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Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:23:00 - [31] Edited by: Kalened on 19/03/2006 23:23:34 Originally by: Rajon Kelper Quote: oh we had a 300 man fight there. 5/FE forces lost about 50 bs's on my rough estimate. G/Iron lost 3 or 4. Lag was the decisive factor. Most 5/FE losses if not all were due to lag. I could target and get a lock but then my weapons wouldnt work. It was pretty worthless i think everyone involved would agree. um, ya, 90% of your kills in that 'engagement' were due to CCP not loading screens, etc, until AFTER you relogged after being podded without your screen loading... not so impressive on your part. You killed about 15-17 BSs TOPS in that (counted cans after I was podded and my screen finally loaded before I relogged to zap myself to a station), and we killed about 3-4 then. 50 vs 2? Please. Naph's stats are a bit more accurate, tbh, though like any biased poster im sure are at least a bit off. CCP won this battle. ALSO: would like to point out that his cannot yet be classified as a 'battle for d7'. Iron/G have put up 1 large PoS each and have yet to submit a PoS-killing fleet dedicated to the removal of the multiple F-E PoSs in the system. Better named a 'battle in d7'. Thank you, and lets keep this thread flame free, plz. IRON alone killed 20 bs's. I dont even know what the others had for kills. Doesnt really matter anyway. I think we achieved what we set out to do today. You had to come stop us and the lag monster screwed it all up :( Maybe next time we'll have some fun.
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:24:00 - [32] Do we HAVE to go over numbers again? Tonight F-E got totally wtfowned by Iron and G as you can clearly see from the killboards. They must have killed 70ish of us and we popped only one or two stragglers. They are in total control of D7 and are about to take the station with their uber carriers of doom. Or not... What really happened: It started with a fun battle in H-W when the RZR gang tried to get in the fate gang. We have 9 confirmed BS kills on that and 2 losses (G/Iron/Fate killboards show the same 2 FE losses, but miss most of their own losses), but we lost a lot of support in the fight. Then we decided it would be cool to jump into D7 and merge our gangs. We jumped, G warped their 150-men fleet on our 25 or so guys, the lagmonster hit, we lost 15-ish BS in the mess, killed 2 or maybe 3. Gf were exchanged in local. Then after an hour or so the [5]/F-E fleet killed 4 Fate. BS that were outside the G PoS and as I type this F-E/5 is in control of the system picking off a straggler here and there. All in all we did about equal damage to one another. G set up their PoS'es which was probably their goal for the evening, FE and [5] control the field just as the evenings before.
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:24:00 - [33] Originally by: Kalened Not really sure how you're checking the IRON killboard since it only shows the last 6 kills. how's that? i can see all your kills since sunday Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:26:00 - [34] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 19/03/2006 23:26:40 Originally by: Kalened Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Kalened Not really sure how you're checking the IRON killboard since it only shows the last 6 kills. how's that? i can see all your kills since sunday Pretty sure you're looking at the one we dont use anymore. Some kills still get posted there but our main board is elsewhere. ah that might be it, update your kb info in the kb thread pretty plz then Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Kalened Not really sure how you're checking the IRON killboard since it only shows the last 6 kills. how's that? i can see all your kills since sunday Pretty sure you're looking at the one we dont use anymore. Some kills still get posted there but our main board is elsewhere.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 19/03/2006 23:26:40 Originally by: Kalened Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Kalened Not really sure how you're checking the IRON killboard since it only shows the last 6 kills. how's that? i can see all your kills since sunday Pretty sure you're looking at the one we dont use anymore. Some kills still get posted there but our main board is elsewhere. ah that might be it, update your kb info in the kb thread pretty plz then I'd give you a link but i'm not sure its public :P
Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:27:00 - [37] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Do we HAVE to go over numbers again? Tonight F-E got totally wtfowned by Iron and G as you can clearly see from the killboards. They must have killed 70ish of us and we popped only one or two stragglers. They are in total control of D7 and are about to take the station with their uber carriers of doom. Or not... What really happened: It started with a fun battle in H-W when the RZR gang tried to get in the fate gang. We have 9 confirmed BS kills on that and 2 losses (G/Iron/Fate killboards show the same 2 FE losses, but miss most of their own losses), but we lost a lot of support in the fight. Then we decided it would be cool to jump into D7 and merge our gangs. We jumped, G warped their 150-men fleet on our 25 or so guys, the lagmonster hit, we lost 15-ish BS in the mess, killed 2 or maybe 3. Gf were exchanged in local. Then after an hour or so the [5]/F-E fleet killed 4 Fate. BS that were outside the G PoS and as I type this F-E/5 is in control of the system picking off a straggler here and there. All in all we did about equal damage to one another. G set up their PoS'es which was probably their goal for the evening, FE and [5] control the field just as the evenings before. Sounds almost right. You forget after we killed all the FE that tried to jump in we went back to the H-W gate and slaughtered about 50 .5 members of there 100 man fleet.
Tiuwaz	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:29:00 - [38] Originally by: Kalened I'd give you a link but i'm not sure its public :P evemail me the link then i am not the public Originally by: Oveur ****! Lets nerf it! To the nerfmobile!
Naphtalia	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:30:00 - [39] Edited by: Naphtalia on 19/03/2006 23:33:54 Update the link in the killboard chat then ;) anyways, seems Fate had most (a lot) of the iron kills already... whatever 50 vs 2 is utter bullcrap.. that is the only thing I wanted to show... even if ALL iron kills are not on g/rzr/fate board it would be 23 v 47 ;) edit: Oh and none of those 20 iron kills are on the old board :) But just to reiterate... like in the last thread it was Celes/g/iron/fate/etc that started throwing with numbers first.... 50v2 pah ;) 25 v 35 is more likely after all kills are in.
Ramireza	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:30:00 - [40] Guys, why you are speaking about "We have killed, blah, blah, blah.." and "Nonono, we have killed blah, blah, blah..." THIS time NO side REALY killed something, lag killed all ships (and fun) today. Maybe we must "rethink" our acting in wars, its impossible for 380 ppl to get a cool battle... (BTW : My Crow survived \o/)
Captain Tinrib	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:31:00 - [41] Kills/Losses are irrelevant and highly subjective, its our word against yours. Regardless FE still controls its core systems, we are happy for G to throw all they got at us until they have had enough and go back to find Bob controls thier space. Kills
Daxes	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Kalened Not really sure how you're checking the IRON killboard since it only shows the last 6 kills. how's that? i can see all your kills since sunday u are looking at the old iron killboard.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:31:00 - [43] Anyway i'm not trying to smack anyone. I think both sides did good considering the servers weren't cooperating. I noticed no smack from FE and Lamb Chop was pretty cool about me killing his scorp while he was lagged out. I'd say i didnt notice any smack from .5 but i have 99% of that alliance blocked. All in all it was an interesting day. Should be an interesting month.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Ramireza Guys, why you are speaking about "We have killed, blah, blah, blah.." and "Nonono, we have killed blah, blah, blah..." THIS time NO side REALY killed something, lag killed all ships (and fun) today. Maybe we must "rethink" our acting in wars, its impossible for 380 ppl to get a cool battle... (BTW : My Crow survived \o/) Theres no other way to go to war. War is total. We can't place limits on numbers. It's up to CCP to either accomodate us or restrict us. They make the rules.
Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Captain Tinrib Kills/Losses are irrelevant and highly subjective, its our word against yours. Regardless FE still controls its core systems, we are happy for G to throw all they got at us until they have had enough and go back to find Bob controls thier space. So you're hoping BoB counter attacks G to save you guys? You're already lost if thats the case.
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:34:00 - [46] Quote: Sounds almost right. You forget after we killed all the FE that tried to jump in we went back to the H-W gate and slaughtered about 50 .5 members of there 100 man fleet. I find that quite hard to believe since I was at that gate at the FE slaughter. My Mega went poof as many others with the difference I actually made it into warp before it popped (dont ask). When I was FINALLY in my pod about 10 minutes later I was looking at some 60 [5] BS. I also know no killboard is accurate but as I painfully experience in our war vs [5] theirs is 70-80% spot on when it comes to losses. I see now 50 [5] losses on their board. Where exacly did you kill this '50 [5] BS' everyone is talking about? I surely dont see them anywhere. Not even on your own boards.
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:34:00 - [47] F-E/[5] jumped into IRON/G/RZR/FATE in D7. Firstly F-E lagged out and got completey owned at the h-w gate. Then [5]/f-e filterd in through the wh gate again completely lagged out and got owned, emergency warpers couldnt get out and the ones that did immediatly came back in again and got killed. Only reason IRON/G won was because we had a tiny bit more control over the completely controlless ships of F-E/5, it was a crap fight, locking defensless targets and then waiting 3 hours for guns to fire. People talking about numbers, both sides, shutup, its pointless, all those people died to lag, and they will most likely get thier ships back.
Ramireza	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:35:00 - [48] Originally by: Kalened Originally by: Ramireza Guys, why you are speaking about "We have killed, blah, blah, blah.." and "Nonono, we have killed blah, blah, blah..." THIS time NO side REALY killed something, lag killed all ships (and fun) today. Maybe we must "rethink" our acting in wars, its impossible for 380 ppl to get a cool battle... (BTW : My Crow survived \o/) Theres no other way to go to war. War is total. We can't place limits on numbers. It's up to CCP to either accomodate us or restrict us. They make the rules. Rigth, but i cant imagine that CCP will find a way to make such battles like today realy playable
Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Darko1107 F-E/[5] jumped into IRON/G/RZR/FATE in D7. Firstly F-E lagged out and got completey owned at the h-w gate. Then [5]/f-e filterd in through the wh gate again completely lagged out and got owned, emergency warpers couldnt get out and the ones that did immediatly came back in again and got killed. Only reason IRON/G won was because we had a tiny bit more control over the completely controlless ships of F-E/5, it was a crap fight, locking defensless targets and then waiting 3 hours for guns to fire. People talking about numbers, both sides, shutup, its pointless, all those people died to lag, and they will most likely get thier ships back. /nod..
Kalened	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Quote: Sounds almost right. You forget after we killed all the FE that tried to jump in we went back to the H-W gate and slaughtered about 50 .5 members of there 100 man fleet. I find that quite hard to believe since I was at that gate at the FE slaughter. My Mega went poof as many others with the difference I actually made it into warp before it popped (dont ask). When I was FINALLY in my pod about 10 minutes later I was looking at some 60 [5] BS. I also know no killboard is accurate but as I painfully experience in our war vs [5] theirs is 70-80% spot on when it comes to losses. I see now 50 [5] losses on their board. Where exacly did you kill this '50 [5] BS' everyone is talking about? I surely dont see them anywhere. Not even on your own boards. It might not have been 50.. might have only been 35 or so. Thats where IRON got most of our kills. Darko is right numbers and events dont really matter as we all have our own perspective. Lag was the only winner.
machinis fit	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:37:00 - [51] Originally by: Kalened Edited by: Kalened on 19/03/2006 22:50:29 oh we had a 300 man fight there. 5/FE forces lost about 50 bs's on my rough estimate. G/Iron lost 3 or 4. Lag was the decisive factor. Most 5/FE losses if not all were due to lag. I could target and get a lock but then my weapons wouldnt work. It was pretty worthless i think everyone involved would agree. edit oh and props to 5/FE for jumping in. It was kind of necessary so it was on you to do but still it took alot of brass to jump into what was waiting for you. Hopefully we'll get some better lag results in the near future. 50 bs loses in d7?
Darko1107	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Naphtalia Originally by: Darko1107 stuff. I agree darko... although the fight in H-W at the MSHD gate was fun.. 90 in local 20 FATE. in MSHD 20 RZR jumped in from D7 and warped on top of us... about 32 F-E+Friends in the middle... so I guess those 70 pilots at least had some fun! After we jumped to D7 it was just crap.. CMD woodlouse I guess was counting down a warp and warped first... (or was the only one alligned properly) coz he showed up with 3 others @ H-W gate at least 10seconds before the rest... (I bet he died before he even loaded.) I never saw more then 20-30 hostiles on the H-W gate.. did you warp in in strength? Yes your fight with the 20 RZR and FATE was the only lagless battle i was told. Woody always gets excited and warps in first then gets pwned :P Our enitre fleet warped in just after those 3, there was about 150 of us vrs just your 20-30, and you obviosly couldnt warp out, so there was an obvious winner once the lag set in.
Quillan Rage	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:41:00 - [53] Wouldn't have thought Fate got all the kills, would have thought it would be the G/IRON gangs in D7 at both gates, although Lag won without a doubt. The way it happened... 1.) Warp to gate 2.) Wait 2 minutes whilst screen loads 3.) Hear targets called on TS, attempt to lock target, get message that target no longer exists 4.) Finally lock a target, watch its shield, armour and hull dissappear whilst you attempt to activate your guns 5.) At the first encounter I would estimate around 10-15 BS kills 6.) Warp to other gate to engage 5 7.) See points 2,3,4 8.) Estimated BS kills here about 10-15 kills This was no fun and I can only imagine what it must have been like for the enemy jumping in only to get picked off 1 by 1 as the system loaded on their PCs. If CCP are able to divert resources to warzones it would be a good idea to do so as after waiting all day to engage, not being able to lock or fire on a single target after doing so is not what I pay my monthly fee to experience. Then people wonder why smaller gank fleets are so popular!
Pant Alones	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:42:00 - [54] Arguing over numbers is completely pointless here. With so many people involved there is no way anyones killboard is accurate right now, and even if the numbers are accurate they dont mean much because the lag was so terrible I didn't get a shot off the whole time, and i think i only succesfully locked about 2 people. ------------------------
Naphtalia	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Darko1107 Yes your fight with the 20 RZR and FATE was the only lagless battle i was told. Woody always gets excited and warps in first then gets pwned :P Our enitre fleet warped in just after those 3, there was about 150 of us vrs just your 20-30, and you obviosly couldnt warp out, so there was an obvious winner once the lag set in. well we were not all stuck in the dictorbubble... on my screen it looked all well 20-30 of you vs 20-30 of us.. your guys were actually going down (3-4 warpoffs in structure 3-4 kills or so) so I thought lets slug it out till the end while the .5. fight at the other gate.. If I would have known there were 150 of you there lol... would have left the ones in the bubble to die and warp of who was alive o.O
Awalance	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:47:00 - [56] main atraction of this game are the large fleet battles who involved hundreds of ppl ...but seams after 4 years of eve ...ccp is unable to do somthing abaut it proly soon to avaoid lags we will chouse 1 man from each side ..to fight echoder and who won from thoes 2 take all ..like in F**** old times ------------------------
thoth foc	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:48:00 - [57] tbh we had a much better opportunity to for a fight in IMK.. unfortunately as the numbers started evening out, G recalled Iron --thoth (aka orbs) [5], ex-Curse Alliance ex-DSMA We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing...
Reprisa	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:51:00 - [58] i was 4 systems away from d7- and man, i can tell ya, i felt the lag from it way the hell over there. On the killboards, i can tell you. no way we only got 15 kills. ~~~Famous for no particular Reason~~~
Bizarre	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:56:00 - [59] It's a known fact Kalened sucks at maths and discussing anything related to maths is pointless. I LOVE WOTANKN
Yuzier OA	Posted - 2006.03.19 23:57:00 - [60] Again i see jumped in on G/Iron ...5 had the courage

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