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Redge
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:32:00 -
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This freaking game is going to hell!!! I just read the patch notes, I don't mind all the damage mods and non stackable items but now they are adding all 4 Heavy Drone BP's to the market amongst other stuff. Why not just delete the market and trade channel and hand out BP's to everyone in the game? No one is going to be able to make a sale soon, there is no point to even playing the game anymore. What am I supposed to do? mine a bunch of minerals and make stuff to sit in my bay? This game is getting way out of hand. CCP's gotta stop this crap!! Small Corps like mine (20 members) can't compete with the larger Corps making ships, we don't have enough people to fulfill minerals orders, I made over 10 mill in a 4 hour day selling drones. Now I'm gonna have nothing. This isn't just me I'm complaining about. I know a few others going to quit the game because of some other changes they've made. See ya if I get online again. 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:37:00 -
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Redge,
CCP recently made labs kick out all BP's to prevent people making hundreds of "infinite" strength bpc's.
Heavy drone BP's are in such abundance because of those copies that I doubt introducing them onto the market will unhinge the market dynamics.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Slip Low
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:47:00 -
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Very nice sig. 
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Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:50:00 -
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Awwww, i want one of those sigs :/
You really would fall into the category " Forum Pimp" though, my dear Mr. Calvert. I would be happy to relieve you of your current title, but i fear competition is fierce :/
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TekRa
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Posted - 2003.09.10 20:51:00 -
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Will it matter with tech 2 coming soon(ish)?
I read somewhere tech1 items are meant to be things most people can produce, but tech2 will require more specilised skills, and items/minerals which will hopefully restrict the number of people who can produce them, or limit the amout being produced, who knows.
> With the lights out it's less dangerous. |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:04:00 -
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This freaking game is going to hell!!! I just read the patch notes, I don't mind all the damage mods and non stackable items but now they are adding all 4 Heavy Drone BP's to the market amongst other stuff. Why not just delete the market and trade channel and hand out BP's to everyone in the game? No one is going to be able to make a sale soon, there is no point to even playing the game anymore. What am I supposed to do? mine a bunch of minerals and make stuff to sit in my bay? This game is getting way out of hand. CCP's gotta stop this crap!! Small Corps like mine (20 members) can't compete with the larger Corps making ships, we don't have enough people to fulfill minerals orders, I made over 10 mill in a 4 hour day selling drones. Now I'm gonna have nothing. This isn't just me I'm complaining about. I know a few others going to quit the game because of some other changes they've made. See ya if I get online again.
I really wish they would kill the trade channel. It's the worst thing for the market ever.
And my corp is small. A whole 11 members. Yet we can gather the minerals for Tempest manufacturing. And we try to avoid mining whenever possible.
I'd suggest using the market instead of the trade channel. If you're making 10m off drone sales per day, then you're making more than enough to cover buying the minerals/ores from local miners.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Gafton
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:06:00 -
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Tekra is correct. If you've ever read the csm chats or dev blog, you'd know this. Besides the changes in equipment and ships lets people not get in a rut. They'll need to change their setup to become more effective. If you want to have a game stay the same from release it'l be a long time coming. All games change, it's part of life. Stop *****ing, and deal with the changes. And why would a 20 player corp be able to compete with a corp that's 3 times it's size? They'll have more people, more hours of play than you. Get a grip on reality.
Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. |
Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:10:00 -
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Tekra is correct. If you've ever read the csm chats or dev blog, you'd know this. Besides the changes in equipment and ships lets people not get in a rut. They'll need to change their setup to become more effective. If you want to have a game stay the same from release it'l be a long time coming. All games change, it's part of life. Stop *****ing, and deal with the changes. And why would a 20 player corp be able to compete with a corp that's 3 times it's size? They'll have more people, more hours of play than you. Get a grip on reality.
It sounds like greed is getting the better of him. A large corporation with a devoted mining division cannot be beaten head on. They can and always will outproduce smaller corporations. The way smaller corporations have a chance is through better accounting and hiring others to do the work. Buy orders for minerals. Steady production deals with other corporations. Steady mineral deals with smaller miner corps.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Ty'real D'Plague
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:16:00 -
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Where are the Patch Notes listed please ?
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Dell Boy
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:20:00 -
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I made over 10 mill in a 4 hour day selling drones. Now I'm gonna have nothing.
That's good isk but don't you think you were going to get bored of that sooner or later no matter how lucrative it was for you?
While I can sympathise with you on what I imagine might have been a serious BP investment you shouldn't put all of your eggs into one basket, something was going to change sooner or later. I guess you can either run away crying or be smart and find something else to sell that makes you good isk, I'll bet you get over this and choose the latter :)
The world's your lobster [Rodney].
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Zinke
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:31:00 -
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I went yesterday on market channel and there was over 400 people there all spamming long lines of their advertisement.
After a few minutes there I gave up trying to find out info on few things i needed.
I think that its good thing that new BPs are added to market as people will not need to be toruted by all the spam on market channel and will be able to build stuff themselves.
As you said you made 10 mill in 4 hours.
I never had that much isk and have been playing since beta.
You have to understand that what you had is oprtunity to raise capital that should have been invested into another, bigger project.
Instead of that you have decided to milk it out.
Now, milk is gone and you start whining.
This is very dynamic game and nobody should try to live from something in the past and from old glory.
Univers changes and so do people and if you are left behind its nobody's fault but yours.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:36:00 -
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Why would a small corp be able to compete with a large corp?
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Jorev
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:37:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
If heavy drone bps will be available on the market, then heavy drones should be listable on the market as well.
You can make more in the long run on volume from selling on the market at lower competitive prices with less effort and no lost opportunity cost of doing something else, than spamming the stupid trade channel or flying around as a traveling salesman.
The market is such a great tool, one of the best aspects of this game. I wish CCP would code all items to be listable on the market including pirate loot.
The cost of blueprints and the training time to raise all the associated manufacturing skills will still be prohibitive enough to keep competition low.
The solution to manufacturing woes is to nerf the bp copying ability completely.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:41:00 -
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As you said you made 10 mill in 4 hours.
I never had that much isk and have been playing since beta.
I have new players in MUC that are making that much in a weekend, after only being in the game a week or 2. Sounds like you need a career change... and were usually hiring.
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Erty
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Posted - 2003.09.10 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Erty on 10/09/2003 22:54:27
"Small Corps like mine (20 members) can't compete with the larger Corps making ships"
WHY oh why would a small corp make money as fast as a large corp? Even the thought is just so lame.
Why would I be able to beat Coca Cola if I started a soft drink company with my friends tomorrow?
It simply doesn't work like that.
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Dell Boy
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Posted - 2003.09.10 22:06:00 -
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WHY oh why would a small corp be as good as a large corp? The thought is just so lame.
Why would I be able to beat Coca Cola if I started a soft drink company with my friends tomorrow?
It simply doesn't work like that.
Possibly you didn't mean that the way you wrote it but I want to pick you up on that one word "Good"...
IMO, a good corp isn't necessarily one that's big and makes lots of isk, a good corp is one that you (in RL) enjoy being a part of and one that gives you an enjoyable gameplay experience.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.09.10 22:14:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
If heavy drone bps will be available on the market, then heavy drones should be listable on the market as well.
You can make more in the long run on volume from selling on the market at lower competitive prices with less effort and no lost opportunity cost of doing something else, than spamming the stupid trade channel or flying around as a traveling salesman.
The market is such a great tool, one of the best aspects of this game. I wish CCP would code all items to be listable on the market including pirate loot.
The cost of blueprints and the training time to raise all the associated manufacturing skills will still be prohibitive enough to keep competition low.
The solution to manufacturing woes is to nerf the bp copying ability completely.
Actually part of it is making copying what it was meant to be: A backup copy used for remote offices, manufacturing, or selling your research skills.
For that to happen, CCP needs to reinstitute the old system. 2 unlimited copies per original. Then the copies would have value to real manufacturers as a way to setup an office in Curse, for example, without risking their original Battleship bp to pirates. Blueprint copiers would still have their market but be severely restricted to how much they could do. 2 copies, then they'd have to buy another original and research it to sell more copies.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
cball
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Posted - 2003.09.10 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: cball on 10/09/2003 22:38:56
They could allow all npc drops to be sold on market, so we don't have to waste time in the spam/trade channel. It is a comlete joke.
...fear the evil monkey in your hanger...
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Redge
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Posted - 2003.09.10 22:37:00 -
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after reading everyone's thread, I know now I am a complete moron. lol I'll keep playing. Just get aggrivated when I finally do something and then something goes and changes it. I hate change. LOL
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Fartracker
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Posted - 2003.09.10 22:46:00 -
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Your ALL loosers 
EAT MY SHORTS!
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Skelator
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Posted - 2003.09.10 22:50:00 -
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Awwww, i want one of those sigs :/
You really would fall into the category " Forum Pimp" though, my dear Mr. Calvert. I would be happy to relieve you of your current title, but i fear competition is fierce :/
Heh Bet no one under the age of 30 can figure out my New Temporary Sig Pic.
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Skelator
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Posted - 2003.09.10 22:52:00 -
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Testing New Temp Sig hmm last post didnt apply :(
bet no-one under 30 can guess what it is
They have us Surrounded again.. the Poor Bastards |
Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.09.10 22:55:00 -
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I have new players in MUC that are making that much in a weekend, after only being in the game a week or 2.
I've been in the game just two weeks and I make about 5M per day providing my (relatively small) corp. with minerals for ship production.
Find other sources of income to rely on and you won't feel so aggitated when one of them falls through and becomes less lucrative.
Veruna Caseti
Ishukone |
Jorev
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Posted - 2003.09.10 23:26:00 -
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That would work Jash.
As it stands right now, people either sell bp copies or they manufacture. The bp copy sellers make way too easy money for hardly any work and could give a damn about manufacturing since they are in direct conflict with producing manufactured items for profit.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.10 23:32:00 -
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Yes, Calvert is a forum pimp as someone poited out. He spends his time posting petitions in regard to have my posts deleted. Most because I ask for him and his Corp. to prove their claims. They don't like that.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Klydor
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Posted - 2003.09.10 23:38:00 -
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The trade channel is too much trouble. It would be really nice to have an ingame classifieds where you can post adds under a set number of categories stating what you are selling, how many, what price and a limited addition notes.
Allow each character to post a limited number of free ads and charge for the rest at a good rate.
When the player sells something they can edit or delete their ad and post new ones.
This way you want to buy something you go look through the posts rather than waiting for someone to spam a link in the trade channel.
Extend the site and allow bidding for items in an auction and we're onto a winner. At least IMHO :)
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2003.09.10 23:48:00 -
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It is perfectly ok man
*hugs* 
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-"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
zeroh
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Posted - 2003.09.11 00:00:00 -
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This freaking game is going to hell!!! I just read the patch notes, I don't mind all the damage mods and non stackable items but now they are adding all 4 Heavy Drone BP's to the market amongst other stuff. Why not just delete the market and trade channel and hand out BP's to everyone in the game? No one is going to be able to make a sale soon, there is no point to even playing the game anymore. What am I supposed to do? mine a bunch of minerals and make stuff to sit in my bay? This game is getting way out of hand. CCP's gotta stop this crap!! Small Corps like mine (20 members) can't compete with the larger Corps making ships, we don't have enough people to fulfill minerals orders, I made over 10 mill in a 4 hour day selling drones. Now I'm gonna have nothing. This isn't just me I'm complaining about. I know a few others going to quit the game because of some other changes they've made. See ya if I get online again.
shut up
go out
kill a player get into the game
stop complaining
http://www.botoxbandits.net/evekill/index.php
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Myra Antares
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Posted - 2003.09.11 00:02:00 -
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Some trade. Look at ebay some loser is on there every night selling single-run BP copies of battleships. Whats he doing for the isk and market?
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.11 00:24:00 -
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Yeah, do some PvP. Whiner.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Sidus
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Posted - 2003.09.11 00:41:00 -
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Hi Skillz.
How are you today?
Can I get you anything to drink?
Maybe a comfy chair or something?
Just want to make you comfortable man. You just let me know if you need anything. Some milk and cookies, help with your algebra homework, a ride to the arcade, put the chain back on your bike... Anything... You just let me know.
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"Alle warten auf das Licht - f³rchtet euch f³rchtet euch nicht - die Sonne scheint mir aus den Augen - sie wird heut Nacht nicht untergehen - und die Welt zõhlt laut bis zehn"
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Ezra
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:36:00 -
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Redge,
CCP recently made labs kick out all BP's to prevent people making hundreds of "infinite" strength bpc's.
Heavy drone BP's are in such abundance because of those copies that I doubt introducing them onto the market will unhinge the market dynamics.
Good point.
How much time do heavy drone BPs take copy?
All of the light/medium drones take only an hour or so per 1500-run copy. At least with missles, copy time is constant and not linked to class of missle. (All take 1h4min for me to copy, from light missle up to torpedo). So I'm guessing that the owners of heavy drone originals have been churning out 1 copy every hour too. The number of unlimited heavy drone copies is so great that I don't think we'll see the release of originals to the market make any difference. Same with the "copy nerf" not doing anything for existing ship markets - The damage was already done, and CCP never bothered to fix the underlying flaws in the market (lack of product differentiation within a tech level) instead.
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Chucky
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Posted - 2003.09.11 14:56:00 -
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This freaking game is going to hell!!! I just read the patch notes, I don't mind all the damage mods and non stackable items but now they are adding all 4 Heavy Drone BP's to the market amongst other stuff. Why not just delete the market and trade channel and hand out BP's to everyone in the game? No one is going to be able to make a sale soon, there is no point to even playing the game anymore. What am I supposed to do? mine a bunch of minerals and make stuff to sit in my bay? This game is getting way out of hand. CCP's gotta stop this crap!! Small Corps like mine (20 members) can't compete with the larger Corps making ships, we don't have enough people to fulfill minerals orders, I made over 10 mill in a 4 hour day selling drones. Now I'm gonna have nothing. This isn't just me I'm complaining about. I know a few others going to quit the game because of some other changes they've made. See ya if I get online again.
Gee.... now you know how ship builders felt after people flooded the market with infinite copies. Alot of big corps had infinite copies of heavydrones any ways. This is the least influncational change in this build and your whining about it. I really like them to release miner 2 bpÆs to corn hole the *****s making 20000% profit. Quit your whining!
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.11 15:08:00 -
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Hi Skillz.
How are you today?
Can I get you anything to drink?
Maybe a comfy chair or something?
Just want to make you comfortable man. You just let me know if you need anything. Some milk and cookies, help with your algebra homework, a ride to the arcade, put the chain back on your bike... Anything... You just let me know.
watch it ... he has l337 $killz ... 
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Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?"
Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't"
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.09.11 15:56:00 -
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Skillz has an BSc in matematics so thanks but no thanks. I don't need your help in linear algebra or anything else b0rks like you do in public schools.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.11 15:57:00 -
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Skillz has an BSc in matematics so thanks but no thanks. I don't need your help in linear algebra or anything else b0rks like you do in public schools.
WHOA....
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Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?"
Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't"
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Sidus
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Posted - 2003.09.11 16:28:00 -
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Skillz has an BSc in matematics so thanks but no thanks. I don't need your help in linear algebra or anything else b0rks like you do in public schools.
Their so cute when their little...
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"Alle warten auf das Licht - f³rchtet euch f³rchtet euch nicht - die Sonne scheint mir aus den Augen - sie wird heut Nacht nicht untergehen - und die Welt zõhlt laut bis zehn"
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Redge
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Posted - 2003.09.11 16:43:00 -
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OK, I guess everyone missed my second post. I quit whining so you can all stop telling me to stop now. Must have been my time of the month or something. I really love the game and no way am I going to quit. Sorry I ever started this thread, can someone please delete it? 
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Daesdemona
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Posted - 2003.09.11 16:45:00 -
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I cannot believe this... you have my utmost respect for taking responsibility for your actions...
to everyone: this is having *******.
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Bart: "Do you even have a job any more?"
Homer: "I think its obvious that I Don't"
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CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2003.09.11 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 11/09/2003 16:59:10
as in in real life small corps wll die or join biger ones..
BTW: stfu... new lev 2 items is the future so they give lev 1 BP away...
if you stay at lev 1 you will die... so dont
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BadIronTree Head of Production
CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003:
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