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Irashi
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Posted - 2006.03.17 14:33:00 -
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Edited by: Irashi on 17/03/2006 14:34:13
Imagine you are playing eve for the first time, you're in your station in an egg wondering what's going on, you click through the tutorial and eventually climb into your newbie ship and find the undock button. You fight your way through a blockade of other bewildered starter frigs clustered around the hangar door when you see an object nearby. Clicking on it you discover that this yellow diamond is in fact a cargo container, it's called 'open me pls'. You, the intrigued and confused newblet, still blinking in the light from the system's central star and gaping at the cosmic vista before him, wander over to the can and fumble with the right click menu as you try to to open it. Inside is a basic miner, you think 'That's handy I'll be able to use that' You then figure out how to take the item and a warning pops up but being excited at the prospect of a full day's mining ahead of you, you don't pay it much attention. Then you hear a noise, kind of repetitive hich pitched electronic noise, then you find yourself in a pod with no idea of how you got there or or why you're there.
Welcome to high sec PVP, confusing those who already have no idea what they're doing.
Is this misuse of a feature or what?
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Yarrmageddon
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Posted - 2006.03.17 14:40:00 -
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This yet again? ^^
It's called "learning to read warnings the hard way".
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hydraSlav
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Posted - 2006.03.17 14:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Irashi
and a warning pops up but being excited at the prospect of a full day's mining ahead of you, you don't pay it much attention.
Being new doesn't mean you have to be stupid and ignore a clear and obvious warning, especially when you are in a "new place".
Besides, when this newbie docks back at station, he will have a brand new ship fitted with the same mining laser at no cost to him.
Actually, now this becomes a good thing, since he learned a vital lesson without losing anything
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NotoMM
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:22:00 -
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Putting a can marked "free stuff here" in a noob system and then killing the noob that takes the stuff from the can could land you in trouble.
So, unless your need for a kill is very high or your fighting ability is very low, then it would be better to avoid this lamer ploy.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:24:00 -
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people asked for it, you got it.
read warnings etc etc etc
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:25:00 -
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You can petition that behavious, gm's will probably intervene and warn the perp.
It's not exactly against game rules, but it's not meant to be done either I guess.
Personally I'd ban teh idiots doing ti without a second thought, but yeah, meh.
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JamesTalon
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: hydraSlav
stuff
You realize your sig is way too big right?
I read that someone actually got banned because they did stuff like this.
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GruFF83
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:34:00 -
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see some fella doing this last night, he was cotched up in the corner of a station ready to attack, i debate whether i shud steal his crappy loot and run to annoy him of go fit out a ship and clean up :P
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: JamesTalon
Originally by: hydraSlav
stuff
You realize your sig is way too big right?
I read that someone actually got banned because they did stuff like this.
Most workers seem to ignore him anyways, it's been there for quite a while.
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Eyari
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:43:00 -
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This is like the old crap people used to do in UO...go to a city, sit near the bank, put an explosion trap / potion in a container, and set the container on the ground.
Some curious player / newb / hasn't heard about the trick yet type opens the container, and the trap goes off and instakills them.
Since it was technically a suicide, the guards don't kill the person who set the trap...further, the person gets to loot their corpse with impunity.
The only difference is the fact that Eve has a warning box...which the jury is out on really how effective it is.
Personally, I think those warnings should be counted enough, and people who don't read really can only blame themselves...at the same time, it's a "social exploit" (ie, non-software / game mechanics) and at the least the tutorial ought to have a mention of it (since it's new).
I'd personally see the people using these methods banned for a meta-game exploit, but that also robs from the free-form nature of Eve. Then again, maybe the GMs would consider it griefing and take action on these people...if so, cool.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:49:00 -
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I think I said this in another thread already today.
Basically, there are some things that should not be done in starter systems, even if they are technically within the rules.
This is one of those things.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
I think I said this in another thread already today.
Basically, there are some things that should not be done in starter systems, even if they are technically within the rules.
This is one of those things.
To be honest preying on the week is 'allowed' but i think aksing for some 1337 speak player to observe some compassion for the week may be a little diffcult
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
Originally by: Avon
I think I said this in another thread already today.
Basically, there are some things that should not be done in starter systems, even if they are technically within the rules.
This is one of those things.
To be honest preying on the week is 'allowed' but i think aksing for some 1337 speak player to observe some compassion for the week may be a little diffcult
Who said anything about asking them?
Ban them.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:02:00 -
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a bit harsh..dont you think.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
a bit harsh..dont you think.
Not really, no.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:10:00 -
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Some ppl play this game for the killboard stats...
I view this type of play similar to ore thieving in starter systems...
But that was allowed for years, and still is...
I guess ppl should just read the warning.
In any event, those who get killed will be taught a valuable lesson to read the warnings more closely...
Also, their starter clone will more than cover their SP total...
I'm not condoning that style of play, but if ore thieves and the like are allowed to *****noobs in starter systems, I don't see much of a difference...
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Vertical Aim
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: hydraSlav
Originally by: Irashi
and a warning pops up but being excited at the prospect of a full day's mining ahead of you, you don't pay it much attention.
Being new doesn't mean you have to be stupid and ignore a clear and obvious warning, especially when you are in a "new place".
Besides, when this newbie docks back at station, he will have a brand new ship fitted with the same mining laser at no cost to him.
Actually, now this becomes a good thing, since he learned a vital lesson without losing anything
Although I could be wrong I doubt this is the message devs want to convey to BRAND new players, if they get a new ship or not isnt the point, the point is the impression it leaves on BRAND NEW players about eve and the players AND the developement team that allows 2 second old people to get blown up in "high sec".
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NotoMM
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
I view this type of play similar to ore thieving in starter systems...
The big difference is that with ore theft all you lose is what was stolen.
Originally by: Bhaal
I guess ppl should just read the warning.
How can a noob tell the difference between some nice guy trying to help them and an evil guy who wants to kill them?
Originally by: Bhaal
Also, their starter clone will more than cover their SP total...
Not always true.
Originally by: Bhaal
I'm not condoning that style of play, but if ore thieves and the like are allowed to *****noobs in starter systems, I don't see much of a difference...
...hope you do now.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 17/03/2006 17:08:17
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How can a noob tell the difference between some nice guy trying to help them and an evil guy who wants to kill them?
By reading the warning popup box.
By not taking something that doesn't belong to them.
If a nice guy is going to be helping noobs, he'll escrow them stuff, send them ISK or trade in a station, not setup bait cans with candy in them outside the starter station...
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Karl Shade
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:25:00 -
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The Popup clearly states that taking stuff from the can will let the owner kill you.
Oh and just because a player is new thereŠs no reason to demean them by assuming they canŠt read a clearly worded message.
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Freya Runestone
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:37:00 -
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i think they should include this in the tutorial, not this particular case, but like they warn about shooting at something in the tutorial, and the warn about the danger of going to low sec space, they should warn about the way criminal flaggin works too..
shouldn't be that hard, just add something like
"if you engage anyone else, they will be able to attack you for the next 15 minutes legally, CONCORD does not tolerate any kind of crimes, and therefor, they will alow the victim to take revenge. I will warn you about this if you should try to do so, be it accidental or deliberate, so please read the warnings, or you will end up wishing you did"
thats something i wanted back when i was a noob, back then ofcourse there wasn't any can flagging (this is my second character)
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