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Lina Theist
Rosendal Research and Development
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Posted - 2014.01.10 15:30:00 -
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The Thanatos is subpar to all other carriers. It is the only carrier which receives a bonus to something the ship is not really intended, and even at that it ties at a 4th place with the others, mainly because pale fighters in comparison to sentries, and IIRC the fighter damage bonus does not apply to assigned fighters.
A quick summary of the carriers:
Armor Tanking: Archon
Shield tanking: Chimera
Repping anything: Nidhoggur
Dealing fighter damage: Thanatos
Having any use whatsoever in an armor gang: Archon (nidhoggur)
Having any use whatsoever in a shield gang: Chimera (nidhoggur)
Before drones get reworked the bonus is null, and even after that it will still be a disappointment it will be far worse than its cousins at it's intended role.
If it for some reason has to be the "fighter"carrier, then consider reducing its mass for WH-use or increasing it's ship maint. bay so it at least excels at something. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:11:00 -
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as you say, the issue is with fighters, not the thanatos, so theoretically the thanatos could be fixed without even touching it.
Its also gets bonus points just for being gallente and looking awesome, so that's something. But yeah, it does currently have the least useful bonus, which is sad.
I hope CCP doesn't feel that just because they removed racial BS 5 that this isn't an issue for the thanatos owners out there.
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Lina Theist
Rosendal Research and Development
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Posted - 2014.01.10 16:23:00 -
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Batelle wrote:as you say, the issue is with fighters, not the thanatos, so theoretically the thanatos could be fixed without even touching it.
Its also gets bonus points just for being gallente and looking awesome, so that's something. But yeah, it does currently have the least useful bonus, which is sad.
I hope CCP doesn't feel that just because they removed racial BS 5 that this isn't an issue for the thanatos owners out there.
Even if they fix drones/fighters it will still have the least useful bonus. 25% extra damage wont do much good unless the base damage is high enough to begin with, unless paired with some flavor role bonus, like perhaps launching fighters while in triage. And if you ask me, fighters have not and should not have damage high enough to make 25% extra useful. |
Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.11 04:34:00 -
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If they applied that damage bonus to sentries also the ship would have a clear use |
Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
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Posted - 2014.01.11 05:15:00 -
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You argue that a 25% damage bonus to fighters wouldn't be enough, even if fighters were good, but the super meta belies your point. Supers have the same basic bonuses as Carriers, thus the nyx should be deeply unpopular, but quite the contrary, despite having a weaker tank, and no range bonus to energy transfers, the Nyx rivals the Aeon for most popular super, almost entirely because of that damage bonuses. If a carrier's fighter damage output actually mattered, you'd see a lot more love for the Thanatos. (I don't see it happening, the problems with fighters are so substantial that I doubt CCP is going to fix them any time soon) |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
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Posted - 2014.01.11 09:09:00 -
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Secret Squirrell wrote:despite having a weaker tank, and no range bonus to energy transfers, the Nyx rivals the Aeon for most popular super,
Because it looks so amazingly cool!!!
Other reasons? meh, who cares when it looks that good.  |
Lina Theist
Rosendal Research and Development
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Posted - 2014.01.11 13:03:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:If they applied that damage bonus to sentries also the ship would have a clear use
Is there anyone who actually wants the slowcat meta to stay? It would make the thanatos the winner at pve though, whatever that's worth.
Secret wrote:You argue that a 25% damage bonus to fighters wouldn't be enough, even if fighters were good, but the super meta belies your point. Supers have the same basic bonuses as Carriers, thus the nyx should be deeply unpopular, but quite the contrary, despite having a weaker tank, and no range bonus to energy transfers, the Nyx rivals the Aeon for most popular super, almost entirely because of that damage bonuses. If a carrier's fighter damage output actually mattered, you'd see a lot more love for the Thanatos. (I don't see it happening, the problems with fighters are so substantial that I doubt CCP is going to fix them any time soon)
25% is a lot of extra damage when you're up at 10k dps. But the primary problem is that carriers' primary role is not damage dealing, however that's the role of supers. Even if Supers could use triage modules, they would only be slightly better at it than normal carriers, so you probably wouldn't see many logistics supers. That's why Hel is by far the worst SC.
My point is that having a damage bonus on a logistic focused ship is worse than having split weapon systems, and vice versa as well. Sure it provides diversity, but at the expense of one overall useless ship. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
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Posted - 2014.01.11 16:59:00 -
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extending the 25% damage bonus to include drones would be good.
What about having drone mods (not skills) affect fighter performance?
"CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Lina Theist
Rosendal Research and Development
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Posted - 2014.01.11 20:34:00 -
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Batelle wrote:extending the 25% damage bonus to include drones would be good.
What about having drone mods (not skills) affect fighter performance?
I would definitely approve of some fighter drone improvement, like T2 fighters with secondary ewar utility or something. But damage mods for fighters would make the current SCs twice as deadly |
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