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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 03:14:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 03:17:18 Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 03:16:31
Im not going into details but as i was getting all the pics together, to post this evening, I wanted to release this one FIRST..
This picture gives me some superior memories and will be one of the best in EVE I have ever expierienced...
TO ALL ISD STAFF - THIS ONE IS FOR YOU - READ CAREFULLY the details on the webpage.
I think many will laugh and laugh....
by the way MaCayle was one of the people whom came and saved my butt period when it all got busy at the meet and great checking everyone in...she SAVED MY BUTT BIGTIME..
McCayle - My personally sentiments... If for some reason you leave being Vice Admiral OF ISD I am gonna be VERY UPSET - you do a most excellent JOB
the catch to this post is you have to be in ISD to really know why this is MY favorite Photo of EVE Gathering 2006 ...or know me well in game in the help channel
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
Arlenik Emmanouelik
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Posted - 2006.03.18 04:33:00 -
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Take it easy man, she isn't that hot. Though it Looks like someone is desperate.
And yes I'm sure she does an excellent job. But for those of us who aren't in ISD, nor know you well in game, please do tell why this is your favorite photo of EVE Gathering. Peace!
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.03.18 04:39:00 -
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Im slightly in awe of the guy in the background holding the cup... it is kinda... hovering in his hand...
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Capt Harlock
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Posted - 2006.03.18 04:54:00 -
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I want one of those eve passes she has around her neck. Don't ask me why? I don't know I just want one
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:00:00 -
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Am I the only one who looked at all of this and said "I don't get it"?
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Am I the only one who looked at all of this and said "I don't get it"?
Bob got 'pwned'
Evidently.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Originally by: Nyphur Am I the only one who looked at all of this and said "I don't get it"?
Bob got 'pwned' Evidently.
Now I'm even more confused. What the hell?
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Slink Grinsdikild
Originally by: Nyphur Am I the only one who looked at all of this and said "I don't get it"?
Bob got 'pwned' Evidently.
Now I'm even more confused. What the hell?
No offense to anyone, but I think Bob was suprised that a women that he did not pay was there. And more suprised it was a ISD, and the intense Nevada heat must have made him get that @_@ Bill Nye the science guy suprised look.
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Arlenik Emmanouelik
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:12:00 -
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lol, oh so that's what it was. I thought it was because Kobe Bryant was on the tv screen in the background.
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Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:14:00 -
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I'm still focused on that glass the guy next to her is holding :o
btw again no offense, but anyone notice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bill_nye_science_guy.jpg
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Justus Imperius No offense to anyone, but I think Bob was suprised that a women that he did not pay was there. And more suprised it was a ISD, and the intense Nevada heat must have made him get that @_@ Bill Nye the science guy suprised look.
O...k.... am I the only one who finds this thread creepy?
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 05:45:23 Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 05:44:24
Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik Take it easy man, she isn't that hot. Though it Looks like someone is desperate.
And yes I'm sure she does an excellent job. But for those of us who aren't in ISD, nor know you well in game, please do tell why this is your favorite photo of EVE Gathering. Peace!
this is NOTHING about HOT....as her husband was not but a few steps away...dude...that was wrong for you to even say....
ok ok... I HAVE A RAP SHEET A MILE LONG AT ISD and its NOT good:P...put it this way...I probably will never ever be able to work with ISD forever and or apply to CCP for a job if i even wanted to....
It is a LONG standing JOKE with myself and ISD and CCP...but seriously..a few years back i was not the most kind player in eve and caused some major mayhem....stuff im not to proud of these days....
I have learned alot from eve and its not how to get isk either...
this memory for me is about how eve taught me the meaning of pride...friendships...honor...and most of all respect to others in a much higher plain then I once was on
and how it all came to a head in one introduction...in one evening...for me personally
this was nothing about anything suggested above...
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
Justus Imperius
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHole Bob Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 05:40:25 Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 05:38:48
Originally by: Arlenik Emmanouelik Take it easy man, she isn't that hot. Though it Looks like someone is desperate.
And yes I'm sure she does an excellent job. But for those of us who aren't in ISD, nor know you well in game, please do tell why this is your favorite photo of EVE Gathering. Peace!
this is NOTHING about HOT....as her husband was not but a few steps away...dude...that was wrong for you to even say....
ok ok... I HAVE A RAP SHEET A MILE LONG AT ISD and its NOT good:P...put it this way...I probably will never ever be able to work with ISD forever and or apply to CCP for a job if i even wanted to....
It is a LONG standing JOKE with myself and ISD and CCP...but seriously..a few years back i was not the most kind player in eve and caused some major mayhem....stuff im not to proud of these days....
I have learned alot from eve and its not how to get isk either...
But, has anyone ever told you that you resemble the great Nye?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHole Bob ok ok... I HAVE A RAP SHEET A MILE LONG AT ISD and its NOT good:P...put it this way...I probably will never ever be able to work with ISD forever and or apply to CCP for a job if i even wanted to....
It is a LONG standing JOKE with myself and ISD and CCP...but seriously..a few years back i was not the most kind player in eve and caused some major mayhem....stuff im not to proud of these days....
Ohhhh. Now I get it :). It's like someone with a pretty bad criminal record introducing themselves to someone and them introducing themselves back as the chief of police.
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: BlackHole Bob ok ok... I HAVE A RAP SHEET A MILE LONG AT ISD and its NOT good:P...put it this way...I probably will never ever be able to work with ISD forever and or apply to CCP for a job if i even wanted to....
It is a LONG standing JOKE with myself and ISD and CCP...but seriously..a few years back i was not the most kind player in eve and caused some major mayhem....stuff im not to proud of these days....
Ohhhh. Now I get it :). It's like someone with a pretty bad criminal record introducing themselves to someone and them introducing themselves back as the chief of police.
EXACTLY.....I was almost speechless for a good 15 seconds
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 05:57:05
Quote: But, has anyone ever told you that you resemble the great Nye?
yes once or twice lol
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.03.18 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: BlackHole Bob ok ok... I HAVE A RAP SHEET A MILE LONG AT ISD and its NOT good:P...put it this way...I probably will never ever be able to work with ISD forever and or apply to CCP for a job if i even wanted to....
It is a LONG standing JOKE with myself and ISD and CCP...but seriously..a few years back i was not the most kind player in eve and caused some major mayhem....stuff im not to proud of these days....
Ohhhh. Now I get it :). It's like someone with a pretty bad criminal record introducing themselves to someone and them introducing themselves back as the chief of police.
EXACTLY.....I was almost speechless for a good 15 seconds
Bahahha, now I get it. Man that must have been funny.
How many showed up in the end? I only ask cos I'd like to got to Fan Fest Australia at Rooty Hill (Las Vegas of teh West!!1!) but I reckon I'd have to take some part in making it happen and would need to gather data to get backing etc etc ....
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: BlackHole Bob ok ok... I HAVE A RAP SHEET A MILE LONG AT ISD and its NOT good:P...put it this way...I probably will never ever be able to work with ISD forever and or apply to CCP for a job if i even wanted to....
It is a LONG standing JOKE with myself and ISD and CCP...but seriously..a few years back i was not the most kind player in eve and caused some major mayhem....stuff im not to proud of these days....
Ohhhh. Now I get it :). It's like someone with a pretty bad criminal record introducing themselves to someone and them introducing themselves back as the chief of police.
EXACTLY.....I was almost speechless for a good 15 seconds
Bahahha, now I get it. Man that must have been funny.
How many showed up in the end? I only ask cos I'd like to got to Fan Fest Australia at Rooty Hill (Las Vegas of teh West!!1!) but I reckon I'd have to take some part in making it happen and would need to gather data to get backing etc etc ....
just over 100 hundred total and 832 max listening LIVE on the net...
yeah to say the least i was shocked....yeah i got pwned...most of senior ISD and such know me...from those past embarrasing moments for myself...
I just thought in the good spirit of eve...that maybe they would get a good chuckle on me...and my pride is dimmed and my sentiments about ISD overall is not what is was a longtime ago...
like myself i "grew up" as a gamer for like the ump-teenth time over the years...just as volunteer support has done the same over the years as it has evolved ...in all games...
ISD prolly uses me as a new ISD training tool in help channel...as in.......
ok your new...bobs in the help channel..if you can deal with him you pass our test here at ISD ...for dealing with really fine line walking of what I can get away with type players...LOL
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.18 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHole Bob
yeah to say the least i was shocked....yeah i got pwned...most of senior ISD and such know me...from those past embarrasing moments for myself...
Technically I think Kieron is the head of ISD, as the community manager. You want to be even more scared? He knows where you live!
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Ductoris
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Posted - 2006.03.18 06:54:00 -
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Glad to see you had a chance to interact with ISD outside of offical emails
I had the chance to meet MaCayle at Fanfest and she's a good person. I'm also glad to hear things worked out this week, flying all the way to Iceland is a bit of a pain for us US people.
Now, how about a shrine to Kerion?
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.18 09:52:00 -
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Hey, Bob... You're old.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.18 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Asane Hey, Bob... You're old.
Quite. I didn't know we had many people over 30 in the game but they pop up everywhere.
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.18 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Quite. I didn't know we had many people over 30 in the game but they pop up everywhere.
They're not mushrooms you know
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.18 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Asane
Originally by: Nyphur Quite. I didn't know we had many people over 30 in the game but they pop up everywhere.
They're not mushrooms you know
Could have fooled me!
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ductoris Glad to see you had a chance to interact with ISD outside of offical emails
I had the chance to meet MaCayle at Fanfest and she's a good person. I'm also glad to hear things worked out this week, flying all the way to Iceland is a bit of a pain for us US people.
Now, how about a shrine to Kerion?
A Shrine to Kieron....hmm......I prolly get a perma ban..LOL
and yes im 44 years old...yes im old if your 20 or young if your 65...
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.03.18 10:57:00 -
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hehehe must have been some moment..
did you get that thing you wanted at the end? the live feed broke and all i heard was them saying no but we consider....
got a bit frustrated when it went silent
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 11:12:43
Originally by: MissileRus hehehe must have been some moment..
did you get that thing you wanted at the end? the live feed broke and all i heard was them saying no but we consider....
got a bit frustrated when it went silent
the devs made a joke on my joke...LOL
they said instead of and imperial apoc, they would give me and ENIGMA - jovian frigate - 8-7-8 in mod slots and almost like max everything like shields and armour and such...
the joke is where would i even get jovian piloting skill frigate level 1 to fly it...LOL
but i could drop it into a chat window to LOOK at...
so in all of this...i was not out for anything like that...my reward was seeing everyone having a riot and partying all themed and in the spirit of eve...
that rocks...no money can give me that feeling of achievement to bring this much happiness and fun to so many...
this is why our company builds world class audio visual lighting computerized systems...because nothing is more rewarding them knowing you had a big hand in bringing so much fun to so many people...when all the bic lighters light payment is made in spades...
but i still need to get the pay check to ...i cant just party and not eat LOL :P:P
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
SHINJI AKARI
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:15:00 -
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I still love you Bob. Go get em buddy! :)
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:17:00 -
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EVE got a lot of older players, prolly got to do with the fact u do have to be able to pay for this game in some form as well. (be it cc or some form of bankaccount)
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 11:24:26
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
yeah to say the least i was shocked....yeah i got pwned...most of senior ISD and such know me...from those past embarrasing moments for myself...
Technically I think Kieron is the head of ISD, as the community manager. You want to be even more scared? He knows where you live!
kieron is in charge of ISD, STAR, bug hunters and two more groups i cannot remember...(just very tired after all this and then doing live sound checks today and a show tonight
kieron came to say goodbye this morning as the band was loading in....
MaCayle is Vice Admiral of ISD...next step above her is kieron...
my expierinces, with all of the above, have been that if one of Kierons 5 leads..like wrangler here with the forum mods...makes a command decision he stand behind them 100% always when facts come out...that my friends is good leadership....
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHole Bob
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kieron is in charge of ISD, STAR, bug hunters and two more groups i cannot remember...
Here is a good overview of all of the ISD divisions and what they do.
here's the one for CRC.
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jacques Archambault
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
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kieron is in charge of ISD, STAR, bug hunters and two more groups i cannot remember...
Here is a good overview of all of the ISD divisions and what they do.
here's the one for CRC.
hey i never knew this exsisted...thank you Jacques Archambault...very kewl
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:49:00 -
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Quote: my expierinces, with all of the above, have been that if one of Kierons 5 leads..like wrangler here with the forum mods...makes a command decision he stand behind them 100% always when facts come out...that my friends is good leadership....
Even when they're wrong
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Gythar
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Asane Hey, Bob... You're old.
Quite. I didn't know we had many people over 30 in the game but they pop up everywhere.
Well, there are some of us turning 40 this year And I know active players older than that in the game.
As the old saying goes, "Old age and treachery will always trump youth and talent"
Cheers,
Gythar
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:56:00 -
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Funny thing is, while we do take our ISD work seriously, most of us never really gets angry about the things we see, and we never really hold a grudge. Personally, if I get angry it only lasts for about a day at most.
The exception is most things relating to EVE Forum Rule 11.
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: MOOstradamus
Quote: my expierinces, with all of the above, have been that if one of Kierons 5 leads..like wrangler here with the forum mods...makes a command decision he stand behind them 100% always when facts come out...that my friends is good leadership....
Even when they're wrong
lol...i said when all facts come out...i know ex-ISD who broke rules and got axed quickly...so no, not when they are wrong...kieron will drop the hammer if they are TOO wrong...
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 12:06:51 Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 18/03/2006 12:03:49
Originally by: Wrangler Funny thing is, while we do take our ISD work seriously, most of us never really gets angry about the things we see, and we never really hold a grudge. Personally, if I get angry it only lasts for about a day at most.
The exception is most things relating to EVE Forum Rule 11.
Many pilots asked if you [wrangler] were at the gathering........i think Seleene was one of them:P:P:P
Next year one of our goals is to give ISD as much opprtunity to attend as we can..
we will start with FREE entrance to evegathering 2007 for ALL ISD whom wish to attend...
being next years gathering will be huge as CCP will PARTNER with Procore, this will be HUGE (not kidding here). We might even pay travel cost for some ISD, even if over seas.. if they help us with eve gathering...we have to pay labor anyways so why not pay it into the eve community...
win win for all involved from end to end
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Next year one of our goals is to give ISD as much opprtunity to attend as we can..
we will start with FREE entrance to evegathering 2007 for ALL ISD whom wish to attend...
Login traps? ----------------
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHole Bob kieron is in charge of ISD, STAR, bug hunters and two more groups i cannot remember...(just very tired after all this and then doing live sound checks today and a show tonight
kieron came to say goodbye this morning as the band was loading in....
MaCayle is Vice Admiral of ISD...next step above her is kieron...
my expierinces, with all of the above, have been that if one of Kierons 5 leads..like wrangler here with the forum mods...makes a command decision he stand behind them 100% always when facts come out...that my friends is good leadership....
kieron is the community and volunteer manager, or Admiral of ISD. Above him we have Oveur, who is senior producer and also Admiral of ISD, and above those two is of course Hellmar, CCPs CEO.
ISD consists of five teams now, ECAID/BH (Bughunters), STAR (In game player help support thingy), CRC (Forum moderators), AURORA (Events team) and our newest team, IC (News people). Each team has one, or in some cases two, Vice Admirals, running their team. Below that we have a set of ranks, but they're used a bit differently in each team.
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Next year one of our goals is to give ISD as much opprtunity to attend as we can..
we will start with FREE entrance to evegathering 2007 for ALL ISD whom wish to attend...
Login traps?
LOL...that made be burst out laughing
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Next year one of our goals is to give ISD as much opprtunity to attend as we can..
we will start with FREE entrance to evegathering 2007 for ALL ISD whom wish to attend...
Login traps?
LOL...that made be burst out laughing
^.^
I can imagine all the rotten eggs, fruits, etc. waiting to reach their targets when ISDs are waiting at the entrance to jump to the next room.
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire I can imagine all the rotten eggs, fruits, etc. waiting to reach their targets when ISDs are waiting at the entrance to jump to the next room.
[:lol:
hehe we had pirates, carebears, CCP, CRC, miners, CORP Pros, battle fleet commanders, new players less then 90 days old...all in one room...
everyone was so kind and in good spirit ..it shined bright for eve...as in testimony to its strong community...
Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th |
Da Death
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Posted - 2006.03.18 12:29:00 -
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Bob, nice impressive pic u have, ur older then me? shame on u
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Hime Kaizoku
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Posted - 2006.03.18 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Asane Hey, Bob... You're old.
Quite. I didn't know we had many people over 30 in the game but they pop up everywhere.
/me waves, yup I'm over 30. Same with most of my corp, and associates. Go figure
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SMercer
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Posted - 2006.03.18 14:15:00 -
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im suprished that there haventb een any reported fights at eve gatherings you here so many flames of im going to push your teeth to the back of your throat for killing me.
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Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.03.18 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Harlock I want one of those eve passes she has around her neck. Don't ask me why? I don't know I just want one
How much do you want it?
*dances*
God, I'm so unprofessional! ---
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Capt Harlock
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Posted - 2006.03.21 09:08:00 -
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Edited by: Capt Harlock on 21/03/2006 09:11:07
Quote: How much do you want it?
WAAAAAA I am upset that i don't have one but i could never take a treasured possesion like that off someone.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.03.21 09:11:00 -
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You look like Doc Brown
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.21 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Asane Hey, Bob... You're old.
Quite. I didn't know we had many people over 30 in the game but they pop up everywhere.
Lol, then you aren't looking right. Average age of EVEian is 30 if it's not over 30. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
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