habits of a shift worker?
or perhaps he's just flat out unemployed. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4356
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 09:06:00 -
[102] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Dont matter that multiboxer is online 24/7. What I'm really interested in is how you know he's on 24/7? Is there something you're not telling us here? Has the multiboxer cut in to your RMT botting profits? Mine alone actually in my trusty retriever. Log on and play at random times last week or two (my schedule is all messed up), that armada is online all the time, never seen him being offline. Perhaps his schedule is also messed up. Who are you to judge the playing habits of a shift worker? Playing habits? Greed is the root of all evil. From my own experience saw seemengly good people turn into utter morons and animals because of greed and personal gain, they dont care if they're hurting others or doing harm to thousands or millions of people by their unethical antisocial behavior. If someone disregards whole population of Osmon for his own gains and interests, that person pretty much is capable of much worse, and needs to be taught a preventive good lesson, he may laugh and spit at the community, but when community is going to spit at him he is going to end up drowning.
Normally I'm all about wrecking miners, but if this guy is really bothering other miners so much then I might just help him out.
This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4356
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 09:08:00 -
[103] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Dont matter that multiboxer is online 24/7. What I'm really interested in is how you know he's on 24/7? Is there something you're not telling us here? Has the multiboxer cut in to your RMT botting profits? Mine alone actually in my trusty retriever. Log on and play at random times last week or two (my schedule is all messed up), that armada is online all the time, never seen him being offline. Perhaps his schedule is also messed up. Who are you to judge the playing habits of a shift worker? or perhaps he's just flat out unemployed.
Yeah that wouldn't surprise me to be honest. I've met a lot of unemployed people slaving it up in highsec.
This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
Dave Stark
4131
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Posted - 2014.01.05 09:21:00 -
[104] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Yeah that wouldn't surprise me to be honest. I've met a lot of unemployed people slaving it up in highsec.
i used to do it when i was unemployed. mining was great when i had revision to do, or if i was trawling jobs websites.
these days i've realised it's quicker to just farm incursions for a day solid then not have to bother with isk making for the next 29 days. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 17:20:00 -
[105] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Bibosikus wrote:Dave Stark wrote:just took a trip to osmon because.
2 ice anomalies up, so clearly there isn't a problem an the OP is a liar. I don't know the OP from Adam, but he's not "lying". I watched that Procurer fleet suck up an entire ice field in well under an hour. Every time I bumped one off by 30km, it was back in two minutes. At one point most of the Procs dropped cans which I was totally unprepared for. At that point the Fenrir warped in and the pilot posted "om nom nom" in local to add to all the tears.. I laughed my socks off. It's an interesting problem though. Of course CCP are loving the 40+ Plexes this guy has to buy every 30 days. And I would love to see his hardware setup. On the other hand, well, just... What. The Fug. well he is lying, because he said the multiboxer deprives everyone of their ice. clearly not the case when there are A) more than one ice site up, and B) it takes him nearly an hour to clear an ice site. C) it's not "their ice" at all. so yes, the OP is lying. it's an empirical fact.
There are three ice belts in Osmon, takes that bot an hour or less to clear all three belts actually.
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Saeger1737
Pod Repo
448
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Posted - 2014.01.05 17:59:00 -
[106] - Quote
Dave stark is starting to sound like the botter... |
Dave Stark
4131
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Posted - 2014.01.05 18:22:00 -
[107] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Bibosikus wrote:Dave Stark wrote:just took a trip to osmon because.
2 ice anomalies up, so clearly there isn't a problem an the OP is a liar. I don't know the OP from Adam, but he's not "lying". I watched that Procurer fleet suck up an entire ice field in well under an hour. Every time I bumped one off by 30km, it was back in two minutes. At one point most of the Procs dropped cans which I was totally unprepared for. At that point the Fenrir warped in and the pilot posted "om nom nom" in local to add to all the tears.. I laughed my socks off. It's an interesting problem though. Of course CCP are loving the 40+ Plexes this guy has to buy every 30 days. And I would love to see his hardware setup. On the other hand, well, just... What. The Fug. well he is lying, because he said the multiboxer deprives everyone of their ice. clearly not the case when there are A) more than one ice site up, and B) it takes him nearly an hour to clear an ice site. C) it's not "their ice" at all. so yes, the OP is lying. it's an empirical fact. There are three ice belts in Osmon, takes that bot an hour or less to clear all three belts actually.
what's your point? also, this isn't about bots.
the OP is still incorrect. |
Dave Stark
4131
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 18:23:00 -
[108] - Quote
Saeger1737 wrote:Dave stark is starting to sound like the botter...
really? i sound like a botter?
pointing out the OP is both whining and wrong makes me a botter? how the hell did you get to that conclusion? |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 20:31:00 -
[109] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Bibosikus wrote:Dave Stark wrote:just took a trip to osmon because.
2 ice anomalies up, so clearly there isn't a problem an the OP is a liar. I don't know the OP from Adam, but he's not "lying". I watched that Procurer fleet suck up an entire ice field in well under an hour. Every time I bumped one off by 30km, it was back in two minutes. At one point most of the Procs dropped cans which I was totally unprepared for. At that point the Fenrir warped in and the pilot posted "om nom nom" in local to add to all the tears.. I laughed my socks off. It's an interesting problem though. Of course CCP are loving the 40+ Plexes this guy has to buy every 30 days. And I would love to see his hardware setup. On the other hand, well, just... What. The Fug. well he is lying, because he said the multiboxer deprives everyone of their ice. clearly not the case when there are A) more than one ice site up, and B) it takes him nearly an hour to clear an ice site. C) it's not "their ice" at all. so yes, the OP is lying. it's an empirical fact. There are three ice belts in Osmon, takes that bot an hour or less to clear all three belts actually. what's your point? also, this isn't about bots. the OP is still incorrect. funfact: if there are indeed 30 accounts, as you claim. it takes them 43.1 mins with a max yield fit to clear a SINGLE ice anom. so claiming all 3 are being removed in under an hour is an outright mathematical impossibility and thus a lie, another lie. stop lying, nothing irks me more than some one who lies to your face, and does a poor job of it.
Despite your repeated primitive and aggressive attempts to start a flame war, there'd be no flame war here. Dont forget he has an Orca support, I figure it takes me about an hour to fill my retriever twice, each time I carry 25 ice cubes,with that bot being around people barely manage one and a half loads, instead of their usual three or four loads or more per ice belt spawn. |
Dave Stark
4132
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Posted - 2014.01.05 20:34:00 -
[110] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Despite your repeated primitive and aggressive attempts to start a flame war, there'd be no flame war here. Dont forget he has an Orca support, I figure it takes me about an hour to fill my retriever twice, each time I carry 25 ice cubes,with that bot being around people barely manage one and a half loads, instead of their usual three or four loads or more per ice belt spawn.
i'm not trying to start a flame war; i'm just pointing out that lies aren't good.
i've already factored in orca boosts.
so you clearly admit you are getting ice and aren't being deprived at all. so you're even just admitting you're lying now then. excellent. |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2815
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Posted - 2014.01.05 20:42:00 -
[111] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote: Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. So get some friends, and put together a disco BS fleet.
Or learn how to work around this dude.
Either will work. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.05 21:17:00 -
[112] - Quote
Funny. Few days ago I filled out an exploit support ticket with my main mining character, was replied by GM Spider, who refered me to an instruction page on how to report a bot, I followed through with his recomendation, and attempted to file a bot report by following all the necessary very simple instructions. By repeated attempts by clicking on the left top corner of the pilot information window no drop down menu appeared, I relogged twice, same thing as if someone had switched off that feature for me. Then I logged on my alt Chicknhawk and voila! I am able to report a bot with him all of the sudden, so I reported. Relogged with my main character attempted to report another of the bot armada's pilots- no luck what so ever, bot reporting feature is switched off for me.
Something is really fishy in here, either GM Spider and Osmon bot puppet master in it together, or simply put CCP is fine with such blatant abuse and is in it for the money, despite hundreds of annoyed ice miners in Osmon. |
Dave Stark
4132
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Posted - 2014.01.05 21:20:00 -
[113] - Quote
gets called out on lying.
starts the tinfoil stories.
this is gold. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 21:41:00 -
[114] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:gets called out on lying.
starts the tinfoil stories.
this is gold.
I am not lying. I explained it to you time and again, without that bot puppet master I and others always were able to get several 4 or more full loads of ice cubes per three belt ice spawn (Osmon gets three belts at the same time normally). Now with that bot armada I and others barely manage to get one and a half loads of ice per three belt ice spawn, very lucky if I manage two full loads. That guy sucks everything up, so do your math again. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2014.01.05 22:57:00 -
[115] - Quote
Well I'm back from two spawned ice belts. Bot puppeteer is being "clever" now attempts to "lay low", he had split his armada into at least two groups, thinking it would make him less visible. Being less efficient now, took him half an hour to mine out that belt none the less, still had to move on to other rocks several times because of him, end result 24 cubes for me.
Second Ice belt. Parked furthest away from the bot and started my sycles on brand spanking new 140 strong ice asteroid, I am on my 21st and 22nd cube cycle, parasite bot joins me in the middle of my cycle and takes everything within couple of minutes, barely get away with my 22 cubes from that second belt.
Normally before the bot appeared in Osmon those two belts should had produced at least twice more ice for me. It definitely looks as that bot is protected by one of the game masters, otherwise there is no way that such huge multiboxing bot could had lasted in such highly populated system as Osmon for such a long time. Rumors of some expoiters having buddies among corrupt game masters are all true after all. |
Mortlake
It's Nothing Personal
28
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Posted - 2014.01.05 23:04:00 -
[116] - Quote
Dave stark is obviously a GM alt, the botter and in all likelihood, Elvis. Now, if you'll just tell us where Jimmy Hoffa is buried, we can all get on with our lives. |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
60
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Posted - 2014.01.06 01:00:00 -
[117] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Well I'm back from two spawned ice belts. Bot puppeteer is being "clever" now attempts to "lay low", he had split his armada into at least two groups, thinking it would make him less visible. Being less efficient now, took him half an hour to mine out that belt none the less, still had to move on to other rocks several times because of him, end result 24 cubes for me.
Second Ice belt. Parked furthest away from the bot and started my sycles on brand spanking new 140 strong ice asteroid, I am on my 21st and 22nd cube cycle, parasite bot joins me in the middle of my cycle and takes everything within couple of minutes, barely get away with my 22 cubes from that second belt.
Normally before the bot appeared in Osmon those two belts should had produced at least twice more ice for me. It definitely looks as that bot is protected by one of the game masters, otherwise there is no way that such huge multiboxing bot could had lasted in such highly populated system as Osmon for such a long time. Rumors of some expoiters having buddies among corrupt game masters are all true after all. If he is a multiboxer then it is all legal and no GM will do anything against him.
It seams you are still trying to get everyone else including CCP to fix YOUR PROBLEM for you. How long until you stop whining and do something about it yourself?
This makes me wana come down to Osmon to see how much more cubes we could reduce your yield per belt. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
181
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Posted - 2014.01.06 02:14:00 -
[118] - Quote
You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means
Seriously though, multiboxing is valid gameplay.
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Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.06 02:23:00 -
[119] - Quote
Alyth Nerun wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Well I'm back from two spawned ice belts. Bot puppeteer is being "clever" now attempts to "lay low", he had split his armada into at least two groups, thinking it would make him less visible. Being less efficient now, took him half an hour to mine out that belt none the less, still had to move on to other rocks several times because of him, end result 24 cubes for me.
Second Ice belt. Parked furthest away from the bot and started my sycles on brand spanking new 140 strong ice asteroid, I am on my 21st and 22nd cube cycle, parasite bot joins me in the middle of my cycle and takes everything within couple of minutes, barely get away with my 22 cubes from that second belt.
Normally before the bot appeared in Osmon those two belts should had produced at least twice more ice for me. It definitely looks as that bot is protected by one of the game masters, otherwise there is no way that such huge multiboxing bot could had lasted in such highly populated system as Osmon for such a long time. Rumors of some expoiters having buddies among corrupt game masters are all true after all. If he is a multiboxer then it is all legal and no GM will do anything against him. It seams you are still trying to get everyone else including CCP to fix YOUR PROBLEM for you. How long until you stop whining and do something about it yourself? This makes me wana come down to Osmon to see how much more cubes we could reduce your yield per belt.
Do what myself? Train up a pusher stubber and go alone trying to push that Fenrir away? Already tried by few people, it didnt work. Didnt do squat. You New Order guys only good for bullying lone miners, and nothing else, all your charter and philosophy is bunch of B.S. when it comes to a real challenge.
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2816
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Posted - 2014.01.06 02:54:00 -
[120] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote: Do what myself? Train up a pusher stubber and go alone trying to push that Fenrir away? Already tried by few people, it didnt work. Didnt do squat. You New Order guys only good for bullying lone miners, and nothing else, all your charter and philosophy is bunch of B.S. when it comes to a real challenge.
Pthbbt. Man-up. Get a suicide disco BS fleet, and deal with your problem directly. Oh, and say 'hello!' to neg-10 status. But it's all good - At least you won't have to deal with your hi-sec multi-boxer any more!
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
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Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
62
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Posted - 2014.01.06 05:07:00 -
[121] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Do what myself? Train up a pusher stubber and go alone trying to push that Fenrir away? Already tried by few people, it didnt work. Didnt do squat. You New Order guys only good for bullying lone miners, and nothing else, all your charter and philosophy is bunch of B.S. when it comes to a real challenge. Ok, you know how much it would cost me to get all that stuff there and get the ships to remove him? Send me 800mil ISK and I come down there and clean the mess up. If you think you can do it cheaper go on, do it yourself. I don't think you will get a better offer. |
Chicknhawk
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.01.06 07:41:00 -
[122] - Quote
Alyth Nerun wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Do what myself? Train up a pusher stubber and go alone trying to push that Fenrir away? Already tried by few people, it didnt work. Didnt do squat. You New Order guys only good for bullying lone miners, and nothing else, all your charter and philosophy is bunch of B.S. when it comes to a real challenge. Ok, you know how much it would cost me to get all that stuff there and get the ships to remove him? Send me 800mil ISK and I come down there and clean the mess up. If you think you can do it cheaper go on, do it yourself. I don't think you will get a better offer.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Have mixed feelings about it, but I am doing it for myself and for the mostly honest Osmon ice miners. Need at least 4 more days of solo mining before I get to 800 million isk. As soon as I have it, I'll contact you. Budget of 800 mil isk tragicomedy... If New Order actually does what they preach then, even for a price, I am very impressed.
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Naydra Adni
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:48:00 -
[123] - Quote
Alyth Nerun wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Do what myself? Train up a pusher stubber and go alone trying to push that Fenrir away? Already tried by few people, it didnt work. Didnt do squat. You New Order guys only good for bullying lone miners, and nothing else, all your charter and philosophy is bunch of B.S. when it comes to a real challenge. Ok, you know how much it would cost me to get all that stuff there and get the ships to remove him? Send me 800mil ISK and I come down there and clean the mess up. If you think you can do it cheaper go on, do it yourself. I don't think you will get a better offer.
wait wait... what about all this isk jes is getting? you know., the billions and billions in shares/donations? isn't it all to "fund the new order".. ship replacement and reimbursement and all that fun stuff? are you saying you guys have to buy your own gank ships? multi boxing.. isn't that the epitome of bot aspirant play style? I'd think the new order would be jumping at the chance to take care of this guy. but I guess he's not a lone miner and it's easier for new order to say "wuuhhh? no way.. do it your self." |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
514
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:58:00 -
[124] - Quote
Tornado gank squad pilots don't magically appear on tree's.
Also, have you convoed James 315 or even better, posted on the Minerbumping forums?
You have a much better chance of getting a NO response by posting the info there than here. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
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Naydra Adni
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:30:00 -
[125] - Quote
Mike Adoulin wrote:Tornado gank squad pilots don't magically appear on tree's.
Also, have you convoed James 315 or even better, posted on the Minerbumping forums?
You have a much better chance of getting a NO response by posting the info there than here.
NO reps did respond in this thread... one said he couldn't be bothered to do it because it would be too much trouble.. another flat out said he'd rather "heroically defend" the non compliant multi boxer.
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Kristopher Rocancourt
Auto Erotic Decapitation
329
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Posted - 2014.01.06 13:49:00 -
[126] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. Man up and protect your own territories instead of coming to C&P and asking the people that already hate, and actively gank miners to do your wetwork for you.
https://zkillboard.com/character/91143676/
https://killalliance.co.uk/tears/tears-holeysheet/ |
Naydra Adni
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2014.01.06 14:13:00 -
[127] - Quote
Kristopher Rocancourt wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. Man up and protect your own territories instead of coming to C&P and asking the people that already hate, and actively gank miners to do your wetwork for you.
yeah! you lazy bassard! quit asking for an organization who's sole purpose is to "save highsec" by ganking bot aspirant, non compliant miners to gank bot aspirant, non compliant miners... the nerve of some people! |
Precurseur
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.01.06 15:03:00 -
[128] - Quote
It's probably "The Wiz". Previous attempts to combat this..... didn't end..... well. |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
62
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Posted - 2014.01.06 16:02:00 -
[129] - Quote
Naydra Adni wrote:yeah! you lazy bassard! quit asking for an organization who's sole purpose is to "save highsec" by ganking bot aspirant, non compliant miners to gank bot aspirant, non compliant miners... the nerve of some people! While we do what we do out of conviction, we never hide the fact that the New Order is a business and like everyone else in New Eden we try to make ISK. The shareholder money you mentioned previously is used for our daily business and can not be misused for such requests. This operation has to be self sustained. I can and will not use my own assets to help another non-compliant miner, I hope that is clear.
Also where is your contribution? How can you demand I take action while you yourself probably do nothing? Contribute your time, ships or fund our effort with ISK. Or help the OP out yourself by beating my offer. Otherwise I would request you to be silent and let me do my work. |
Naydra Adni
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:09:00 -
[130] - Quote
Alyth Nerun wrote:Naydra Adni wrote:yeah! you lazy bassard! quit asking for an organization who's sole purpose is to "save highsec" by ganking bot aspirant, non compliant miners to gank bot aspirant, non compliant miners... the nerve of some people! While we do what we do out of conviction, we never hide the fact that the New Order is a business and like everyone else in New Eden we try to make ISK. The shareholder money you mentioned previously is used for our daily business and can not be misused for such requests. This operation has to be self sustained. I can and will not use my own assets to help another non-compliant miner, I hope that is clear. Also where is your contribution? How can you demand I take action while you yourself probably do nothing? Contribute your time, ships or fund our effort with ISK. Or help the OP out yourself by beating my offer. Otherwise I would request you to be silent and let me do my work.
so if the OP is a compliant miner you would make more of an effort to help? like your own time and assets? |
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Jeniam Retriat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:06:00 -
[131] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Greed is the root of all evil. From my own experience saw seemengly good people turn into utter morons and animals because of greed and personal gain, they dont care if they're hurting others or doing harm to thousands or millions of people by their unethical antisocial behavior.
The irony is that it's greed that's at the very root of your own post. You can cry that it's unfair and that this multiboxer is "harming the community" all you want, but you've made it very clear through your comments that the main problem you have with this guy is that you are getting less ice because of his presence.
And now look, you're trying to hire people to screw him over, destroy his assets and ruin his gameplay in order to further your own greed! You haven't just fallen down that slippery slope, you've taken a running jump off it! |
Dave Stark
4134
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:49:00 -
[132] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:gets called out on lying.
starts the tinfoil stories.
this is gold. I am not lying. I explained it to you time and again, without that bot puppet master I and others always were able to get several 4 or more full loads of ice cubes per three belt ice spawn (Osmon gets three belts at the same time normally). Now with that bot armada I and others barely manage to get one and a half loads of ice per three belt ice spawn, very lucky if I manage two full loads. That guy sucks everything up, so do your math again. do my math again? how about you just stop lying. my maths is spot on. i'm the guy that pointed out the error in the dev blog when they released the mining barge changes. that's how correct my maths is. when you lie about these things, i will call you out on it. it takes 30 procurers with orca boosts over 40 mins to clear 1 ice anomaly so telling me he's clearing all 3 in under 1 hour is complete fantasy and you know it. feel free to show me the maths that proves you can clear 7500 units of ice in under 60 mins with 30 procurers. be a man, accept the challenge.
Mortlake wrote:Dave Stark is obviously a GM alt, the botter and in all likelihood, Elvis. Now, if you'll just tell us where Jimmy Hoffa is buried, we can all get on with our lives. confirming that i am the king. |
Saeger1737
Pod Repo
450
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:52:00 -
[133] - Quote
Ice mining fields just need to be contestual making the fight over them much easier and hitting to stop.... Would also make much more PvP sense less jihad gank more fight. |
Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
191
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:11:00 -
[134] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good.
Tell you what ~EOL will take care of the procurers for a sum of 750 mil 400 upfront to offset the cost of gank ships and the remainder when we provide you with Kms
also if you are having trouble gathering the isk yourself i can setup a payment system if you have others contributing
EDIT: Also we will throw in the freighter kill for another 100 mil (to be paid with initial deposit) Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Jeniam Retriat
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:40:00 -
[135] - Quote
Saeger1737 wrote:Ice mining fields just need to be contestual making the fight over them much easier and hitting to stop.... Would also make much more PvP sense less jihad gank more fight.
We have that already, it's called lowsec. Of course, putting PvE ships in an open shooting environment tends not to end well for them... |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
993
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:01:00 -
[136] - Quote
Disjointed comments:
The New Order is not anyone's beck-and-callgirl for ganks. The NO is populated by pilots with a common cause, but without any format for a CTA. We go where we want and enforce the Code when we see fit. Sometimes we gather in number to smite large targets, and sometimes we act in small groups or alone. The good news is that we are the most welcoming organization in New Eden. Feel free to join up and organize any fleet you like for smiting the bots and bot-aspirants.
If the Proc miner is botting, then reporting them is all you can do. I think isboxer is a scourge on Eve, but CCP feels different. He is probably not botting, but instead using isboxer. If that is the case then where the OP thinks of him as one player "stealing" all the ice, in fact it is 30 players acting in coordination as a fleet to accomplish the task. That it is isboxer taints the whole thing, but Eve is all about finding friends and doing things with them; even if those friends are 30 of your own alts.
The reason the guy is using Procurers is because they have ridiculous amounts of hp and cost almost nothing. It is a wonder to me that CEO's tell their newbros to get into a Retriever as soon as they can. As gankers, just about no one wants to spend 40mil in catalysts (and have 4 pilots) to gank a properly tanked 10mil Procurer. As a New Order representative, I would not be so lavish with the investors isk. If the Procurers are in a fleet, the Orca would probably scoop enough modules from the Catalysts to pay for the Procurer. I'm sure Dave Stark will correct my math on that if I'm wrong.
In short: New Order recruitment is always open, isboxer sucks, ganking Procurers sucks. If you want not to be ganked and not pay the New Order's 10mil license fee its easy: fly a Procurer. You won't do it because of isk/hr. Not our fault. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
0
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:59:00 -
[137] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Disjointed comments:
The reason the guy is using Procurers is because they have ridiculous amounts of hp and cost almost nothing. It is a wonder to me that CEO's tell their newbros to get into a Retriever as soon as they can. As gankers, just about no one wants to spend 40mil in catalysts (and have 4 pilots) to gank a properly tanked 10mil Procurer. As a New Order representative, I would not be so lavish with the investors isk. If the Procurers are in a fleet, the Orca would probably scoop enough modules from the Catalysts to pay for the Procurer. I'm sure Dave Stark will correct my math on that if I'm wrong.
In short: New Order recruitment is always open, isboxer sucks, ganking Procurers sucks. If you want not to be ganked and not pay the New Order's 10mil license fee its easy: fly a Procurer. You won't do it because of isk/hr. Not our fault.
I've never been a fine of the NO. I always reject offers from mining groups to pay me to keep them from ganking them. Miner bumping is pathetic imo.
However, I would be willing to throw in with NO members, miner alts, or whomever to try and take down the Osmon operation. I probably could convince my two confederates to join me as well (although one is still early in his training, he is coming along nicely).
Procurers are tough. I admit that I leave them alone. Part of the reason of course is that they are expensive to gank, but the more important part is that Procurer pilots have already made an intelligent and informed decision to fly something not easily ganked. Often they have come to this conclusion after I have ganked them once or twice in their Ret or Mack.
Still, a large Cat fleet attacking a bunch of procurers does sound kind of fun.
Another question, it has been my experience that they often will have an Orca boosting off grid somewhere. Find the Orca and gank it. |
Naydra Adni
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2014.01.07 10:24:00 -
[138] - Quote
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Disjointed comments:
The New Order is not anyone's beck-and-callgirl for ganks. The NO is populated by pilots with a common cause, but without any format for a CTA. We go where we want and enforce the Code when we see fit. Sometimes we gather in number to smite large targets, and sometimes we act in small groups or alone. The good news is that we are the most welcoming organization in New Eden. Feel free to join up and organize any fleet you like for smiting the bots and bot-aspirants.
If the Proc miner is botting, then reporting them is all you can do. I think isboxer is a scourge on Eve, but CCP feels different. He is probably not botting, but instead using isboxer. If that is the case then where the OP thinks of him as one player "stealing" all the ice, in fact it is 30 players acting in coordination as a fleet to accomplish the task. That it is isboxer taints the whole thing, but Eve is all about finding friends and doing things with them; even if those friends are 30 of your own alts.
The reason the guy is using Procurers is because they have ridiculous amounts of hp and cost almost nothing. It is a wonder to me that CEO's tell their newbros to get into a Retriever as soon as they can. As gankers, just about no one wants to spend 40mil in catalysts (and have 4 pilots) to gank a properly tanked 10mil Procurer. As a New Order representative, I would not be so lavish with the investors isk. If the Procurers are in a fleet, the Orca would probably scoop enough modules from the Catalysts to pay for the Procurer. I'm sure Dave Stark will correct my math on that if I'm wrong.
In short: New Order recruitment is always open, isboxer sucks, ganking Procurers sucks. If you want not to be ganked and not pay the New Order's 10mil license fee its easy: fly a Procurer. You won't do it because of isk/hr. Not our fault.
I don't think anyone is really expecting you or anyone else to destroy the whole fleet in one go. everyone knows procs are tough to kill compared to the price of replacing them. but what about that freighter? big, lumbering, juicy target filling itself with goodies. I would think if he lost a couple of them (as the OP said) would put a serious hurt on his wallet. are you saying that the NO, who pride themselves on and brag about their ability to coordinate a fleet of nega-tens in highsec and wipe out any target, while avoiding facpo and all that, and do it well.. will not even make an attempt at this bot aspirant.. I mean he's sitting there waving his man bits in your faces and all you do is make up excuses for your lack of action and unwillingness to back up the CODE. it's like you're protecting him lol
isn't this one of the very core reasons for the NO's creation? isn't this what your donators and shareholders expect of you.
along with being laughed at and mocked everywhere you go you have a guy sitting there (who NO representatives themselves say is NON COMPLIANT) doing "unlawful", CODE breaking activities.
damn.. half of your intel is done for you.. you know who, what and how many.. and you have the backing of an organization with (according to last report) 187 BILLION isk in shares sold, untold amounts of cats, nados and all sorts of gank ships stockpiled all throughout highsec. and yet you do nothing lol
and there he is.. hands on hips shlong slapping you in the face and you sit there taking it
In short: either you enjoy it or that single dude in the untanked retriever is a much more menacing threat.
which is it? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4365
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Posted - 2014.01.07 12:05:00 -
[139] - Quote
Become friends with him, find out when he PLEX's his accounts, gank him the day after. This user won the forums on 18/09/2013, then lost on 18/12/2013. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
2856
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Posted - 2014.01.08 01:02:00 -
[140] - Quote
Precurseur wrote:It's probably "The Wiz". Previous attempts to combat this..... didn't end..... well. There's still a disco fleet stalking that guy. He's good enough that he's not been nailed yet... Single kills don't count. We want the whole circus in one giant orgy of fire. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc |
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Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice TSOE Consortium
31
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Posted - 2014.01.09 08:49:00 -
[141] - Quote
I'm not sure if you've all looked at the perspective correctly.
OP; Did the ice fields recycle fast enough to respawn at least 3 times per day before the said multi-boxer arrived to claim the ice?
If the anwer is "NO", then you're looking at this from the wrong point of view, all he's doing is making sure the ice belts recycle as fast as possible. If the answer is "YES", then I don't see how he can get all that ice by himself, if there was enough ice miners before that.
The screenshot someone posted only had about 6 retrievers in the same icebelt as the procurer fleet, if it was such a compeition and screwing other people out of their hard earned ISK; that particular Ice field would have twice the number of barges in it.
Then again, you always have an option to move somplace else. Like nullsec. |
Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice TSOE Consortium
31
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Posted - 2014.01.09 08:53:00 -
[142] - Quote
Naydra Adni wrote:
In short: either you enjoy it or that single dude in the untanked retriever is a much more menacing threat.
which is it?
That single dude in an untanked retriever is a lot easier to gank and extort for "permit money" than an organized player with 30 accounts and properly tanked procurers :)
You miss the point. New Order isn't about "bringing justice to High Sec" or any other drivel they are spewing out in their propaganda. Their aim is simple. Griefing as much as possible with as little resistance as possible.
Why do you think 90% of NO pilots are in NPC corps? ;) |
Naydra Adni
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
94
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Posted - 2014.01.09 09:09:00 -
[143] - Quote
Sylphy wrote:Naydra Adni wrote:
In short: either you enjoy it or that single dude in the untanked retriever is a much more menacing threat.
which is it?
That single dude in an untanked retriever is a lot easier to gank and extort for "permit money" than an organized player with 30 accounts and properly tanked procurers :) You miss the point. New Order isn't about "bringing justice to High Sec" or any other drivel they are spewing out in their propaganda. Their aim is simple. Griefing as much as possible with as little resistance as possible. Why do you think 90% of NO pilots are in NPC corps? ;)
too true... I have the point well in sight lol but it's funny when they're backed into a corner by a couple simple questions... then they get real quiet all of a sudden. |
Dave Stark
4152
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:15:00 -
[144] - Quote
Sylphy wrote:Why do you think 90% of NO pilots are in NPC corps? ;) because player corp mechanics are **** and NPC corps offer far more than virtually every player corp can. |
Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 04:26:00 -
[145] - Quote
Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good.
Dude you have **** for brains. 30+ miners and 1 frigate you say. Isn't it 30+ active subs?
Now between how many clients is possible ALT+TAB, 5 perhaps, at the best.
Next, what kind of computer is needed to run 5 clients simultaneously? Remember each client require certain chunk or RAM and CPU time. In my case game takes 600+ Mb, multiply with 5, 3 Gb plus Windows, 1.2 Gb +.
It is a gang, who mining to convert ISK in to plexes. Years ago WoW had something similar, they where called Chineese gold farmers.
And then starts. Waah, waah miners... Waah, waah New Order. You idiots harassing wrong peoples. Besides did CCP hired you as game masters or you just doing self justice. I bet it is the last thing.
Speaking of New Order. A NPC corp? What a bunch of sissies and cowards. Second, because a NPC corp can not be retaliated, it is a clear abuse of game mechanics. And last thing, GM's stated that miner bumping is acceptable but no more than once, if victim being followed and bumped over and over again, it is classified as a harassment. Now things got even better, New Order goons continuously following miners, buy bumping over and over and demanding 10 mil ISK. Wonderful, now this game has a racketeering sissies, cowardly hiding behind NPC corp.
Get rid of plex and miners will be gone. But it won't happen, plex is additional income for CCP. So you complained to CCP about their business model. Rather say thank you to CCP that they bringing on table something to kill.
What an idiot you are. |
Tasiv Deka
End-of-Line
198
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Posted - 2014.01.10 08:59:00 -
[146] - Quote
Erro Fenn wrote:
Dude you have **** for brains. 30+ miners and 1 frigate you say. Isn't it 30+ active subs?
Now between how many clients is possible ALT+TAB, 5 perhaps, at the best.
Next, what kind of computer is needed to run 5 clients simultaneously? Remember each client require certain chunk or RAM and CPU time. In my case game takes 600+ Mb, multiply with 5, 3 Gb plus Windows, 1.2 Gb +.
It is a gang, who mining to convert ISK in to plexes. Years ago WoW had something similar, they where called Chineese gold farmers.
And then starts. Waah, waah miners... Waah, waah New Order. You idiots harassing wrong peoples. Besides did CCP hired you as game masters or you just doing self justice. I bet it is the last thing.
Speaking of New Order. A NPC corp? What a bunch of sissies and cowards. Second, because a NPC corp can not be retaliated, it is a clear abuse of game mechanics. And last thing, GM's stated that miner bumping is acceptable but no more than once, if victim being followed and bumped over and over again, it is classified as a harassment. Now things got even better, New Order goons continuously following miners, buy bumping over and over and demanding 10 mil ISK. Wonderful, now this game has a racketeering sissies, cowardly hiding behind NPC corp.
Get rid of plex and miners will be gone. But it won't happen, plex is additional income for CCP. So you complained to CCP about their business model. Rather say thank you to CCP that they bringing on table something to kill.
What an idiot you are.
Actually Bro you are the idiot. Multiple clients arent that hard to run, somewhere on the forums there is a guy who talks about having 5 computers that all run 20 clients a pop. WoW(and every MMO) still has gold farmers not all multiboxers are such. Eve is built on players getting their own justice. New Order isnt an NPC corp its a group that transcends in game groups (i.e. several different corps alliances and single players). Actually Devs stated that bumping only one person constantly just to bump them is harassment, if you are trying to extort them or drive off your competition its completely fine to bump them till they leave, as to the racketeering from New Order... well its a brilliant business plan to be honest its also one of the key points that EVE was built on= Take what you can and defend it from people trying to do the same. As for the Plex thing... well thats just stupid Plex is what allows quite a few people to be able to play this game when they usually wouldn't be able to.
I believe I countered all your baseless claims... please refrain from talking out of your ass any more thank you and good day Madame. Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts...-á
The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth. |
Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 15:07:00 -
[147] - Quote
Haha... Talks, does he have picture to prove claim, he have made. Obviously you have no clue about computers. I can claim that I am Jesus Christ. Do you believe that?
EVE is far more complicated than Minesweeper. This is the best, what I could find: http://massively.joystiq.com/2010/04/13/eve-online-player-creates-incredible-multi-box-setup/
8 computers, 14 clients. Where is another 16+ clients? Besides you did not mentioned any thing about 30+ active subs.
Brilliant business plan you say, that's what historians also say if they talking about Al Capone. Question is, who is profiting? Where those millions go? To me it sounds like someone is using brain dead goons for making profit. Because he is too lazy do things, what other players doing to get ISK. And as usually with any religious sect, followers are blind and stupid.
Loving EVE forums, it is like visiting high security prison, where the best of the worst spending rest of their miserable lives.
And what's with your wall of text, did any one mentioned to you anything about paragraphing, in any time or any space? |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
641
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:23:00 -
[148] - Quote
Erro Fenn wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. Dude you have **** for brains. 30+ miners and 1 frigate you say. Isn't it 30+ active subs? The Wiz has posted video of his Barge Fleet undocking. It takes *five* minutes to complete - Around a hundred barges. All controlled by one man. Look around - it's out there.
Here's one multi-boxer's rig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5VvZD8UHg
Do some research before spouting-off. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:45:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Erro Fenn wrote:Chicknhawk wrote:Osmon has three ice belts, once they spawn it takes literally hours to mine them, so everyone gets their fair share of ice. Not anymore. Recently Osmon received huge 30+ Procurer barge vacuum cleaner armada, that bot is online 24/7, takes him less than an hour to empty all Ice belts, depriving all the ice miners of their shares of ice. CCP seems not to notice the problem. Bot armada has Fenrir freighter ploted by Luckysentry and is protected by a Stabber cruiser piloted by Matthew Decker.
Since problem is ignored, I am offering to pitch in 40 mil isk to a group of mercenaries to get rid of that insolent greedy problem, bunch of other Osmon miners are also willing to contribute financially.
Name of the game is attrition, freighters are very expensive to replace, once you kill enough of them, that insolent exploiter will leave Osmon for good. Dude you have **** for brains. 30+ miners and 1 frigate you say. Isn't it 30+ active subs? The Wiz has posted video of his Barge Fleet undocking. It takes *five* minutes to complete - WELL over thirty barges. All controlled by one man. Look around - it's out there. Here's one multi-boxer's rig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ5VvZD8UHgDo some research before spouting-off. Edit: corrected my numbers. Edit some more: Found the thread. Unfortunately, he's since restricted access to the vids. Shame, really - they were impressive. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2550988#post2550988
Ok, thank you for links. But I'm quoting him.
Quote:Why would it not be allowed. Look at what CCP makes. Plex's are not seeded in the game someone had to pay real money for them. So CCP makes about $20,000 a year off me alone. Why would they not allow that?
Here is the answer to all riddles. Which I pointed out before.
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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
641
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Posted - 2014.01.10 17:12:00 -
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*he's* not the one paying teh US$20K. Other players are, and they're getting in-game ISK in exchange. CCP games is the one realizing the profit.
Now, compare what one individual, at max-burn can do to say, what one massive alliance - Say, Goons, or NC, makes, and you'll see that he's not unbalancing the system at all - Inded, he's mildly redressing the balance. Major alliances might not have teh same yeild-per-person, but they've got a LOT more persons...
The Wiz doesn't bother me. Except in as much as he's proven a maddeningly hard target to gank. I'm part of teh Disco fleet that'sbeen stalking him, and we've never managed to catch him with his proverbial knickers-amungst-ankles. But one day... Oh, yes. One day... And the KM will be beyond epic! CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
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Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 17:43:00 -
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Yes, one day in distant future after 25 years. So meanwhile you are loving gank noobs because they are easy targets and gank less experienced miners. Because they don't know much about game yet, they just trying make some ISK, which is needed for progression in this game.
Racketeering and ganking is not exactly best for new comers and less experienced players feel welcomed.
Do you realize that buy doing so, you and your fellow goons actually killing game buy little bit every day?
What kind of crap hole is this place, full of social retards? I have seen bad social behavior before, it is normal part of any MMO. But this game tops up every other game buy 10 times. |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
73
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:14:00 -
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Erro Fenn wrote:Do you realize that buy doing so, you and your fellow goons actually killing game buy little bit every day? EVE is the only MMO that grows every year for 10 years now. Your argument is not only bad, it is invalid.
Erro Fenn wrote:What kind of crap hole is this place, full of social retards? I have seen bad social behavior before, it is normal part of any MMO. But this game tops up every other game buy 10 times. EVE has one of the best communities in all the games I have played so far. I think the community is so great because people like you, who don't get the game, rage like little kids and then blame others for their deficiency get filtered out at an early stage. I am really really glad this is the case. |
Adolph Weltschmerz
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:15:00 -
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The rules are the same for all of us. We are all free to get as many accounts as we want and multibox all day. I fail to see a problem. |
Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:30:00 -
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Quote:EVE is the only MMO that grows every year for 10 years now. Your argument is not only bad, it is invalid.
Your brain is invalid. I have been playing this game for less than month. Some days I have been online for 16 hours or more. Every day I see less than 50K players online, mostly around 40K. Where is your ******* growth? While Blizzard/Activision have made billions of dollars in 9 years.
Quote:EVE has one of the best communities in all the games I have played so far. I think the community is so great because people like you, who don't get the game, rage like little kids and then blame others for their deficiency get filtered out at an early stage. I am really really glad this is the case.
Riiight... Tell me who is your friend and I'm going to tell you who you are. |
Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 18:35:00 -
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Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:The rules are the same for all of us. We are all free to get as many accounts as we want and multibox all day. I fail to see a problem. Correct, no problem for experienced players. What about peoples with just 1 account and 1 character?
Your measurement tape is incorrect, please replace it. |
Adolph Weltschmerz
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:03:00 -
[156] - Quote
Erro Fenn wrote:Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:The rules are the same for all of us. We are all free to get as many accounts as we want and multibox all day. I fail to see a problem. Correct, no problem for experienced players. What about peoples with just 1 account and 1 character? Your measurement tape is incorrect, please replace it.
If you want more than one account, get more accounts. We are free to play the game as we want to. Why is it wrong to multibox with 40 accounts? Is it too efficient? Is this miner too good at eve? Is eve running out of ice?
To OP: Im sure he cant have his fleet everywhere at once. Isnt it possible to simply mine somewhere else? |
Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:11:00 -
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Quote:The Wiz doesn't bother me. Except in as much as he's proven a maddeningly hard target to gank. I'm part of teh Disco fleet that'sbeen stalking him, and we've never managed to catch him with his proverbial knickers-amungst-ankles. But one day... Oh, yes. One day... And the KM will be beyond epic! This... He is too good, alias very experienced. Because Order can not catch him then all crap falls on to single account owners and less experienced players. |
Dave Stark
4158
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Posted - 2014.01.10 19:54:00 -
[158] - Quote
Erro Fenn wrote:Adolph Weltschmerz wrote:The rules are the same for all of us. We are all free to get as many accounts as we want and multibox all day. I fail to see a problem. Correct, no problem for experienced players. What about peoples with just 1 account and 1 character? Your measurement tape is incorrect, please replace it.
what about them? nothing is stopping them opening more accounts. |
Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:38:00 -
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Quote:what about them? nothing is stopping them opening more accounts.
OK, you got me lost here. Why would any one need more than 1 account with 3 characters provided except multiboxers?
3 characters already providing versatility for any kind of role playing. 1'st is pirate, 2'nd is business man and 3'rd is just for goofing around.
Besides buy activating 2'nd and 3'rd character training, all 3 toons can be trained up simultaneously.
Multiple accounts is really needed only to leech asteroid and ice fields dry. Purpose is obviously for selling plexes and ISK for real money. So apparently veterans are those scum bags, not noobs.
Just had funny idea, what about New Order was founded for other reasons, like now it is harder mine for veterans and prices also dropping. Or some prices have vent sky high, everyone who has a POS needs fuel.
So New Order actually wants put new miners out of business that they can fill their needs quicker and easier.
Entire community is corrupt inside out, please tell me I'm wrong. And talking something about dignity, it is fairy tale for 3 years old kids. |
Dave Stark
4165
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:11:00 -
[160] - Quote
Erro Fenn wrote:Quote:what about them? nothing is stopping them opening more accounts. OK, you got me lost here. Why would any one need more than 1 account with 3 characters provided except multiboxers? 3 characters already providing versatility for any kind of role playing. 1'st is pirate, 2'nd is business man and 3'rd is just for goofing around. Besides buy activating 2'nd and 3'rd character training, all 3 toons can be trained up simultaneously. Multiple accounts is really needed only to leech asteroid and ice fields dry. Purpose is obviously for selling plexes and ISK for real money. So apparently veterans are those scum bags, not noobs. Just had funny idea, what about New Order was founded for other reasons, like now it is harder mine for veterans and prices also dropping. Or some prices have vent sky high, everyone who has a POS needs fuel. So New Order actually wants put new miners out of business that they can fill their needs quicker and easier. Entire community is corrupt inside out, please tell me I'm wrong. And talking something about dignity, it is fairy tale for 3 years old kids.
you heard it here first; all pilots with more than 1 account do nothing but mine ice and RMT. your a terrible troll. |
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Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
263
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:12:00 -
[161] - Quote
Erro Fenn wrote:Quote:what about them? nothing is stopping them opening more accounts. OK, you got me lost here. Why would any one need more than 1 account with 3 characters provided except multiboxers? 3 characters already providing versatility for any kind of role playing. 1'st is pirate, 2'nd is business man and 3'rd is just for goofing around. Besides buy activating 2'nd and 3'rd character training, all 3 toons can be trained up simultaneously. Multiple accounts is really needed only to leech asteroid and ice fields dry. Purpose is obviously for selling plexes and ISK for real money. So apparently veterans are those scum bags, not noobs. Just had funny idea, what about New Order was founded for other reasons, like now it is harder mine for veterans and prices also dropping. Or some prices have vent sky high, everyone who has a POS needs fuel. So New Order actually wants put new miners out of business that they can fill their needs quicker and easier. Entire community is corrupt inside out, please tell me I'm wrong. And talking something about dignity, it is fairy tale for 3 years old kids.
WTF?
Dude, multiple accounts are extremely useful for MUCH more than wasting time MINING.
Hunting a mission runner? Scanning alt! Hauling expensive ****? Built in escort/scout! Hunting war targets? Real time intel!
Boosters! Haulers!
The list goes on... seriously. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Zircon Dasher
320
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:13:00 -
[162] - Quote
Erro Fenn wrote:
Entire community is corrupt inside out, please tell me I'm wrong.
Not wrong at all.
BUT
Where you see this as a problem, others see it as selling point. Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'. |
Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:16:00 -
[163] - Quote
Zircon Dasher wrote:Erro Fenn wrote:
Entire community is corrupt inside out, please tell me I'm wrong.
Not wrong at all. BUT Where you see this as a problem, others see it as selling point.
Fine buy me. |
Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:21:00 -
[164] - Quote
Quote:WTF?
Dude, multiple accounts are extremely useful for MUCH more than wasting time MINING.
Hunting a mission runner? Scanning alt! Hauling expensive ****? Built in escort/scout! Hunting war targets? Real time intel!
Boosters! Haulers!
The list goes on... seriously.
Perhaps one day, thanks for advise. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
646
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:23:00 -
[165] - Quote
Erro Fenn wrote:Yes, one day in distant future after 25 years. So meanwhile you are loving gank noobs because they are easy targets and gank less experienced miners. Check my KB, and think again. Actually, it's been abuot 5 months since teh last time I potted a barge. Though certain threads over in GD have re-fired my desire to inflict some harm. Soon as I'm done this software project and have a bit of real time, I will cry Yaar ..! once more. CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
646
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:31:00 -
[166] - Quote
Erro Fenn wrote:Quote:The Wiz doesn't bother me. Except in as much as he's proven a maddeningly hard target to gank. I'm part of teh Disco fleet that'sbeen stalking him, and we've never managed to catch him with his proverbial knickers-amungst-ankles. But one day... Oh, yes. One day... And the KM will be beyond epic! This... He is too good, alias very experienced. Because Order can not catch him then all crap falls on to single account owners and less experienced players. Again, failure of analysis. Every minute we spend stalking him is one more minute we're not blowing someone else up. Indeed, his ellusive skill creates content for us; Potting the idiots isn't nearly as tasty as stalking big game.
Oh, and by the way - Don't call me a Goon. I don't qualify to be a Goon, and don't plan on ever qualifying on being a Goon. Calling me a Goon lowers 'Goon-dom.' CCP, debuff Barges, or buff Ganking. Either will do for me, but we need more Yaaar! in this game lest it become WoW in Spaaaaace! -á~ Me |
Erro Fenn
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.01.11 15:34:00 -
[167] - Quote
Quote:Oh, and by the way - Don't call me a Goon. I don't qualify to be a Goon, and don't plan on ever qualifying on being a Goon. Calling me a Goon lowers 'Goon-dom.' If you are "goons doom" then I do apologize to you.
However, I'm trying figure out what is exactly behind New order.
Restoring dignity, you know, I'm not buying that crap. As it come out, multiboxers are responsible from leeching everything dry. So my next guess is that it is incredibly poor excuse make ganking legal in high sectors buy hiding behind "restoring dignity". |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
160
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Posted - 2014.01.14 05:38:00 -
[168] - Quote
I think a blood vessel just burst in my brain. I'm gonna bite my tongue and just not say anything nasty right now. If you want to know more about the New Order I would recommend hitting their website. I think it's www.minerbumping.org if I'm not mistaken. There should be plenty of information there to help you understand them. Just keep in mind that it comes with big helpings of RP propaganda and you should be fine.
If, as you claim, you have only been playing the game for less than a month you still have much to learn about EVE... I'm not saying that as an insult, but just as the honest truth. I've been playing for years and I still keep learning new things about the game, both in the mechanics and the community departments. If you try to use WoW as a standard to compare to EVE you aren't really being fair to yourself as EVE is an entirely different animal.
You might want to tone down your scorn of the community while you're getting your learn on. They can be your best source for reliable information on how some of the subtler aspects of the game work. If you approach them with a respectful attitude, well thought out questions, and not having your pants on your head you'll find them to be pretty helpful more often than not.
Anyways, good luck |
Dave Stark
4187
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:29:00 -
[169] - Quote
i do believe nobody has provided any evidence that 30 procurers can harvest 7500 units of ice in 60 mins.
i thought as much. the OP is nothing but a liar. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
491
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Posted - 2014.01.22 21:44:00 -
[170] - Quote
"I have 14 million isk. Can I help?"
You knew it was coming. Free Ripley Weaver! |
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