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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 01:21:00 -
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I seriously doubt anyone makes ISK on a regular basis out of genuine PvP.
On the other hand ganking miners and haulers and shiney mission ships fitted for PvE, that is another matter altogether, that clearly can be quite lucrative. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:49:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Meyr wrote:Personally, I'd like to see NPC corp members be made unable to target anyone not in their corp.
This way, either you, as a ganker, are limited to attacking only members of YOUR NPC corp, or you have to join a player-run corporation, and thus can be war dec'd.
Not a perfect solution, I know, but it would go a long way towards solving the neutral-alt rep issue, and would expose gankers to some form of retribution from their victims (if your victim can afford to have mercs hunt your mains AND alts every minute you're logged in for the next six months because you've irritated them badly enough, hey, too bad for you, Buddy).
My 0.02 ISK worth of opinion. Gankers in NPC corps are a very small minority. only a small portion of players?
Actrually an awful lot of people leave their high sec suicide gank alts in the original starter schools.
Main reason ... if you take out a multi billion ISK target, the victim cannot then hire mercs to war dec you and your corp. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2014.01.04 12:51:00 -
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Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:Meyr wrote:Sorry - I don't count ganking as PVP - it's a PK activity, pure and simple.
That stated, what else do you term as 'PVP paying for itself?' This is something that really grinds my gears, can't stand when people say this. Despite what YOU may or may not classify as PvP holds absolutely no weight. Fact, this is PvP. It is a player/s shooting at another player/s. Just because you or others may look down on this type of play style it doesn't mean it is not PvP. Yes, this I say this as a soloist (gankers also annoy me at times as well). But there are just some things in this game that isn't possible unless you gank another player. At the end of the day, it is PvP no matter what way you look at it. /endrant. EDIT: Also, hunting explorers and PI industrials is a form of PvP which pays for itself. What about Faction Warfare? Bounty Hunting?
Sorry
Having played PvP games since the mid 90s including all the original FPS such as counterstrike, tribes, unreal torunament through to the new ones like CoD as well as running up 1000s of hours in PvP WWII flight sims and virtual online wars and various MMPORG ... it is pretty clear that PvP involves two or more Players fighting or shooting at each other.
EVE ganking of miners and industrials is NOT in any way PvP because quite simply two players are clearly NOT shooting at each other. One player is shooting at an object controlled by the other player.
OTHERWISE ... shooting at a POS or POCO or ganking a players MTU would ALSO be called PvP. As would market scams.
That doesnt mean suicide ganking is easy it requires a lot of planning to pull off well and make profitable. But it is simply not PvP. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:51:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Sounds like a good spot for a DCU II to me There are no tech 2 drone control units. A fact that I consider highly unfortunate. If there were, however, they would surely consume 40CPU, 2PG, and reside in the solitary low slot of a rebalanced freighter. What about officer ones I'm not really so sure about that. It might turn out to be a little OP to put an officer mod on a freighter.
Takes just under a Billion in 'nados to gank a typical freighter. People would gank it just for the officer mods even if it had minimal cargo :D In fact it would get ganked just for the chat/forum street cred of "hey look at this idiot in an officer fit freighter".
Note that the recent indy changes made some ships such as the Nereus, Wreathe etc capable of actually being a viable ganking bait ship in themselves. Tthe nereus can manage a LSE and DCU for 25k or more EHP, 6 drones a couple of warp stabs and still have room for a MWD and cloak all for under 5 mill fitted. A small gang of nereus would be a hilarious but effective ganking fleet.
However the same changes have made big capacity indys like the Iteron V and Bestower even harder to tank effectively. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2014.01.05 11:44:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Wrong. Citation needed. Your shallow pretentiousness alone just doesn't cut it, sorry. You're missing incursion rewards (doesn't fall under mission rewards as it's a separate mechanic), new characters entering the game (admittedly a very small faucet), and insurance.
.. and xmas presents
do not forget xmas presents |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2014.01.06 11:41:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
Some sort of banking clan that prints money and giving the players an ability to set those up and set interest rates would be the obvious solution.
There is nothing to stop a corp or alliance doing that right now.
If "Big bad null alliance" decided to invent some alternative currency which is tracked electronically outside the game and said currency is used to "pay" members for services and goods and can be used to "buy" services and goods all through an extrnal interface memebers log in to the only issue would be trust. Afterall EVE banks are notorious for scarpering with the memebrs deposits. Maybe some sort of "Tritanium Standard" ? |
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