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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:12:00 -
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lol this should be fun 
2 months into the game this is my take on things, MY take so feel free to flame but this is just things as i see them:
All the money and action is in 0.0
All of 0.0 is 'owned' by clans or alliances
Gates out to 0.0 tend to be major bottlenecks
So please tell me what is a newish player supposed to do?
join an alliance? Not going to happen: need numbers or ISK. Difficult to make a decision about an alliance when you cant get close enough to find out about them.
join a corp? Great, so i get to leave the people I know and join a random corp. Thats ace. Same applies as above, they could be public enemy no.1 in 0.0 but how do you find out without being there?
I have taken a shuttle into 0.0 three times to make instas so i can get my BC/BS in and have some FUN!!
Three times i have been taken out in a mobile warp disrupt because I do not have a little blue square in my icon.
Please add some extra gates. Logistically these should realistically be easy enough for any large alliance to police whilst allowing the occasional n00b like me through to make things go BOOM!
The stats are something like 3 players to every system in EVE so there should be plenty of room for me to got ratting in 0.0
The issue seems to be actually getting there.
Seems to me that the game is entirely geared towards those that have been playing for a year or more and while i dont have a problem with this I would appreciate a bit of thought from CCP for those of us falling through the gaps.
enjoy 
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NestcePas
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:18:00 -
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I have no problem to get in-and-out of 0.0 space. There is plenty systems not being taken by alliances. And as an add-on: when you are IN 0.0 space, you don't NEED protective alliances to bust you up... Plenty freelancers around for the job.
Besides, why do you think the money and the riches are all in 0.0 space? I make more money then I can realistically spend, most of it from low-sec, not 0.0
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:22:00 -
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The only advantage you have as a local is the local pirate/enemy comms channel, other than that, you are just as vulnerable as a neutral/not-blue as you are if you are an alliance member (true for a lot of space). You realistically need 2 accounts, one an alt in the-place-to-be for gate camps, the other your main. The former scouts for the latter. No reason you should be killed at all if you take care and use patience.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.21 16:25:00 -
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Or worded another way...
Dear CCP,
Please can I have all the benefits of 0.0 without interacting with others?
I want the ISK that comes from killing the best npc's and mining the juiciest roids. Thing is, I dont want to join a group of players and earn my right to be there.
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Gretchen Dawntreader
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:12:00 -
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0.0 doesn't belong to you or anyone except to the extent that you can blow me up for not leaving.
Access to entire portions of the game world shouldn't be decided by whether I join the right clubs or play nicey nicey with the right people who reward me with the benevolent gift of momentarily not exploding.
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Gretchen Dawntreader
Access to entire portions of the game world shouldn't be decided by whether I join the right clubs or play nicey nicey with the right people who reward me with the benevolent gift of momentarily not exploding.
thank you 
A lot of fair points but I would be interested to see the response from people around my chars age - two to four months.
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D'onryu Shoqui
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:17:00 -
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make it so there is 1 hub system that connects all 0.0 together 
seriously every alliance would have to go threw it ,so would every other person wanting to go 0.0 ! its a win win situation until the pirates start whining like the little *****es they are because they keep getting spanked 
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:19:00 -
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Dear CCP, can you make all systems to 0.0 please?
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dear CCP, can you make all systems to 0.0 please?
Problem solved!
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dear CCP, can you make all systems to 0.0 please?
Problem solved!
CCP should hire me as one of their Devs, what does the community think?  
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dear CCP, can you make all systems to 0.0 please?
Problem solved!
CCP should hire me as one of their Devs, what does the community think?
ohnoes....
anyway, on topic (as if  ), i think that maybe a couple more (not many, maybe another one per border region) gates should be added from low sec into 0.0, just to make travel slightly freer.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gretchen Dawntreader
Access to entire portions of the game world shouldn't be decided by whether I join the right clubs or play nicey nicey with the right people who reward me with the benevolent gift of momentarily not exploding.
Well, (aside from this not being the actual case) imo it should.
It's called players grouping into factions. And it's responsible for alot of the content we create as a community.
So yes, if your effectivity in 0.0 to some extent relies on interacting with other people in the area that is actually a good thing.
And that's also how it is isn't it ?
I mean, getting into 0.0 is easy enough. And a few more or less entrances won't change that much either. Getting there is only half the work you see, and seeing how so much of this games' content relies on players creating their own factions in 0.0, how do you propose to combine your wish for interactionless access and usability of said space with the wish of CCP and alot of other players for one that requires interaction on the other hand ?
Player age has only so much to do with this. The rest is basic tradeoff between empowering players to influence others and letting them do their own thing without that influence.
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Montague Zooma on 21/03/2006 17:29:36
Well, I've been playing for about 8 months and have been in 0.0 for almost two months now. You don't have to join another corp or alliance in order to get out there. But you will need to negotiate with other players and do a little homework to get "safe" passage.
From my own experience, I'd say a character only two months old shouldn't really be in 0.0 anyway unless you're part of a corp or group that's active out there. If you're just going out on your own, low sec space should be challenging enough for you at this point. It was for me, anyway.
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Montague Zooma
But you will need to negotiate with other players and do a little homework to get "safe" passage.
From my own experience, I'd say a character only two months old shouldn't really be in 0.0 anyway unless you're part of a corp or group that's active out there. If you're just going out on your own, low sec space should be challenging enough for you at this point.
Again a fair post however:
its difficult to negotiate with someone that is just blowing up every ship they see that doesnt have a blue square. Convincing them im not a spy may be even harder.
As to the low sec, I currently rat in 0.1: clusters of 3 cruisers and 2 frigs are not even taking me past 33-50% shield. They are worth 200k a pop for cruisers but im pretty sure i could give much bigger rats a run for their money.
Ive had a Raven for 3 weeks now and am just waiting on a couple of skills to finish before im prepared to fly it
Personally i agree with the poster that said all space should be 0.0 that would suit me just fine.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2006.03.21 17:55:00 -
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Yes, it can be difficult to negotiate with an alliance when they are busy shooting you, but in most cases those that are shooting you aren't the ones to be speaking to. What you need to do is find out who owns the space you want to go to (check this thread to see) and then go check their info/site/forums about who you need to talk to so that you can get safe passage into their space, or at least be allowed to operate there.
If that fails, buy a set of instas for that region, and hope for the best. If your whole corp wants to go down, you can all chip in the money if needed to buy them. Once you have that, getting in and out of the space is as easy as waiting till a slightly quieter time to travel, normally a bit after DT. Once you're there, its reasonably easy to survive.
PS: Oh and don't forget to ask around to see if the region has NPC or controlled stations, as the controlled ones will likely not let you dock, which would be pretty bad for you hmm?
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Laythun
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:00:00 -
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so you want all the benefits of 0.0 with none of the risk or interaction? you want it all handed to you on a plate because your new?
worst idea ever
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n
its difficult to negotiate with someone that is just blowing up every ship they see that doesnt have a blue square. Convincing them im not a spy may be even harder.
True, it's impossible to negotiate when you're being podded. However, you can send evemail to those that blew you up and politely inquire as to whether there's any way you can gain access to their space. If not, then try another region. Read the alliance forums to get a handle on who might be more open to allowing outsiders into their territory...I did the homework and it worked for me.
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As to the low sec, I currently rat in 0.1: clusters of 3 cruisers and 2 frigs are not even taking me past 33-50% shield. They are worth 200k a pop for cruisers but im pretty sure i could give much bigger rats a run for their money.
Ive had a Raven for 3 weeks now and am just waiting on a couple of skills to finish before im prepared to fly it
You may be able to handle the NPCs, but can you handle the players? And taking on a couple of NPC battleships is much more difficult than taking on a few cruisers.
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:10:00 -
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i can see i am an exception.
I didnt get podded at all, just lost 3 shuttles
The players are not a problem, like most newbs I am forced to wear a few stabs in my low slots. I have yet to get caught out, im always aligned and if the choice is going to safe then leaving system and teh cost is a few drones and some loot i didnt pick up then so be it.
Besides i always use bog standard gear and since im not at TII quite yet shipwise the insurance more than covers everything.
I think i started this thread more because i feel pushed into a corner. I make roughly the same ISK mining or ratting and the only way i think i can expand my game now is to follow the logical step and go further out. I feel the barriers in my way to doing this could be alieviated by more routes out into deep space.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gretchen Dawntreader
0.0 doesn't belong to you or anyone except to the extent that you can blow me up for not leaving.
Access to entire portions of the game world shouldn't be decided by whether I join the right clubs or play nicey nicey with the right people who reward me with the benevolent gift of momentarily not exploding.
Why not?
Give me one good reason in the context of Eve why "Access to entire portions of the game world shouldn't be decided by whether I join the right clubs..."??
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Give me one good reason in the context of Eve why "Access to entire portions of the game world shouldn't be decided by whether I join the right clubs..."??
thats fine if CCP are totally happy with their current player base numbers.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:19:00 -
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As for the original post, you're just not doing your homework or approaching it in the right way. there are ways and means but they require you to expend some effort.
We had numerous more gates to 0.0 introduced about a six months to a year ago (can't remember the exact date or patch that did it) so the situation regarding routes into 0.0 has already been improved once.
It's really not the number of routes into 0.0 that is the issue.
Have a read of this I wrote it about a year ago now and it still holds true in the main.
There's a lot of scaremongering about how dangerous 0.0 space is and how difficult to access. It's not as bad as people would have you believe but you do have to do your homework properly before trying it.
Having said that a 2 month old character stands a good chance of getting minced by NPC's in 0.0 space never mind getting shot by the local inhabitants., so don't be in too much of a rush
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Rellik B00n on 21/03/2006 18:25:49
thx for the blog link, good info.
it doesnt change my main point however: if you take out all the options from teh blog that i mentioned in the original post then i did the right thing:
Took a small fast ship i didnt mind losing out there, and 3 different times into 3 different areas of 0.0 i got ganked in it. (edit: got ganked ALMOST as soon as i entered 0.0)
I guess its a case of leave or adapt. I either leave a long history of solo play in pvp and take the plunge into a random corp, or i stay in empire forever.
fair enough
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n
Edited by: Rellik B00n on 21/03/2006 18:25:49
thx for the blog link, good info.
it doesnt change my main point however: if you take out all the options from teh blog that i mentioned in the original post then i did the right thing:
Took a small fast ship i didnt mind losing out there, and 3 different times into 3 different areas of 0.0 i got ganked in it. (edit: got ganked ALMOST as soon as i entered 0.0)
I guess its a case of leave or adapt. I either leave a long history of solo play in pvp and take the plunge into a random corp, or i stay in empire forever.
fair enough
Well at least you're clear on your options
Good luck.
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Zaphroid Eulthran
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:32:00 -
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the problem isnt with getting into 00,
the problem isnt with surviving in 00
the problem isnt with interacting with other players
the problem is with the people who claim a godlike ownership of everything they see requiring anyone else to bend over and kiss their a** so as not to be killed on their will and their will alone
thankyou and goodnight.
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Shivran
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:34:00 -
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What 0.0 region are you trying to get into? Theres numerous jump points into 0.0 and you should be able to get in relativley easily if you avoid heavily traveled routes and travel at times other than peak hours.
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Viktor Fyretracker
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:34:00 -
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i cant really see how less or zero chokepoints in general could ever be bad. just forces those who want to own space to use patrols. and makes things more fun for those in that said space as they avoid said patrols.
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Avon
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:37:00 -
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Whilst insta-jumps exist, adding entry points to 0.0 will have a minimal effect.
If you want to survive and prosper in 0.0 you really need to consider working with people, not against them.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zaphroid Eulthran
the problem isnt with getting into 00,
the problem isnt with surviving in 00
the problem isnt with interacting with other players
the problem is with the people who claim a godlike ownership of everything they see requiring anyone else to bend over and kiss their a** so as not to be killed on their will and their will alone
thankyou and goodnight.
thanks for the chuckle and welcome to Eve
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Rellik B00n
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Posted - 2006.03.21 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Whilst insta-jumps exist, adding entry points to 0.0 will have a minimal effect.
If you want to survive and prosper in 0.0 you really need to consider working with people, not against them.
Thats fair enough as well, research into the various corps and alliances has started.
I would add that i had already sorted an insta back out of the system, the mobile generators were set up while i moved a few jumps in making BMs. As soon as a generator is set up i guess instas are a moot point really? what good is being able to hit the gate straight off if you just fall out of warp when you hit the bubble?
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.03.21 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Zysco on 21/03/2006 20:30:43
Petition inc have like 6 active members. We live in 0.0 and are hostile with everyone. Stop being lazy.
Theres multiple entrances to every region, and none of them are camped 23/7.
Getting into 0.0 is easy. Surviving in 0.0 is easy. Thinking apparently is not.
callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe.
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