EVE Search - An Open Letter to the Wormhole Community

Key Dett wrote:

Benjamin Hamburg wrote:

Tyrant Scorn wrote:

Benjamin Hamburg wrote:

I just read the 2 most intelligent posts in 4 years. I also totally agree with the OP. But I'll make a sad observation of the state of affair regarding this issue. Although this comprehension is enlightened and true, the application of the conclusion (i.e: try to be fair, honorable, use of-áself control-áand promotion of mutual respect) require a set of human faculties and an intelligence of others that only a few have.

You have two separate issues that play a role in this. The first is communication and the second is playstyle and the two are completely separate from each other, however, some people play like they communicate, but they are separate things.

We gank, we pillage and plunder others and we cause grief but it doesn't always reflect what kind of person we are. The people we gank and grief can often not see through the actions and judge our personality based on the grief we have caused them, often leading to outrageous eve-mails, smacktalk and the occasional threatening and name calling... It is in this response where we loose our empathy and patience and in our responses all of our good intentions or any sort of positive reflection of who we are is lost.

For a lot of players it takes a really long time to understand the sandbox pvp game concept. They do not understand that once we log into the game, we are merely looking for a good time and for a lot of people having a good time is to go out, gank a few people, win or loose a fight and then log off. The victims of our actions often ask too much from us, they automatically assume we know that they are mining, missioning or hauling 5 billion of their hard earned money and they assume that we miraculously know they are sweethearts and angels and do not deserve to be ganked at all... Well... to quote a wise woman that once said: "Ain't nobody got time for that..."

I completely agree with you and I, too, grief, gank and smacktalk. We all do, like the OP said himself. And I won't stop doing it. We can improve how we see pvp though.

To continue on my idea, I was more or less refering to the thrive of dominance of larger entities, how it is caused by human nature at both an individual and communal level, and how it's hard to change that in the first place. Having a "good time" shouldn't necessarily invoke " ganking this 5-man gang with our 20 T3s fleet with logis support - just cause we can and for lol- " like the OP stated. As a PvPer myself, the fights I found to be the most enjoyable were the ones we won, or lost, by a small margin. Those where we weren't trolling anyone when we putted "gf" in local. Those where we acknowledged that our foe played well or better than us. Sure, we still gank here and there that poor carebear or indus, or small fleet... but that's not exactly what i describe as " fun ". It's satisfying, yes, but once you fight once in your wh life a T3 fleet with your own T3 fleet, you (i did too) realized that this, is what is really exciting about EVE.

But for sure, we all have our own vision about EVE and it's people.

I will completely echo what Benjamin said, once you have a real fight against a equal foe then nothing else compares. This is why Sky will do arranged fights against other groups we know and respect. To me there is no huge blue list in W Space. If we bumped into Kill, SSC, HK, or any of the other groups we were blue with last week to shoot SYJ then we would fight.

A few days ago Kill rolled into us during our off time and then agreed to fight in smaller ships with equal numbers. They won that fight and props to them for that. If they had sat on the wormhole in their tech 3 fleet chest beating and asking for our 6 or 7 guys to fight they wouldn't have gotten it and no one would have had any fun. Last night we fought a C6 group called Oath of the Forsaken. Initially we thought they had better numbers than they did so we jumped in 15 tech 3s with logi support into the their hole waiting for them to come at us. We had ganked a few of their site runners earlier and expected them to drop tech 3s and caps on us. After having a convo with them we realized they had 6 guys so we agreed to fight in static in non tech3s with no logi. I could have easily told my guys to blob the hell out of them as I had 25 in fleet but we fought 6 v 6 and it was awesome. Both sides were happy with the outcome and mutual respect was gained by both.

It all comes down to how you want to play the game. Not all groups play the way you think it should be played Tyrant nor do all groups play the way we think they should. I think you will find that the larger groups will usually try and match whoever they are facing as they don't want to sit and pos spin. That is why its a sandbox and everyone gets to play the way they want too.